How did everybody get started with their rose hobby?
Emil
Out of curiosity...How did everybody start with their hobby, more like a
passion :-) of roses? Did you learn by watching parents plant roses? Is
growing roses your occupation, any of you own a nursery? Etc. Etc.
As for me, when we bought our first house a couple of years ago, we bought 4
roses. Everytime we went to the nursery, we came home with more and more
roses. Final count at our old house was close to 35 rose bushes that I
planted from bareroots.
So what's everybody story?
Emil
saki
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> Hi group,
>
> Out of curiosity...How did everybody start with their hobby, more like
> a passion :-) of roses? Did you learn by watching parents plant roses?
> Is growing roses your occupation, any of you own a nursery? Etc. Etc.
The short version (I hope it's short):
My mother always grew roses but they were gangly, raggedy HTs so I never
paid much attention to them.
In late high school I got the gardening bug (I'm a Capricorn---we like to
dig in the dirt anyway); found that seed catalogs could be gotten *for
free*, wrote away for about forty of them just because I could afford
them (Caps like free stuff too).
Found out about one catalog that costs the enormous sum of one dollar,
from Roses of Yesterday & Today, decided to spring for it because the
subject matter looked antiquy and such. Found out that there were a class
of roses that made your mind bend; instead of calm, cool closed buds you
had to get used to fully-open blossoms and even (heaven forfend) roses
that only bloomed once. Bought a few (Mme. Hardy, Jacques Cartier, etc.)
and was blown away by their fragrance and style.
Joined the Royal Horticulture Society, went to the Chelsea Flower show,
got hooked by Austins in 1979, determined to get 'Perdita' despite that
fact that there were no Austins here at the time....
Never really lost the bug, it just grew quietly over time. And now, in
full circle, a local rosarian has reintroduced me to HTs and I'm learning
to speak their language at last.
The end. :-)
----
sa...@ucla.edu
Radika Kesavan
> Hi group,
Hello, Emil.
> Out of curiosity...How did everybody start with their hobby, more
> like a passion :-) of roses? Did you learn by watching parents plant
> roses?
Bred in the bones :-).
> Is growing roses your occupation, any of you own a nursery? Etc. Etc.
No, never, I am not a Rosarian, but just a person who loves to grow roses.
--
Radika
California
USDA 9 / Sunset 15
Mike
Hi Emil,
My Dad has always had an incredible green thumb. I can remember when I was
a kid the neighbors always complimenting him on his roses. He can dig up
wildflowers and transplant them without them showing any signs of shock.
He never kills a plant. So I've always been interested in gardening, but I
stayed away from the roses at first because I thought they were difficult
and demanding.
When I moved into this house there was an Oklahoma and a couple minis stuck
in the grass right out in front. They were looking pretty sad. I think the
realtor had plopped them into the ground because there were no other
plantings and she figured having a few blooms out there would help sell the
place. Instead of tearing them out, I tried to save them and babied them
and they started looking better. I still had the attitude that roses were
difficult, though.
The second year I was here, the Antique Rose Emporium catalog showed up in
the mail and I found out about OGR's and ordered several. I then had my
curiosity going about roses and started looking into them. I found out I
really liked the OGR's and they weren't so hard to grow. I then ordered
several David Austin roses and found out they either liked me or were also
not that difficult. I also thought they were so beautiful that I could not
live without them. Then I had a brief period of insanity when I would order
every rose I saw that appealed to me. I have since found I have much better
luck with Austins and OGR's than the hybrid teas.
I think I must be on every mailing list related to roses. A large
percentage of my bookmarks are websites that are in some way or another
related to roses. I don't think I have bought anything new for the garden
that wasn't a rose in the last couple years. Nothing beats the satisfaction
of growing beautiful roses. I am officially obsessed.
Mike
z8TX
Gail Futoran
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That's a fun question, Emil. I suppose I've always
liked roses but had avoided them because I heard
they were hard to grow. Then we moved into
our present home about 8 years ago and it came
with a small rose bed. I cared for it, learned about
roses, killed a few, but still wasn't "hooked" on
roses until I got the idea to create a theme rose
bed, based on a TV show I was obsessed with.
The "Xena Warrior Princess" rose bed started
with 16 roses in a circular pattern. Roses were
chosen to represent different characters. E.g.,
Caesar's rose is Royal Amethyst, Hercules's rose
is Peace, Ares's rose is Intrigue. (Others are not
historical characters or well-known mythical
characters so I won't bore non-Xena fans with
their names.)
Once that process was completed, I was able
to plan beds based on color, and eventually
branched out into old garden roses. I now
have between 135 and 140 roses and love
them all, even the "non-Xena" roses. :)
Gail
San Antonio TX Zone 8
Kirra
I guess my story is similar to yours. While my mother had a couple of roses
when I was young that I used to love picking, it wasn't until we signed the
contract on our first home (just over a year ago) that I became interested
in gardening for myself. The house had very little in the way of gardens and
what was there was overgrown. In the month and a half wait before we could
move into the house, we had already accumulated at least six roses in pots
and some other plants for our new garden. Like yourself, it seemed that each
time I went to the nursery I came back with a new rose.
Our land area is quite small so I only have 13 HT/Floribundas/Climbers and
the rest of the crew (14) are miniature/patio roses in pots in the courtyard
out the back. I have also found that the more I read of what everyone else
has/likes in this newsgroup, the more roses I am sure that I need to find
space for :)
Kirra
Brisbane, Australia
Z10
Bob Bauer
>Out of curiosity...How did everybody start with their hobby, more like a
>passion :-) of roses?
I wouldn't call it a hobby..... more like a sickness..... heh heh
(Long) Downward slide story follows:
I have always been a gardener since I was a little kid (I'm 51 now),
but mostly what I would grow would be lots of veggies and annual
flowers and maybe bulbs.
Never had much of a yard living in the city as I do, but I always grew
something. Fast Forward to 1994. I bought an old corner drugstore
building and a year later the vacant lot next door. Then I decided I
wanted a real garden so I rented a large Front End loader and dug up
the large parking lot and put in a couple of veggie beds and 6 foot
cedar fences. The veggie beds only took up one corner of the property
(The building and land is about 1/2 acre). So during the winter of
1996/7 I decided to put in a large perennial garden.
I knew nothing of perennials, so I went to the garden centers and home
stores and bought 3 to 5 of every single thing I could get my hands
on. I built a bunch of raised beds and put in the perennials. Among
the perennials were 4 rose bushes. I new little of roses, so I chose
the varieties as follows: A red one, a yellow one, an orange one and
a red and white one with good scent. Later in mid summer I added a
creamy white and pink blend one, a yellow pink and white one that
smelled great and a purple one.
As the season wore on, I kept finding myself going back and checking
on each rose every day. I learned their names. I gave a couple of
them nicknames. (My first seven: Gypsy, Golden Fantasie, Arizona,
Double Delight, Charles Aznavour, Summer Fashion and Lagerfeld). I
quickly learned that if you deadhead them they will bloom again and I
religiously did so. By the end of the season I knew I wanted more. I
needed RESEARCH!
I checked the web, and the newsgroups and discovered an earlier
incarnation of this very newsgroup that was quite a bit more active
than it is now. Fall of 97 through Spring of 98 was spent reading all
messages on this group plus a few rose books. The instant the 'bare
root in a bag's showed up I was there, and no rose was too lousy for
me to want. But I did show some restraint and while meaning only to
get at most 20 more that year I ended up with like.....60.
I needed more beds so I expanded into my vacant lot area...... but
there was plenty more room for......next year's roses '99
season.....when I bought another 70 and then got another 25 when a big
public garden was pulled out here.
The course of events was set... one year led to another and by the
time the dust settles in mid summer here in '03 I will have about 380
or more varieties. And yes I have run out of space.
I now have a library of about 40 rose books and have read more,
(including some older and obscure tomes) .....I've looked at hundreds
of rose web sites and spent thousands of hours growing, reading about,
photographing, writing about, building web sites and talking about
Roses, roses and more roses.
I consider my rose education to have started beginning that first year
on rec.gardens.roses in the winter of 1997/98.......my freshman year
of rose college. I now consider myself to be in rose graduate school
just finishing up my Master's this season. And next year to start
working on my PhD in roses.... (Piled higher and Deeper)......... heh
heh
Bob Bauer
Zone 6 in Salt Lake City
http://www.rose-roses.com/
dave weil
My story begins 2 1/2 years ago when I bought my current house. There
was a big impressive rose bush in the front yard, and several other
roses next to the house. When the big bush (my Aloha) bloomed for the
first time, I was hooked. The other roses looked pretty good as
well...
So, I decided to continue the theme as well as try to learn about the
ones that I already had. I'm only up to about 25 roses, which I think
is just about appropriate for my lot, and I think that 25 -30 is a
good comfort zone for me.
I used to be into orchids but I just couldn't provide the proper
environment for them...
dave
Cass
> Out of curiosity...How did everybody start with their hobby, more like a
> passion :-) of roses? Did you learn by watching parents plant roses? Is
> growing roses your occupation, any of you own a nursery? Etc. Etc.
My family have been gardeners for many generations, with stories going
back to my grandmother gardening with *her* grandfather. I had my own
garden from the time I was 5 YO.
We bought this home 9 years ago on a sunny, windy knoll, completely
unlandscaped. That's when the rose thing struck, around the same time I
retired. My landscaper suggested there was a good location for a rose
garden, and I started buying books and asking questions here. Heh heh.
That was 214 roses ago.
Because of the rigors of my site, I started out looking for bomb proof,
wind proof roses, and I've never changed that objective. I was
irretrievably hooked when the first roses I planted, a hybrid musk,
Iceberg, an Austin and a rugosa, took off and grew like weeds.
--
-=-
Cass
Zone 9 San Francisco Bay Area
http://home.attbi.com/~cassbernstein/index.html
Susan H. Simko
> So what's everybody story?
Great idea! Thanks!
My paternal grandmother and maternal great grandmother were avid
gardeners and i used to help in their gardens. After my parents
divorce, we never owned another home again when I lived at home so I
never had the opportunity for a garden until I loved out on my home. I
indulged in my first rose then - a chicago peace - and she bloomed
beautifully in southwest PA. However, I knew *nothing* about gardening
or plants. I think I simply believed that if you planted something, it
would *just* grow but roses were always the Queen of Plants to me.
After I moved down here and my ex-husband and I bought a house, I tried
to plant roses again. Silly me, put the roses under the trees next to
my pond. Dead roses *real* quick. Then, I bought some houseplants -
dead houseplants real quick again. At this point the belief that I was
born to kill plants happened. Never did the thought cross my mind that
it was a totally tree lined lot with a completely shaded house and
*just* perhaps the full sun plants I was buying were inappropriate for
the area.
Fast forward to six years ago - my stepfather who raised me and I adored
died after a long bout with leukemia. Fuqua sent a peace lily to the
funeral and my mother gave it to me to take home. I was terrified but
became determined that I *had* to keep this plant alive. Research mode
finally set in. *grin*
When my s.o. and I bought our house two years ago, one of the reasons we
bought it was for the lot placement and the amount of light in the
house. Gardening passion set its hooks into me as soon as we finished
the interior of the house and I've not looked back since.
Gardening is my therapy these days. My family is going through an
incredibly tough time the last couple of months and nothing makes me
feel better than to be able to get out into the garden for the day.
Susan
s h simko at duke dot edu
Susan Solomon
in a 100-yr old farmhouse on the southwestern Iowa plains (zone 5 - ends of
the earth). The previous owners had a number of tough flowering shrubs and
trees around the house; one of them was a little sulfur-yellow semidouble
rose with tiny leaves and twiggy branches and a rather unpleasant smell that
became covered in golden yellow blooms in spring. That became "my" rose; it
was just about as tall as me. Sometimes I couldn't wait for the buds to
open, so I "helped" them by prying them open!
That little rose bloomed faithfully with no protection, no fertilizer,
nothing - and had probably survived for nearly 100 years. But when my
parents decided to build a new house, my rose was bulldozed one day when I
was at school. I was heartbroken. (My first heartbreak with roses! Many more
to come!)
Now, even though I love and grow contemporary HTs and some Austins, I'd
still like to find that little old yellow rose ...
Sue in SoCal
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Heather
Rose) and I loved the way the garden smelled and looked. Ever since I was a
small child I can remeber running and playing through the garden with my
siblings and cousins and would like to create something like that for my
future generations to enjoy. Really I have been hooked on roses since I was
a small child.
Heather
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Debabrata Ghosh
When I was a kid, my uncle bought me a couple of roses. I followed his
instructions about fertilizing etc. religiously, and, boy, that first
bloom was something! Alas, when the summer came (back home in India,
the mild winter is the time whne you grow roses), the grafted variety
died, and the suckers was all that was left. I did not pursue the
hobby any more after that. So, when I moved into Portland, the Rose
City, I thought it was time to get back a part of my childhood...
Debu.
P.S. Last year, I took 5 roses (Double Delight, Mr. Lincoln, New
Zealand, Dolly Parton, Secret) for that uncle of mine. So far they
have been doing great. I also gave him some water-absorbing polymer so
that the plants don't get dry in the summer. Just keeping my fingers
crossed...
Jane Lumley
My grandfather grew roses and they were HTs, though I remember folloiwng
him aroudn while he sprayed them with a brass sprayer; and my parents
never dreamed of growing anything so high-maintenance.
Then (because I like the Bloomsberries) someone gave me a collection of
Vita Sackville West's garden writings, illustrated, and I thought 'what
are these amazing flowers that look like something in a Dutch still
life?'' For a while I just looked at other people's at Hidcote and
Sissinghurst and the like, but eventually I bought my first one -
'Roseraie de L'Hay', and to my amazement, it didn't die (though in fact
I didn't water it enough, didn't mulch it, and never fed it, so it's odd
that it didn't.)
From then I was hooked, and now I have sixty-five roses, nearly all pre
1945, though like you I've lately accepted the odd modern rose - of good
family, of course! - into my paradise. I still like HTs only in very
formal gardens, though, and mine is all cottagey-mixed.
--
Jane Lumley
Bob Bauer
wrote:
>Now, I'd
>still like to find that little old yellow rose ...
>Sue in SoCal
Well Sue, today is your lucky day, the rose you are describing is
definitely 'Rosa foetida persiana'. From the semi double small
yellow bloom form to the small leaves, large bush size and the smell.
(Foetid.... as in Rosa foetida).
You can get this rose in a ton of places, so go ahead and buy it now.
Good luck,
Bob Bauer
Tracy Lorraine Smith
the house dedicated to roses. They were there when we moved in,
and still there three years later when we moved out, my dad took
great care of them. I've just always loved the look and especially
the SMELL. Now I live in my very own house, and it came with a small
rose garden right in the front. Most of the varieties are common HTs
of the 50s/60s (at least the ones I've been able to figure out!), so
nothing special or rare. There were also some pink Simplicities along
a fence. Since then I've added a few of my own, I stumbled on the
Canadian Explorer hardy roses at a fall sale, and have been VERY happy
with them (especially John Cabot!). I have a HUGE briar patch that
is rosa eglantaria, over 10 ft high with arching canes that cover
themselves in hips and start new little eglantarias all over the place.
That's an original member of the yard too. I put a alba suavolens
nearby to try and make a hedge to hide the neighbors ;-). After seeing
Cheryl Netter's Jeanne LeJoie (as big as my eglantaria!), I planted
one myself, but the poor thing is struggling in a dry and semi shady
location, but still is there and blooming, just not taking off into
a 10 ft monster. Minis are definitely wonderful- they seem hardier
than the big guys and bloom more too!
And Susan, the yellow rose you remember so fondly sure sounds like
"Harison's Yellow". I put one of those in the back yard (the dog
yard) since it was supposed to be so hardy, but last year I had
some sort of bad cane dieback :-(. Hopefully this year it will
rebound. It's a wonderful rose, totally covered in buttery yellow
blooms during May/June and I can smell it from the back porch.
Tracy Lorraine Smith Boulder, CO Zone 5
Maria Martin
Emil wrote:
> Hi group,
>
> Out of curiosity...How did everybody start with their hobby, more like a
> passion :-) of roses?
OK, I'll play along. When we bought this house 10 yrs ago there were a few
scraggly roses and I logged on to the formerly wonderful rec.gardens.roses to
perhaps learn what to do with them. It was a warm and friendly group (I still
have a big folder of print-outs of messages which included advice, but also
poetry, essays, observations, erudition, short stories, and some gentle
insults). I became an enthusiast. When Judy Pineda hosted a dinner party for
Sam McGreedy, I had to be there. When the group got T-shirts (thanks to Alice)
and wore them to SJHRG, I had to be there too. I now have maybe 60 roses in the
ground and 20 in pots. Latest purchase is Hot Cocoa, even thought I didn't want
any more floribundas, the color got me.
zia maria
Allegra
Hello Emil,
In the DNA. That is the only explanation.
My great-grandmother lived in Scotland
and her place was nothing if not covered
with roses and heathers both of which I
loved when we went to visit.
One set of grandparents lived in Provence,
nothing but lavender and roses there as well.
Another set of grandparents lived in Tuscany,
olives and roses there. In 1971 I moved to
Portland and many a trip later to their homes
my old garden had some of the most beautiful
roses -to me- that could be found anywhere.
Almost all, just like now in our new garden,
old garden roses.
After selling the house because of health reasons
and moving to a condo by the river I realized that
all the views in this world can not rival that of
a rose garden in bloom, so in July of 2000 we
bought this house and began all over again.
With over 170 roses and counting, I can tell you
that I am convinced a rose lover is born. It may
take some time and detours to become a roseholic,
but if it is in your DNA, there is no hope for you.
Allegra
who still thinks that a life without a rose garden
is not worth living ;>)
lms
says...
>
>What got me started originally ... When I was a child, my family and I lived
>in a 100-yr old farmhouse on the southwestern Iowa plains (zone 5 - ends of
>the earth). The previous owners had a number of tough flowering shrubs and
>trees around the house; one of them was a little sulfur-yellow semidouble
>rose with tiny leaves and twiggy branches and a rather unpleasant smell that
>became covered in golden yellow blooms in spring. That became "my" rose; it
>was just about as tall as me. Sometimes I couldn't wait for the buds to
>open, so I "helped" them by prying them open!
>
>That little rose bloomed faithfully with no protection, no fertilizer,
>nothing - and had probably survived for nearly 100 years. But when my
>parents decided to build a new house, my rose was bulldozed one day when I
>was at school. I was heartbroken. (My first heartbreak with roses! Many more
>to come!)
>
>Now, even though I love and grow contemporary HTs and some Austins, I'd
>still like to find that little old yellow rose ...
>Sue in SoCal
the rose Bob mentioned, certainly one of my faves on eart
http://www.nmt.edu/~mstephen/py02.jpg
here's a close one:
http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Persi99.jpg
one day I grew a great red rose, now I have a computer filled with truly
bizarre stuff.
m
Shiva
<mma...@mail.csuchico.edu> wrote:
>
>OK, I'll play along. When we bought this house 10 yrs ago there were a few
>scraggly roses and I logged on to the formerly wonderful rec.gardens.roses to
>perhaps learn what to do with them. It was a warm and friendly group (I still
>have a big folder of print-outs of messages which included advice, but also
>poetry, essays, observations, erudition, short stories, and some gentle
>insults). I became an enthusiast. When Judy Pineda hosted a dinner party for
>Sam McGreedy, I had to be there. When the group got T-shirts (thanks to Alice)
>and wore them to SJHRG, I had to be there too. I now have maybe 60 roses in the
>ground and 20 in pots. Latest purchase is Hot Cocoa, even thought I didn't want
>any more floribundas, the color got me.
That is so nice! Whatever part of wonderful is missing now can still
be had, you know. In PRIVATE groups where you can all wear the same
t-shirts and make plans for dinner every week and even have a secret
handshake if you want.
Meanwhile, welcome to rgr 2003.
>zia maria
>
Maria Martin
Radika Kesavan
>>Now, even though I love and grow contemporary HTs and some Austins, I'd
>>still like to find that little old yellow rose ...
> the rose Bob mentioned, certainly one of my faves on eart
> http://www.nmt.edu/~mstephen/py02.jpg
>
> here's a close one:
> http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Persi99.jpg
That is absolutely stunning, especially the second shot where the leaves
and the petals look stunningly contrasted. Awesome, awesome ...
Is that a grape vine in the foreground in the first shot? Still planning
to make wine?
> one day I grew a great red rose, now I have a computer filled with truly
> bizarre stuff.
Mind explaining?
Regina
> >parents decided to build a new house, my rose was bulldozed one day when I
> >was at school. I was heartbroken.
Oh the shock. We had a light pink climber thing growing on the side of
the garage in a sort of no man's land that I played in, hiding under the
rose and the gnarled fruit trees. I remember clouds of petals on the
ground. When my mother remodeled the area, the rose disappeared. Funny
how our parents never thought about our attachments to these plants and
places.
I was caught by this rose addiction partly through the pull of such
memories of playing in the dirt as a kid, but mostly because like so
many, I bought a house. Simple as that. When you try different things
to see what works, you get snagged by the reward that roses give. I'm
also quite snagged by clematis for a similar reason.
> (My first heartbreak with roses! Many more
> >to come!)
Always more heartpounders than heart breaks though.
> >Now, even though I love and grow contemporary HTs and some Austins, I'd
> >still like to find that little old yellow rose ...
> >Sue in SoCal
>
> the rose Bob mentioned, certainly one of my faves on eart
> http://www.nmt.edu/~mstephen/py02.jpg
That is just GAWjuz!
> here's a close one:
> http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Persi99.jpg
> one day I grew a great red rose, now I have a computer filled with truly
> bizarre stuff.
Yeah, it just happens, don't it?
The bizareness though is inborn. ;~P
Regina
Radika Kesavan
> lms wrote:
>
>>here's a close one:
>>http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Persi99.jpg
>
>
>>one day I grew a great red rose, now I have a computer filled with truly
>>bizarre stuff.
>
>
> Yeah, it just happens, don't it?
> The bizareness though is inborn. ;~P
Hahaha!
You know, I was thinking that he needs to grow Excellenz von Schubert to
cover the knees of that Missster Lincoln. I planted EvS at the foot of
my very tall growing Bewitched for the same reason (it is also a very
wide Betwitched) and I am very glad of the effect. EvB can be kept as a
4 foot mound acoording to Liggett (Regina, I remember you asking me
about this a long time ago), but I am letting them all grow whatever way
they want to grow. So far, the interesting development (besides the
gorgeous EvB) is that Bewitched decided to keep all her leaves on her
knobby knees, and even throw an occasional low-blooming blossom, just to
compete with the EvB, and it is all very pretty, very pleasing to the eyes.
Theo Asir
roses consistently has the greenest of green thumbs
in their families.
I mostly grow roses because I can. Everyone
I talk to has horror stories to relate about their
naive attempts at growing them. I grow them on
balconies, in pots, by windows, under gro-lights,
in basements, by the kitchen sink, in big pots in small pots.
I right now grow a 4' high miniature rose in a half gallon pot.
I've grown species,
hybrid and got them all to thrive.
I supect millions try to grow roses
only a few consistently do well. So we stick
with the spectacular rewards that come our way.
--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City
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Allegra
"Theo Asir" wrote
> Not a boast but I bet everyone here who grows
> roses consistently has the greenest of green thumbs
> in their families.
>
Hello Theo,
No, far from the greenest, but the most smashed,
mutilated, poked by prickles and impossible to
keep clean in my family at least...;>)
Apparently the roses don't seem to care about that.
Allegra
lms
reg...@justourpictures.com says...
>
>lms wrote:
>>
>> In article <U3Yka.88924$S14....@news1.central.cox.net>, ssol...@cox.net
>> says...
>
>> >parents decided to build a new house, my rose was bulldozed one day when I
>> >was at school. I was heartbroken.
>
>Oh the shock. We had a light pink climber thing growing on the side of
>the garage in a sort of no man's land that I played in, hiding under the
>rose and the gnarled fruit trees. I remember clouds of petals on the
>ground. When my mother remodeled the area, the rose disappeared. Funny
>how our parents never thought about our attachments to these plants and
>places.
for years I've been driving by this trailer park on Chaparrel <sic> Drive,
there was this *huge red bush next to the front door, I'm telling you it
**blazed totally authentic red in the spring, hugely red, well this dhead
decided to build a *deck and destroyed it. Makes me clench my teet every
time I drive by, I swear. one year--I swear I did this, I've never done it for
a rose--I just kinda casually walked up and cut some. but they didn't strike.
I can't talk too much, I guess, I had to basically destroy the Peace I planted
with Mr. Lincoln to do the enclosed patio addition thing. The two people
watching were amazed at the swiftness with which I did that. I did what I
had to do quickly. And I hope I didn't piss anybody off.
>I was caught by this rose addiction partly through the pull of such
>memories of playing in the dirt as a kid, but mostly because like so
>many, I bought a house. Simple as that. When you try different things
>to see what works, you get snagged by the reward that roses give. I'm
>also quite snagged by clematis for a similar reason.
I dig clematis, have had a couple live for years, it's extremely tenacious
if it ever gets any grip at all on life. around here it's very easy
to make a mistake when you're weeding the tall stuff and you can't get near
it with a weedeater.
>
>> (My first heartbreak with roses! Many more
>> >to come!)
>
>Always more heartpounders than heart breaks though.
>
>> >Now, even though I love and grow contemporary HTs and some Austins, I'd
>> >still like to find that little old yellow rose ...
>> >Sue in SoCal
>>
>> the rose Bob mentioned, certainly one of my faves on eart
>> http://www.nmt.edu/~mstephen/py02.jpg
>
>That is just GAWjuz!
heheh. just finished irrigating, loaded it up for the big one, it won't
be long now. each year it's been better than the one before, we're on
track for that. I'll let it eat Lightqueen Lucia if it wants to--this one's
not particularly enthralled with NM
>> here's a close one:
>> http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Persi99.jpg
>
>> one day I grew a great red rose, now I have a computer filled with truly
>> bizarre stuff.
>
>Yeah, it just happens, don't it?
>The bizareness though is inborn. ;~P
one of my most ancient buddies is going to korea saturday. his job is
wargames/computers. great. just great. you know, 8 o'clock sure comes
early these days.
m
>
lms
says...
>
>lms wrote:
>> In article <U3Yka.88924$S14....@news1.central.cox.net>, ssol...@cox.net
>> says...
>
>>>Now, even though I love and grow contemporary HTs and some Austins, I'd
>>>still like to find that little old yellow rose ...
>
>> the rose Bob mentioned, certainly one of my faves on eart
>> http://www.nmt.edu/~mstephen/py02.jpg
>>
>> here's a close one:
>> http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Persi99.jpg
>
>That is absolutely stunning, especially the second shot where the leaves
>and the petals look stunningly contrasted. Awesome, awesome ...
why...why...why...thank you, k rad, I'll be your messenger. that thing
has escaped the grounds, has popped up on the other side of the pickets,
in horse territory. they'll strip everything they can reach on some
roses, but they leave this one and R. primula alone.
>Is that a grape vine in the foreground in the first shot?
being still naked, the extent to which:
http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/8x6S.jpg
there's another wor like this one off the right edge of this pic but the
roses on that side fight with it from boat sides of the fence. It's a pretty
even fight although periodically, every other year or so I hedge the bets
and hack the grape.
what gives me a good charge in this pic is that skyrose
right-center, back there along the fence--Cl. McGredy's Sunset, which was
in the first order I placed with Roses of Yesterday and Today years ago,
and my first hugely successful moved rose. Used to grow in front
of--north of--Cl. Talisman, Trigintipetala and Soleil d'Or--they were
smothering it.
At the time I requested that RoY&T catalog I wanted to plant some old roses
but when I actually got the catalog I ended up getting just two 'old' roses,
Leda and Trigintipetala aka Kazanlik. The other 'modern' was Cl. Talisman,
they're all still alive and plenty potent. omni potent.
And I almost forgot, I'm also growing 74 Oldsmobiles out there. It's
greening up.
Still planning
>to make wine?
haha. definitely, it's right up there wit crossing foetida bicolor with Elina,
only need another Elina.
>> one day I grew a great red rose, now I have a computer filled with truly
>> bizarre stuff.
>
>Mind explaining?
the red rose, a recorded first rose moment
http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/nuuk.jpg
all the ones and zeroes, you know who you are hahahaha, it's all gobbledegook
without a decoder.
m
lms
says...
rgr has no envenomated unhypehnated suffix I'm aware of.
>>
>> >zia maria
hi zia!!!
m
>
>
lms
bobb...@worldnet.att.net says...
>The course of events was set... one year led to another and by the
>time the dust settles in mid summer here in '03 I will have about 380
>or more varieties. And yes I have run out of space.
thank God! I thought you were going Supernova on us.
m
great story though, and '69 rules
>
Bob Bauer
>> I will have about 380
>
>thank God! I thought you were going Supernova on us.
God knows I want to. I've got plans for the 'public' strips on the
street side of my building and lot. heh
>great story though, and '69 rules
As I recall we got a lot of mileage out the phrase 'The class of '69'
nice.....
Dr. Brownell is in the bag here with me. Among others...... many
others...... heh heh
BTW, I am learning that there are only so many rose bushes that you
can pawn off on your neighblors......
Bob Bauer
Cass
> >great story though, and '69 rules
>
> As I recall we got a lot of mileage out the phrase 'The class of '69'
Cheeses, you guys are old. That's *my* class.
> Dr. Brownell is in the bag here with me. Among others...... many
> others...... heh heh
>
> BTW, I am learning that there are only so many rose bushes that you
> can pawn off on your neighblors......
Time to convert one of the relatives.
Radika Kesavan
> Bob Bauer <bobb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>great story though, and '69 rules
>>
>>As I recall we got a lot of mileage out the phrase 'The class of '69'
>
>
> Cheeses, you guys are old. That's *my* class.
Heheh. I am from the class of '68, not that this means anything in terms
of my age <g>.
>>Dr. Brownell is in the bag here with me. Among others...... many
>>others...... heh heh
>>
>>BTW, I am learning that there are only so many rose bushes that you
>>can pawn off on your neighblors......
>
>
> Time to convert one of the relatives.
And convince Second Harvest Food Bank that they really need rose bushes
along with food donations.
Radika Kesavan
>>> http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/Persi99.jpg
>>
>> That is absolutely stunning, ...
>
>
> why...why...why...thank you, k rad, I'll be your messenger.
Heh. You are welcome, it's the truth, and thank you for the offer.
> that thing has escaped the grounds, has popped up on the other side
> of the pickets, in horse territory. they'll strip everything they
> can reach on some roses, but they leave this one and R. primula
> alone.
That is definitely a plus.
>> Is that a grape vine in the foreground in the first shot?
> being still naked, the extent to which:
> http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/8x6S.jpg ...
Aye, that is still naked all right. Here, they just started leafing out,
but it beign a very strange El nino / La Vieja cycle of a year, the
Concord is completely bloomed and the Muscat is mid-way in blooming.
Very strange patterns of growth and bloom this year.
> or so I hedge the bets and hack the grape.
Well, you still have them quite large. I think.
> what gives me a good charge in this pic is that skyrose right-center,
> back there along the fence--Cl. McGredy's Sunset, which was in the
> first order I placed with Roses of Yesterday and Today years ago, and
> my first hugely successful moved rose.
Show me again, please, when they bloom. I lack in imagination. Why did
you move that rose?
> Used to grow in front of--north of--Cl. Talisman, Trigintipetala and
> Soleil d'Or--they were smothering it. At the time I requested that
> RoY&T catalog I wanted to plant some old roses but when I actually
> got the catalog I ended up getting just two 'old' roses, Leda and
> Trigintipetala aka Kazanlik. The other 'modern' was Cl. Talisman,
> they're all still alive and plenty potent. omni potent.
Speaking of potent and fecund roses, for the first time in all these
years, I have got rose seedlings popping up in a couple of different
places; one is something from Irene Watts, or Souv de St. Anne's and
some Moore miniatures; the other is something from one of Kim's roses -
Dotty Louise, Othello, Gertrude Jekyll and Comte de Chambord. That's
what happens when I give up on deadheading. Am just letting the
seedlings grow in situ to see if I can tell what is what.
> And I almost forgot, I'm also growing 74 Oldsmobiles out there. It's
> greening up.
Very luxuriantly too.
> haha. definitely, it's right up there wit crossing foetida bicolor
> with Elina, only need another Elina.
Isn't bicolor sterile? It is blooming now, and is gorgeous. I have got
too much lavender at its feet, need to hack through it soon.
And what happened to the other Elina? Bit the dust? Bit the ice?
>> Mind explaining?
>
>
> the red rose, a recorded first rose moment
> http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/nuuk.jpg
>
> all the ones and zeroes, you know who you are hahahaha, it's all
> gobbledegook without a decoder.
Mister Lincoln <g>?
Emil
Emil
Cass
> Speaking of potent and fecund roses, for the first time in all these
> years, I have got rose seedlings popping up in a couple of different
> places; one is something from Irene Watts, or Souv de St. Anne's and
> some Moore miniatures; the other is something from one of Kim's roses -
> Dotty Louise, Othello, Gertrude Jekyll and Comte de Chambord. That's
> what happens when I give up on deadheading. Am just letting the
> seedlings grow in situ to see if I can tell what is what.
I wish I had seedlings, but where I've had budded roses and moved them,
I think I'm getting root divisions of the rootstock. If the darned
things would just flower, already. This happens so often that I'm
surprised I don't hear about it from others. Or am I the only one to
redecorate their roses? I've been encouraged by the results of the
moves, and I moved some honkers.
Radika Kesavan
> Radika Kesavan <malar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Speaking of potent and fecund roses, for the first time in all
>> these years, I have got rose seedlings popping up in a couple of
>> different places; ....
> I wish I had seedlings, but where I've had budded roses and moved
> them, I think I'm getting root divisions of the rootstock.
Oh, aye, that has happened to me too, in three places specifically. That
is why I am careful to jump to the conclusion that only the "new" roses
that come up in rose-virgin territory are seedlings.
> If the darned things would just flower, already. This happens so
> often that I'm surprised I don't hear about it from others.
I thought it was my unique problem too! And, also, ever since the Rose
Rosette disease talk came up to be talked about, I am hacking at these
root divisions of rootstock with vigour, where I can reach them (one of
them is in the middle of a minor sea of St. John's Wort, so it is hard
to tackle). I am not sure if any of my roses have multiflora as
understock, but who needs long lanky canes that bloom not and might be a
source of other headaches?
> Or am I the only one to redecorate their roses? I've been encouraged
> by the results of the moves, and I moved some honkers.
Same here, same here ... Yellow Lady banks and Reine des Violettes were
the biggest roses I ever moved, but there have been others, too many
others .... sigh ...
lms
says...
>
>lms wrote:
>> In article <b741ji$atbb4$1...@ID-155555.news.dfncis.de>,
>> malar...@yahoo.com says...
>>> Is that a grape vine in the foreground in the first shot?
>
>> being still naked, the extent to which:
>> http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/8x6S.jpg ...
>
>Aye, that is still naked all right. Here, they just started leafing out,
>but it beign a very strange El nino / La Vieja cycle of a year, the
>Concord is completely bloomed and the Muscat is mid-way in blooming.
>Very strange patterns of growth and bloom this year.
>
>> or so I hedge the bets and hack the grape.
>
>Well, you still have them quite large. I think.
over the twenty years they've been living they've just bent down that
fence they're riding from 4' to 2'. squeeze play.
>
>> what gives me a good charge in this pic is that skyrose right-center,
>> back there along the fence--Cl. McGredy's Sunset, which was in the
>> first order I placed with Roses of Yesterday and Today years ago, and
>> my first hugely successful moved rose.
>
>Show me again, please, when they bloom.
they're supposed to bloom?
I lack in imagination. Why did
>you move that rose?
It was down to it, you know, move it or lose it. them, I should say,
moved Summer Sunshine and Mikado at the same time, they were the first roses to
recognize the coming Dark Age, although at the time it was just roses killing
roses. Planting roses three rows deep facing south ain't such a bright idea,
especially if there's a slope involved. Summer Sunshine and Mikado are still
with the living too, I'll add, though Summer Sunshine has to directly compete
with Trier, something it is surprisingly coping well with. Really dig Mikado,
but one I like better is Pompeii, which is available only from one cheap
catalog I know of.
>> Used to grow in front of--north of--Cl. Talisman, Trigintipetala and
>> Soleil d'Or--they were smothering it. At the time I requested that
>> RoY&T catalog I wanted to plant some old roses but when I actually
>> got the catalog I ended up getting just two 'old' roses, Leda and
>> Trigintipetala aka Kazanlik. The other 'modern' was Cl. Talisman,
>> they're all still alive and plenty potent. omni potent.
>
>Speaking of potent and fecund roses, for the first time in all these
>years, I have got rose seedlings popping up in a couple of different
>places;
excellent, it's always amazed me to imagine what happens to all those
seedlings. I have one next to Alain Chandler, a gallica, grows next to
Nicole on one side and two hybrid Moyesiis on the other. There's one several
years old I've never been able to make up my mind about, Chicago Peace is
the closest unit. Whether it's rootstock or not. Chicago Peace has no
resident invasion of rootstock. Blooms red, ain't Huey. I just noticed
another one the other day, it's in an unlikely location, next to a couple
roses which have never grown like rockets but never seem to lose their edge
on life either. Yesterday I popped open a Nevada hip and took a taste--
dried, tasteless--but it certainly made me wonder how thousands upon thousands
of seeds every year but no new roses. I haven't looked very closely lately,
that's a good little project.
one is something from Irene Watts, or Souv de St. Anne's and
>some Moore miniatures; the other is something from one of Kim's roses -
>Dotty Louise, Othello, Gertrude Jekyll and Comte de Chambord. That's
>what happens when I give up on deadheading. Am just letting the
>seedlings grow in situ to see if I can tell what is what.
as easily as pecan trees sprout here I'm surprised I don't have more--I
should just throw some hips in the irrigation ditch and 'stomp' them in.
>> haha. definitely, it's right up there wit crossing foetida bicolor
>> with Elina, only need another Elina.
>
>Isn't bicolor sterile?
no, I've seen tons of crosses with it in MR, it's all over the map,
infact it's a rose which endlessly fascinates me in that respect. there
are a couple sports of it--I'm dubious to any big differences with these,
though I have seen none--and the one I have has sported at least 5 canes
of straight yellow units, that is just the coolest thing to see.
It is blooming now, and is gorgeous. I have got
>too much lavender at its feet, need to hack through it soon.
Nevada inches into it more each year and so does RazIce but everything's
a big mass and a big fight with none nearing the precipice, I like it that way.
>And what happened to the other Elina? Bit the dust? Bit the ice?
>
>>> Mind explaining?
only ever had one Elina, killed it. gd it. was near and dear but the
redbud keeps coming this way and if I hack it any more, it's going to lose
all semblance of a redbud. the redbud killing roses, the pecans and me
after the redbud, I just don't have a real good grip on the situation, never
claimed to.
>> the red rose, a recorded first rose moment
>> http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/nuuk.jpg
>>
>> all the ones and zeroes, you know who you are hahahaha, it's all
>> gobbledegook without a decoder.
>
>Mister Lincoln <g>?
smoke and mirrors. my bigdog Chaco has taken to burying his food dish, I guess
he's tired of Burt stealing it, taking it out to Apricot Twist and pissing on
it. Then Chaco will piss on it, then Burt again. Spent 3 days under Yves
Piaget, that was a *very good one. And of course he wouldn't eat out of a
metal bowl substitute. Last time for the first time, he took it across the
ditch, buried it under Paul McCartney. Started to dig into the new glads and
etc bed but it was too wet thangod. So I figured it must be closeby. Mr.
Detective.
If he's happy, I'm happy.
Yesterday I noticed Canary Bird had started blooming and they all got freeze
fried and I missed it, happened way early, must have, about the same time as
Primula. It's in a wild and dangerous location, between Fruhlingsmorgen and
Julie Annnnndrews, a pair of monsters. That whole area is just dangerous--
Gen Macarthur, Trier, Sparrieshoop. duck and weave navigation, you have
to have a good reason to get close.
m
lms
bobb...@worldnet.att.net says...
>
>
>>> I will have about 380
>>>.... And yes I have run out of space.
>>
>>thank God! I thought you were going Supernova on us.
>
>God knows I want to. I've got plans for the 'public' strips on the
>street side of my building and lot. heh
>
>>great story though, and '69 rules
>
>As I recall we got a lot of mileage out the phrase 'The class of '69'
>
>nice.....
>
>Dr. Brownell is in the bag here with me.
you're going to like that rose. In addition to being one of the supremest
color blasters around here I *never have to cut off any dead wood, it's
practically evergreen, just dulls out for awhile. It's without a doubt the
best mistake I was ever sent.
Mike, this very prominent east coast hoser and IRS Bigdog, sent me a very small
plant of another Brownell, Rhode Island Red, which came off his mom's original
plant--Brownell was from Rhode Island-- in Rhode Island, but I'm sorry to say,
very sorry to say, and now don't need to say... IT was one of those personally
autographed type units, they come very rarely.
Among others...... many
>others...... heh heh
>
>BTW, I am learning that there are only so many rose bushes that you
>can pawn off on your neighblors......
I think what you need... are a couple pecan trees.
m
>
>Bob Bauer
Kim
says...
> I think I must be on every mailing list related to roses. A large
> percentage of my bookmarks are websites that are in some way or another
> related to roses. I don't think I have bought anything new for the garden
> that wasn't a rose in the last couple years. Nothing beats the satisfaction
> of growing beautiful roses. I am officially obsessed.
>
> Mike
> z8TX
Mike, do you have any links to sites that might show the general shape of a
bush once it's "fully grown"? Please see example of what I'm talking about at
the link below.
http://www.vintagegardens.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?id=65b1ia63c8fa (search link)
and put in "The Fairy" and once it comes up, select the bush style of the rose.
Once you've done that, there is a drawing on the page that shows several
"appearences" of bushes, and "The Fairy" is #2 in that group.
I'm looking for this info because I'm getting ready to plant my first rose bed
in a week (zone 6, northern panhandle of WV) or so and since I know very little
about roses (yet) I figured I'd ask you folks on the rose group.
The plants will arrive by the end of next week so I need to know which one will
go where, based on how it might "grow up".
The bed in question is hexagonal, with 6' sides. I will be putting in 7 roses
George Burns
Intrigue
Lavaglut
Margaret Merril
Easy Going
The Fairy
Baby Grand
and would like to have some idea of the mature shape of each one so that I know
who to put next to whom. Each rose will be installed in the center of one side
of the hexagon, with one in the exact middle of the bed.
Any comments about shape and size of the roses I've picked, as well as any
other general info about how these roses behave, would be greatly appreciated.
--
Kim
"We have done so much with so little for so long that now we can do anything
with nothing." -- Dave Marcis
Kim
> One of the houses we lived in when I was a kid had a whole side of
> the house dedicated to roses. They were there when we moved in,
> and still there three years later when we moved out, my dad took
> great care of them. I've just always loved the look and especially
> the SMELL. Now I live in my very own house, and it came with a small
> rose garden right in the front. Most of the varieties are common HTs
> of the 50s/60s (at least the ones I've been able to figure out!), so
> nothing special or rare. There were also some pink Simplicities along
> a fence. Since then I've added a few of my own, I stumbled on the
> Canadian Explorer hardy roses at a fall sale, and have been VERY happy
> with them (especially John Cabot!). I have a HUGE briar patch that
Another John Cabot fan! Excellent! That has been my one and only rose to
date, and I enjoyed having it so much, I couldn't bear to "go without" when I
moved. I scoured around and finally found a place to order one (other than
Canada) in Maine. It'll be here shortly. When I called to place the order
(one for me and one for my Mom) in Feb. the folks there still had FEET of snow
on the ground.
How long have you had your John Cabot? I'd only had mine 5 growing seasons
when I moved last fall, and it was huge and wonderful (at least to my untrained
eyes!) How much do you prune yours, and have you tried to shape it at all or
have you just let him grow how he wants to (in terms of the hugely long canes)?
Mike
>
>Mike, do you have any links to sites that might show the general shape of a
>bush once it's "fully grown"? Please see example of what I'm talking about at
>the link below.
Hi Kim,
I'm sorry to say you have me stumped. I can't think of a site that has
photos or drawings of the mature form of a large variety of roses. It's hit
and miss with vendor sites - they sometimes show a shot of the entire
plant, but mostly stick with close-ups of the blooms. Non-vendor sites that
I've bookmarked are mostly specific to a particular "type" of rose, such as
Old Garden Roses or Austins. Or they relate to the care of roses, or have
lots of beautiful photographs (again, focusing on the blooms) of roses. I
would say that a site like you're hoping to find would be very useful,
though. Maybe someone else here knows of one?
I can tell you most floribundas tend to be medium size plants (about 4 feet
tall,) and a little wider than they are tall. The Fairy is a polyantha, it
will be a little shorter, not much - still a medium sized plant, and about
as wide as it is tall. The overall form will be very similiar to your
floribundas. Baby Grand is a miniature and will be the shortest plant by
far. Probably about a foot and a half tall and not as wide. This is
generally speaking, some floribundas are a little taller than others, etc.
I believe most of your roses will be around the same size and shape at
maturity, save the Baby Grand. Intrigue will probably be a little taller
than the other floribundas. The Fairy will probably be a little shorter
than your floribundas.
The best thing I could suggest is for you to look your roses up on
HelpMeFind. Here's the link to look your roses up by name:
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/searchSlt.php?srchTyp=plant&sltTyp=name&865d
d947de4dfe8dcc2ee19cb3ebcbe6
You should be able to find out how tall each plant will be at maturity and
see pictures of each rose, although it's most likely the photos will be
close-ups of blooms. You may come across a few photos that show the whole
plant, though.
Sorry I couldn't give you better information. I hope this gives you some
idea, though - and try helpmefind. It will at least provide you with the
mature height of all your roses. Since all but two of your roses are
floribundas, they will all have similiar form, so you should be able to
figure out your design by finding out which floribunda should grow the
tallest and placing it in the center, and then arranging the others by
bloom color with your miniature Baby Grand as an accent.
A little bit of advice - you might end up wanting to get one or two
additional Baby Grands to balance out your design. Two or three of them,
either grouped together or strategically placed around the outside edge of
your design, might look better than just one with all those other
relatively tall roses. You could fit two or three miniatures in the space
you have reserved for one average-sized rose.
Good luck,
Mike
z8TX
Gail Futoran
news:MPG.19086e5b1...@news.earthlink.net...
I've had a George Burns for about 4 years.
First planted in a raised bed, never did well,
transplanted to a container (about a year ago)
and is doing much better but still acts more like
a mini. It is (for me) a very low grower - about 6"
"tall" - and about 12" wide at its widest. It blooms
reliably but not profusely, getting at most a couple
of blooms at once, and more often only one bloom
at a time. Although right now, the spring flush
has 6 blooms or buds at one time.
I'm on my second Intrigue, having killed off
the first somehow. It gets about 3' tall for
me and about 2' wide. It tends to bloom
reliably.
The others I don't have. I'm curious to know
experiences other rose growers have had
with these roses.
Gail
San Antonio TX Zone 8
Gail Futoran
Here's one link to a picture and description of
a mature "The Fairy":
http://members.fortunecity.com/cnetter/rose_tour/thefairy.ht
ml
Gail
Cass
<KtMna.33377$cO3.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Gail
Futoran <fut...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
This mini is 12 inches tall and very upright.
> Here's one link to a picture and description of
> a mature "The Fairy":
> http://members.fortunecity.com/cnetter/rose_tour/thefairy.ht
> ml
Here's a very well grown The Fairy, maybe more than one plant:
http://home.earthlink.net/~berndoodle/StAlbansGardens/pages/Garden5.htm
Kim
says...
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Kim asked me:
> >
> >Mike, do you have any links to sites that might show the general shape of a
> >bush once it's "fully grown"? Please see example of what I'm talking about at
> >the link below.
>
> Hi Kim,
>
> I'm sorry to say you have me stumped. I can't think of a site that has
> photos or drawings of the mature form of a large variety of roses. It's hit
> and miss with vendor sites - they sometimes show a shot of the entire
> plant, but mostly stick with close-ups of the blooms. Non-vendor sites that
> I've bookmarked are mostly specific to a particular "type" of rose, such as
> Old Garden Roses or Austins. Or they relate to the care of roses, or have
> lots of beautiful photographs (again, focusing on the blooms) of roses. I
> would say that a site like you're hoping to find would be very useful,
> though. Maybe someone else here knows of one?
Here's one I've known about for years. It's where I found out just what my
John Cabot was. At that point I had completely forgotten what the rose's name
was so I had to search for it totally by looking at pictures and going on the
comment that it was hardy in cold areas.
http://www.oldheirloomroses.com/
They have quite a few pictures on their site of the "full" rose bushes.
Picture quality isn't superb -- looks like some of them were blown up a bit too
much -- but there are quite a lot of "natural" looking photos of full bushes to
look at.
> I can tell you most floribundas tend to be medium size plants (about 4 feet
> tall,) and a little wider than they are tall. The Fairy is a polyantha, it
> will be a little shorter, not much - still a medium sized plant, and about
> as wide as it is tall. The overall form will be very similiar to your
> floribundas. Baby Grand is a miniature and will be the shortest plant by
> far. Probably about a foot and a half tall and not as wide. This is
> generally speaking, some floribundas are a little taller than others, etc.
> I believe most of your roses will be around the same size and shape at
> maturity, save the Baby Grand. Intrigue will probably be a little taller
> than the other floribundas. The Fairy will probably be a little shorter
> than your floribundas.
When I was doing my online shopping in January I used 'Fork 'n Spade' for
looking up info on the roses I was considering. They had one part of their
listing for height & habitat. I'll show you what they said about the ones I
ordered:
George Burns - 4', Rounded
Intrigue - 4', Bushy
Lavaglut - 4', Upright
Margaret Merril - 4', Upright
Easy Going - 4', Rounded
The Fairy - 2', Bushy
Baby Grand - 2', Compact, Bushy
Now what the heck are the definitions of "Rounded", "Bushy", and "Upright"? I
had a vague picture in my mind of what I thought they were, but now I have no
clue, since I've gone out and looked for the same roses at other sites and have
gotten different dimensions (for instance, one place said George might get to
5' high).
Since some of these roses are pretty well known, can somebody possibly tell me
if the above descriptions are anywhere close to accurate, and what they
actually mean? It would make things alot easier on me to have a good mind's
eye picture.
<some pruning>
> Sorry I couldn't give you better information. I hope this gives you some
> idea, though - and try helpmefind. It will at least provide you with the
> mature height of all your roses. Since all but two of your roses are
> floribundas, they will all have similiar form, so you should be able to
> figure out your design by finding out which floribunda should grow the
> tallest and placing it in the center, and then arranging the others by
> bloom color with your miniature Baby Grand as an accent.
>
> A little bit of advice - you might end up wanting to get one or two
> additional Baby Grands to balance out your design. Two or three of them,
> either grouped together or strategically placed around the outside edge of
> your design, might look better than just one with all those other
> relatively tall roses. You could fit two or three miniatures in the space
> you have reserved for one average-sized rose.
Ummm...after rethinking the Baby Grand I decided it would make a good Mother's
Day present. <g> Mom will be putting in a boatload of minis this year
(purchased from I have no clue where) and perhaps this Baby will become the
focal point of this year's gardening effort.
To replace it, I got a J&P "Cherish" at the co-op. Yes, I realize it'll be one
bare root rose amongst the 6 container roses in the bed, but it will be
interesting to see how it does in comparison. It claims it's a Grade 1, and
has a few leaves starting on it now.
Unfortunately it has to wait until the others get here to go in the ground.
I'm feeling a bit timid about ripping the box off of it and plunking it into a
bucket of water. This may sound silly, but where should the bucket be stored,
once the rose is in it? Indoors? Outdoors? On the sun porch? In the
garage/shed? Never having done this I don't know where to put it to hold until
the others arrive.
Kim
fut...@worldnet.att.net says...
> > The plants will arrive by the end of next week so I need
> to know which one will
> > go where, based on how it might "grow up".
> >
> > The bed in question is hexagonal, with 6' sides. I will
> be putting in 7 roses
> >
> > George Burns
> > Intrigue
> > Lavaglut
> > Margaret Merril
> > Easy Going
> > The Fairy
> > Baby Grand
>
> Here's one link to a picture and description of
> a mature "The Fairy":
> http://members.fortunecity.com/cnetter/rose_tour/thefairy.ht
> ml
Very pretty shot of her, Gail. It's a bit more spreading than I thought at
first. How much smaller can she be pruned down to, do you think? (width wise)
I may not be saying that right so I hope you know what I mean.
Kim
fut...@worldnet.att.net says...
> > The plants will arrive by the end of next week so I need
> to know which one will
> > go where, based on how it might "grow up".
> >
> > The bed in question is hexagonal, with 6' sides. I will
> be putting in 7 roses
> >
> > George Burns
> > Intrigue
> > Lavaglut
> > Margaret Merril
> > Easy Going
> > The Fairy
> > Baby Grand
> [snip]
>
> I've had a George Burns for about 4 years.
> First planted in a raised bed, never did well,
> transplanted to a container (about a year ago)
> and is doing much better but still acts more like
> a mini. It is (for me) a very low grower - about 6"
> "tall" - and about 12" wide at its widest. It blooms
> reliably but not profusely, getting at most a couple
> of blooms at once, and more often only one bloom
> at a time. Although right now, the spring flush
> has 6 blooms or buds at one time.
6 inches by 12 inches? All I can visualize is a bonsai rose! Is there any
practical limit as to how much smaller than expected a rose can be, and still
live healthily?
> I'm on my second Intrigue, having killed off
> the first somehow. It gets about 3' tall for
> me and about 2' wide. It tends to bloom
> reliably.
>
> The others I don't have. I'm curious to know
> experiences other rose growers have had
> with these roses.
I will let you all have a running narrative of how my summer goes with mine.
Hope you experienced folk won't be bored with it!
Kim
cassbe...@attbi.com says...
> Here's a very well grown The Fairy, maybe more than one plant:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~berndoodle/StAlbansGardens/pages/Garden5.htm
I surely hope that's more than one! Or else you can prune one down quite a
bit...
Gail Futoran
news:MPG.190c5a01a...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
I've never grown a Fairy but given that they're
always available around here, and a lot of people
grow them, I suspect they're hard to kill.
I do grow Red Cascade (a mini rambler, I
believe is the classification) that we "prune"
often with a weed whacker and the rose(s)
don't care! I grew the first four from cuttings
from a local groundcover demo site, then
grew 18 from cuttings last year, hoping at least
a dozen would survive. Well, all 18 survived
so I planted a bunch of them as mini-windbreaks.
I'm guessing Fairy would function much the
same.
Gail
Gail Futoran
warning and I lost Kim's original post]
Kim asked about George Burns after I
described mine as 6" tall by 12" wide.
This is a plant that I bought as an own root,
and planted it into a pot after it failed to thrive
in a bed. My GB is quite healthy now,
just small. :)
I've had other own roots that I bought as
very young plants that within a year or two
are threatening to eat my house, so it isn't
"own root" that's a problem.
If you like GB, maybe one grown on root stock
would be taller. I've checked several sources
online and they all mention it growing to
3-1/2' to 4'. So don't go by my experience.
Gail
Shiva
>> >
>> > George Burns
>>
>> I've had a George Burns for about 4 years.
>> First planted in a raised bed, never did well,
>> transplanted to a container (about a year ago)
>> and is doing much better but still acts more like
>> a mini. It is (for me) a very low grower - about 6"
>> "tall" - and about 12" wide at its widest. It blooms
>> reliably but not profusely, getting at most a couple
>> of blooms at once, and more often only one bloom
>> at a time. Although right now, the spring flush
>> has 6 blooms or buds at one time.
>
>6 inches by 12 inches? All I can visualize is a bonsai rose! Is there any
>practical limit as to how much smaller than expected a rose can be, and still
>live healthily?
Kim--George Burns is typically about 2.5 ft tall and about that wide.
That is what mine is in Zone 7b. (Edmunds bare root, in its third year
in the ground, same spot.) It is vigorous and stays in bloom, and
makes so many leaves they get crowded. It is a nice, mannerly, rounded
little floribunda with "okay" cheerful little blooms. Tamora, by the
way, is smaller and still delightful.