Marechal Niel
Ray Warner
research into compiling an historical dissertation regarding the origins
of Daffodil and Tulip cultivars we have come across a reference to the
Marechal Niel Tulip bearing a scent reminiscent of the rose of the same
name. Our question is, who was Marechal Niel? Your assistance would be
greatly appreciated, and if we may, information on the following
individuals would be greatly appreciated.
Edward Buxton
Laurens Koster
Mr Van der Hoeff
Paul Crampel
Phillipe de Comines
Ray Warner
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BCD
> [...] Our question is, who was Marechal Niel?
***French general, and minister of war under Napoleon III.
> Your assistance would be
> greatly appreciated, and if we may, information on the following
> individuals would be greatly appreciated. [ . . . ]
> Phillipe de Comines
***French statesman, favored by Charles the Bold of Burgundy. Lived
1447?-1511?. Perhaps best known because of his memoirs.
Best Wishes,
--BCD.
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Ray Warner
Many thanks.
Ed Wilkinson
> ...information on the following
> individuals would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Paul Crampel
I don't know who Paul Crampel was, but the bedding "geranium"
(pelargonium) named for him was famous at the turn of the century, and
in fact ubiquitous in European parks; I suspect that, like the polyantha
rose 'Paul Crampel' (1930), a tulip might be named 'Paul Crampel' to
suggest that it had the same "geranium-red" color as the pelargonium.
Likewise a 'Maréchal Niel' tulip would presumably ride on the coattails
of the popularity of the 'Maréchal Niel' rose, the most famous yellow
rose of its day and a luxury item at the flower-shop.
Best,
Ed Wilkinson
edwil...@juno.com
dhs
the military, and was made war minister in 1867 by Napoleon III. He
reorganized the whole military. The rose dates form 1864, and seems to have
been the most famous rose of the time. (He has a street named after him in
Paris). I don't know why a yellow rose would have been named after hime,
except that he was a famous man! I dont think his military costume would
have been yellow, but that might be a reason!
See Brent Dickerson's book "The Old Rose Adviser" for more info on this. He
has a full page on this rose!
Best Lisa in MA
"Ray Warner" <rwa...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in article
<Ex0op...@cix.compulink.co.uk>...
> I wonder if any of your subscribers may be able to assist. As part of our
> research into compiling an historical dissertation regarding the origins
> of Daffodil and Tulip cultivars we have come across a reference to the
> Marechal Niel Tulip bearing a scent reminiscent of the rose of the same
> name. Our question is, who was Marechal Niel? Your assistance would be
> greatly appreciated, and if we may, information on the following
> individuals would be greatly appreciated.
>
Ray Warner
Wilkinson) wrote:
> Ray Warner wrote:
>
> > ...information on the following
> > individuals would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Paul Crampel
>
> I don't know who Paul Crampel was, but the bedding "geranium"
> (pelargonium) named for him was famous at the turn of the century, and
> in fact ubiquitous in European parks; I suspect that, like the polyantha
> rose 'Paul Crampel' (1930), a tulip might be named 'Paul Crampel' to
> suggest that it had the same "geranium-red" color as the pelargonium.
>
> Likewise a 'Maréchal Niel' tulip would presumably ride on the coattails
> of the popularity of the 'Maréchal Niel' rose, the most famous yellow
> rose of its day and a luxury item at the flower-shop.
>
>
> Best,
> Ed Wilkinson
> edwil...@juno.com
Thanks for yoy help Ed, with so many things named after him. you would
think he was someone famous!
Ray Warner
(dhs) wrote:
> > greatly appreciated, and if we may, information on the following
> > individuals would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Edward Buxton
> > Laurens Koster
> > Mr Van der Hoeff
> > Paul Crampel
> > Phillipe de Comines
> >
> >
> > Ray Warner
> > For Thomas Etty Esq. Heritage Seedsman & Bulb Merchant
> > email for details of latest catalogue
> > web site http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~nfarley/thomas.etty/etty.html
> >
many thanks for your help - much appreciated
TLIG...@concentric.net
Ed Wilkinson wrote in message <35C4B1...@sprintmail.com>...
>Ray Warner wrote:
>
>> ...information on the following
>> individuals would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>Paul Crampel the polyantha rose was very significant variety in it's day.
I'm told that it was either the first or one of the first deep
orange-colored polys. The color of the bloom apparently caused Paul Crampel
to make quite a slash when it came out.
We got our plant in the SJHRG fro the late, great Ellen Leloy . Her one
plant was apparently the only one left on "this side of the water". She
waxed eloquent to me about how unique and important it was in it's day.
Countless people walk right by our plant in the garden, and rarely take note
of poor Paul.
My, how quickly some fads and varieties fade away. That's why botanical
collections exist; someone has to grow the flowsy, the blowsy, the mildewy,
the forgotten and the historically and geneticaly important.
Tom.