Nomad!!! Is OUT!!!
R. Alfonso
Hi,
Now that I got your attention, I want to know when this system is coming out.
I also want any details about it, even the price that is coming out.
Does any body know if it will be active matrix?
Is the screen bigger than the Turbo Express?
Will it be compatible with the Game Gear games?
Any details will help.
Thank you for your time,
-R&R
Craig M. Kazial
This is *very* bad netiquette 'R&R'. Since many of the issues you pose have
been answered just prior to this I suggest reading previous posts.
I would have repeated the answers, but I don't care for your subject line.
People will read and respond to your posts, the last thing we need though is
another person posting fake release info (not that it wasn't obvious to me
as it won't be out for months yet).
Aimee recently posted a press release, that's really all the info available
and I think it's available at the Sega Web page.
J.Caris
>**Well, its a portable Genesis. It's not something worth your money
>since the support for the genesis is greatly declining (UNlike the SNES
>:))
eh? I don't own a SNES or a Megadrive (sorry, Genesis), but currently
in the European console games chart there are 2 GB games, 2 SNES games
and 6 Megadrive games.
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Vega Bros.
"R. Alfonso" <rai...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Now that I got your attention, I want to know when this system is
coming out.
>I also want any details about it, even the price that is coming out.
>Does any body know if it will be active matrix?
>Is the screen bigger than the Turbo Express?
>Will it be compatible with the Game Gear games?
>Any details will help.
>
>Thank you for your time,
>-R&R
**Well, its a portable Genesis. It's not something worth your money
Jeremy Haines
>**Well, its a portable Genesis. It's not something worth your money
>since the support for the genesis is greatly declining (UNlike the SNES
>:))
Yeah, all those companies making Game Gear games will just throw
up their hands and quit the business instead of shifting to the Genesis
development kits that they already own...right...
Or better yet, they'll see red and switch to the Virtual Boy.
Get real, Vegatwits.
- Jer
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman
that hath known a man by lying with him. But all the women children that have
not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
- Numbers 31:17-18, the "Lord" speaking to Moses
Gary Sirianni
>since the support for the genesis is greatly declining (UNlike the SNES
>:))
>
up quite a genesis library and would like to be able to use them on the
road. Screw SNES and their FREAK advertisements (play it loud).
-ES
Anoop Gantayat
release by Christmas. I think SEGA should reconsider the system.
Instead of releasing a handheld of their 16-bit system, they should
release one with a 32X attachment built in. It'd probably cost over
$250, but it would add a certain amount of credibility to both the 32X
and Nomad. If the 32X continues to have trouble as a home system (though
I personally love it) it will have the portable market to back it up.
-Anoop G.
Jeremy Haines
>Remember Turbo Express ? That was a portable Turbo
>Graphix 16, which played the SAME games. When the TG16 died, so did the
>T-Express.
The TG-16 never got going in this country because it was
underpowered and it never developed a good software base. The T-Express
was released too soon after the TG-16, it could only play the game cards
(not the whole game base), and it was too expensive. Of course it died.
The situation with the Nomad is different.
>Why would anyone develop for the Nomad if they stopped developing for the
>Genesis?
Because they already have the development kits, they know the
machine, and the Nomad can do more than any other color portable on the
market...not to mention the fact that it will instantly have the largest
software base of any portable system.
>Plus, at around $200, the Nomad will sell poorly.
And the Virtual Boy won't? Get real. The price will come down
with time, and the Nomad should eventually take over the portable
market. The Virtual Boy certainly doesn't pose a threat...you have to
put it on a table to use it...technically portable, but not usable in
transit.
>Atleast the VB will games that will be their OWN.
Yeah, like Mario Tennis and Super 3-D Mario in Fungus Land.
Great. I'll take 100+ excellent games out of a 600+ game base over 10
mediocre (but exclusive!) games any day of the week. You can also play
two-player games with one Nomad unit...can't do that with the Virtual Boy
(or any other portable, for that matter).
>Every been to BlockBuster lately? I have to 2 BB's here, and both carry
>5-6 Virtual Boy's.
I wouldn't normally trash someone on grammar and spelling, but
just look at that last sentence...
>They are ALWAYS checked out, ulike the 32X (remember that?).
>That's another thing, the 32X was $160, and is dying out...FAST.
>I haven't heard about the 32X in months! Face it, Sega only cares about
>releasing hardware, but when it comes to software...ZERO!
I've never used a 32X, so I can't comment.
>Master System - Died due to lack of GOOD software
The Master System had a wealth of good software, but it was
marketed very poorly. The 3D glasses were fantastic...and they produced
a COLOR image, unlike the lovely reds of the VB.
>Genesis - The ONLY good Sega system (But, the SNES has equal if not
> more software, and came out a year or two later)
The Genesis has a better percentage of good games than the SNES
ever will. That's all that matters, especially when they have a
comparably sized game base.
>GameGear - Fairly supported (the GameBoy has a MUCH bigger library)
The GameBoy came first, so that makes sense. Hell, I bought a
GameBoy when it was new, because I couldn't afford a Lynx. I sold it a
month later because I was supremely dissatisfied with the unit and the
games.
>SegaCD - Lack of Software (good software)...died
Never used one, can't comment.
>32X - Dying due to lack of Software period! Good or bad
If the public rejects the pricey consoles, the 32X could be
Sega's ace in the hole. If the public shells out the cash, Sega can
always dump the 32X.
>Saturn - Also doing poorly due to lack of software (only 6-7 in 3
> months)
It's been in a limited pre-release until today...cut it some
slack. Developers were shooting for the September 2 launch, and Sega
launched early. I'm surprised that they have as many games available as
they do.
>Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
That's the benefit...I don't understand why you can't see that.
What about people who have never owned a Genesis? The Nomad will have a
huge base of software for them to choose from, and all new development
will use the machine to its full extent, because the programmers are
already completely familiar with it.
>*Why would anyone pay $180-$200 for a portable genesis? Just to play it
>anywhere?
From out of the darkness, a neuron fires...
>BTW, it requires SIX AA batteries which ONLY last three hours. Which
>means that a A/C Adpater will be needed.
I'm sure that there will be a rechargeable battery pack of some
kind with longer life. In the meantime, you're getting plenty of bang
for your buck, because you're getting the best quality and selection of
games for any portable machine...for a slightly smaller amount of time.
Vega Bros.
>underpowered and it never developed a good software base. The
T-Express
>was released too soon after the TG-16, it could only play the game
cards
>(not the whole game base), and it was too expensive.
*The game cards were the games...there wasn't any carts. Besides, the
point is, that people will not spend MORE for something that's old.
The Nomad is OLD technology, nothing new. So what exactly are we paying
for?
>
>>Why would anyone develop for the Nomad if they stopped developing for
the
>>Genesis?
>
> Because they already have the development kits, they know the
>machine, and the Nomad can do more than any other color portable on
the
>market...
*The Nomad is a Genesis in a small box. If developers STOP making
Genesis games (which ARE Nomad's games), then how can you possibly
think that more people will make games for the Nomad? Why wouldn't they
just continue to make Genesis games?
> The Master System had a wealth of good software, but it was
>marketed very poorly. The 3D glasses were fantastic...and they
produced a COLOR image, unlike the lovely reds of the VB.
*Is that why the 3D glasses were SO popular?
> The Genesis has a better percentage of good games than the SNES
>ever will. That's all that matters, especially when they have a
>comparably sized game base.
*That's garbage, tell me any Genesis game that will compare to:
Chrono Trigger
Killer Instinct
DKC or DKC2
Yoshi's Island
Those games EASILY beat any Genesis game, wasn't DKC the fastest
selling game of all time? 7.5 million....hmmm...that's ALOT!
> If the public rejects the pricey consoles, the 32X could be
>Sega's ace in the hole. If the public shells out the cash, Sega can
>always dump the 32X.
*With thousands and thousands of people reserving PSX's, that is
unlikely to happen.
> It's been in a limited pre-release until today...cut it some
>slack. Developers were shooting for the September 2 launch, and Sega
>launched early. I'm surprised that they have as many games available
as
>they do.
*The Saturn-day thing was DEAD, May 11th was the launch date. Limited
release? Funny, every store here still has several left. Just call:
1-800-SEE-Saturn, they'll tell you that Saturn's OFFICIAL debut was on
May 11th.
>>Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
>
> That's the benefit...I don't understand why you can't see that.
>What about people who have never owned a Genesis?
*People who don't own a Genesis by now, won't get $100+ one.
>The Nomad will have a
>huge base of software for them to choose from, and all new development
>will use the machine to its full extent, because the programmers are
>already completely familiar with it.
*What are you talking about? ALL NEW development?! NO developer is
working on Nomad games, Nomad games DO NOT exist. Nomad plays Genesis
games, so if you want to play your Nomad, you'll need to buy a Genesis
game (NOT a Nomad game). Remember the Nomad isn't new in ANY way, it's
simply a Small genesis (like the CDX). BTW, the CDX was a portable
Genesis and CD that sold for $300...yet it's sold VERY BAD. So what
makes you so sure that people will buy a protable Genesis for $200? If
people didn't think the idea of a portable genesis was good then...they
won't now.
Remember- Nomad play Genesis games ONLY, so when Genesis games die
out...Nomad games will too. It's very simple.
Jeremy Haines
>*The game cards were the games...there wasn't any carts. Besides, the
>point is, that people will not spend MORE for something that's old.
No, the point is that the TG-16 flopped in this country, so the
overpriced portable version obviously followed suit. The cards couldn't
hold enough information to allow games with any depth, and the CD
attachment came too late (if at all, in this country) and cost too much
to make a difference. The T-Express couldn't have used the CD's anyway,
so it was stillborn.
>The Nomad is OLD technology, nothing new. So what exactly are we paying
>for?
The ability to play 600+ games anywhere we want, 1 player or 2,
on the most powerful portable game system that will be available anytime
soon.
>*The Nomad is a Genesis in a small box. If developers STOP making
>Genesis games (which ARE Nomad's games), then how can you possibly
>think that more people will make games for the Nomad? Why wouldn't they
>just continue to make Genesis games?
Obviously the Nomad games would work just fine on a Genesis, but
the new games would be geared to the Nomad instead. Art would be
designed to minimize motion blur and make the best use of the colors on
the LCD screen, instead of catering to the TV-based market. There'd
probably be less incentive to make 2-player games, too, since most Nomad
users would play 1-player.
Basically, console development would move to the next-gen
consoles, and the Genesis development would change its focus to the Nomad
(though the games could still be used in a Genesis).
>*Is that why the 3D glasses were SO popular?
They've sold more than the Virtual Boy has...and probably more
than it ever will.
>*That's garbage, tell me any Genesis game that will compare to:
>Chrono Trigger
Haven't seen it, can't comment.
>Killer Instinct
Arcade version was eye candy and nothing else, SNES version is
understandably inferior in some ways, so it's even worse. Try playing a
real fighting game sometime, like the Street Fighter or Virtua Fighter
series, or Mortal Kombat II. I've also heard good things about the
Samurai Shodown series, but I haven't played any of those.
>DKC or DKC2
Short, repetitive eye candy...fast becoming a Nintendo
trademark. Give me an average-looking, remotely interesting game any day.
>Yoshi's Island
Haven't seen it, can't comment.
>Those games EASILY beat any Genesis game, wasn't DKC the fastest
>selling game of all time? 7.5 million....hmmm...that's ALOT!
Large sales do not mean that the product is any good. The
movie Hudson Hawk made over $100 million overseas, despite the fact that
was generally considered an awful movie. Millions of people watched
"Knight Rider" for years and years, and people still love "Baywatch".
Both of these shows are awful (though oddly entertaining at times), but
they have been tremendously successful.
I'll put it in your context. The Genesis sold millions upon
millions of units, as have many of the games for that system. You think
that the Genesis sucks. There you go.
Genesis games that trounce anything on the SNES in the same
timeframe? I'll start at the beginning and stop when I get bored:
Herzog Zwei, ThunderForce III, Lightening Force, Revenge of
Shinobi, Shinobi III, Phantasy Star II, Granada, John Madden Football
(I), Sonic, Sonic 2, Road Rash (I), Streets of Rage 2...ok, I'm bored.
Sure, some later SNES games beat some earlier Genesis games, and
some very recent SNES stuff beats the Genesis equivalent, but the Genesis
has a far higher percentage of good games than the SNES does...and in all
but the most recent batches of games that came out for both systems, the
Genesis version would win hands-down in gameplay.
>*With thousands and thousands of people reserving PSX's, that is
>unlikely to happen.
It takes MILLIONS of people to make a system successful, not
thousands. I wouldn't be surprised if the pricey consoles do pull
through, but don't reject out of hand the possibility that people will
put off the move until the prices are more reasonable.
>*The Saturn-day thing was DEAD, May 11th was the launch date. Limited
>release? Funny, every store here still has several left. Just call:
>1-800-SEE-Saturn, they'll tell you that Saturn's OFFICIAL debut was on
>May 11th.
If you were exposed to even the most basic economics, you would
realize that it is not in Sega's interest to have any stores completely
sold out of Saturns...and you may be confusing display boxes with actual
units. When I purchased my Saturn, they had more than ten Saturn boxes
lying around, but only two actual units in the store.
And it doesn't matter that Sega changed their mind about the
initial release...developers had been working for a September 2nd launch
date, so most of the software wasn't ready FOUR MONTHS EARLY. This is to
be expected...when you're making decent software, it takes a while. It
usually goes over the deadline, and is almost never done early.
>*What are you talking about? ALL NEW development?! NO developer is
>working on Nomad games, Nomad games DO NOT exist. Nomad plays Genesis
>games, so if you want to play your Nomad, you'll need to buy a Genesis
>game (NOT a Nomad game).
They are the same thing...but when Sega phases out the Genesis,
they will be considered Nomad games. There are also the considerations
that I've already mentioned for catering to the LCD screen instead of the
TV...that will affect development somewhat.
And I'm sure that people ARE working on Nomad games. It just so
happens that people who already own a normal Genesis will also be able to
play them. It benefits everyone involved.
>Remember the Nomad isn't new in ANY way, it's
>simply a Small genesis (like the CDX). BTW, the CDX was a portable
>Genesis and CD that sold for $300...yet it's sold VERY BAD. So what
>makes you so sure that people will buy a protable Genesis for $200? If
>people didn't think the idea of a portable genesis was good then...they
>won't now.
Smart Guy, the CDX didn't have a screen. It couldn't be used in
transit...it was no more "portable" than the Virtual Boy is. The CDX was
trying to pose as a Discman, and it makes no sense to buy a SegaCD +
Discman for $300 when you could get then separately for about the same
price. Who wants to accidentally drop a $300 piece of hardware while
they're jogging?!
>Remember- Nomad play Genesis games ONLY, so when Genesis games die
>out...Nomad games will too. It's very simple.
Yes, it IS simple, you just continue to miss the point. The
Genesis console will be phased out, and the Nomad will use its hardware
as the "next-generation portable". Nomad takes the place of Game Gear,
Saturn takes the place of Genesis. Nomad just benefits from the
hand-me-downs of the Genesis legacy...600+ games, and development kits
that most video game developers already own.
Think about it...if you could develop for a portable machine,
would you use the dev. kit that you already own and are familiar with, or
would you pay Nintendo a big load of cash to get the dev. kit for an
unproven, underpowered system that isn't usable in transit? Well, I can
guess YOUR answer, but most people would go with the Nomad over the
Virtual Boy.
Jeremy Haines
>You can't be seriuos! You would actually pay $100 just to play your OLD
>Genesis games anywhere? That's hard to believe...
I understand...you're not used to having a system with a large
number of games that have high replay value, so you have a hard time
grasping the concept.
I sold my Genesis and games a couple of years ago to move on, but
until the very last day I owned the thing, I regularly played games that
I purchased when the Genesis first came out. Ghouls n' Ghosts, Revenge
of Shinobi, Space Harrier II...I'd love to play those again. How often
do you sit down to a nice game of Super Mario World or Pilotwings?
Vega Bros.
>up their hands and quit the business instead of shifting to the
Genesis
>development kits that they already own...right...
*The GameGear had it's OWN library of games. When the Genesis games die
out, the Nomad's games will die out. It's simple, the Nomad games ARE
Genesis games. Remember Turbo Express ? That was a portable Turbo
Graphix 16, which played the SAME games. When the TG16 died, so did the
T-Express. Why would anyone develop for the Nomad if they stopped
developing for the Genesis? Plus, at around $200, the Nomad will sell
poorly. Atleast the VB will games that will be their OWN. Every been to
BlockBuster lately? I have to 2 BB's here, and both carry 5-6 Virtual
Boy's. They are ALWAYS checked out, ulike the 32X (remember that?).
That's another thing, the 32X was $160, and is dying out...FAST.
I haven't heard about the 32X in months! Face it, Sega only cares about
releasing hardware, but when it comes to software...ZERO! Just take a
look at the facts:
Master System - Died due to lack of GOOD software
Genesis - The ONLY good Sega system (But, the SNES has equal if not
more software, and came out a year or two later)
GameGear - Fairly supported (the GameBoy has a MUCH bigger library)
SegaCD - Lack of Software (good software)...died
32X - Dying due to lack of Software period! Good or bad
Saturn - Also doing poorly due to lack of software (only 6-7 in 3
months)
Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
*Why would anyone pay $180-$200 for a portable genesis? Just to play it
anywhere?
BTW, it requires SIX AA batteries which ONLY last three hours. Which
Nhat-viet Phi
: vega...@ix.netcom.com (Vega Bros. ) writes:
: >Remember Turbo Express ? That was a portable Turbo
: >Graphix 16, which played the SAME games. When the TG16 died, so did the
: >T-Express.
: The TG-16 never got going in this country because it was
: underpowered and it never developed a good software base. The T-Express
: was released too soon after the TG-16, it could only play the game cards
: (not the whole game base), and it was too expensive. Of course it died.
Sure, this is just idle rambling, but I gotta get my two cents' in.
Some marketing jerkoffs at NEC or TTI decided that all those neat
Japanese PC-Engine games wouldn't stand a chance if translated and
released in North America... Wrong! There is a small but very fervent NEC
following in North America (I happen to have a TurboDuo, TurboExpress and
SNES), and the die-hard TG owners maintain that their systems compare
very favorably to SNES/Genesis and Gameboy/GameGear.
Ah, the pain of pioneering technology: the hardware is expensive and the
developers are wary...
: The Master System had a wealth of good software, but it was
: marketed very poorly.
Bad marketing tends to kill a LOT of good intentions. Naturally.
: The GameBoy came first, so that makes sense. Hell, I bought a
: GameBoy when it was new, because I couldn't afford a Lynx. I sold it a
: month later because I was supremely dissatisfied with the unit and the
: games.
So, I take it you prefer Lynx over TurboExpress? Ever compared really
good Lynx games to really good TE games?
: >Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
: That's the benefit...I don't understand why you can't see that.
Well, hey - I would never own a Genesis (because I already own a SNES)
but I understand the potential popularity of this Nomad concept.
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Nhat-viet Phi
: I sold my Genesis and games a couple of years ago to move on, but
: until the very last day I owned the thing, I regularly played games that
: I purchased when the Genesis first came out. Ghouls n' Ghosts, Revenge
: of Shinobi, Space Harrier II...I'd love to play those again. How often
: do you sit down to a nice game of Super Mario World or Pilotwings?
Bad analogies! If you really wanted to put down SNES games, you should
compare the Genesis sports library to that of the SNES. Otherwise, the
output is comparable. How about Super Metroid, Space Megaforce, UN
Squadron, Aero Fighters, Alien 3, Cybernator, Desert Strike, Lemmings,
Mortal Kombat II (mwahahahaaaa...), Rock n' Roll Racing etc. etc.
Vega Bros.
>: Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
>
it
>: anywhere?
>
>That's exactly why, dimwit.
Sal Manfredonia
: *The game cards were the games...there wasn't any carts. Besides, the
: point is, that people will not spend MORE for something that's old.
: for?
: >
: >>Why would anyone develop for the Nomad if they stopped developing for
: the
: >>Genesis?
: >
: > Because they already have the development kits, they know the
: >machine, and the Nomad can do more than any other color portable on
: the
: >market...
: *The Nomad is a Genesis in a small box. If developers STOP making
: Genesis games (which ARE Nomad's games), then how can you possibly
: think that more people will make games for the Nomad? Why wouldn't they
: just continue to make Genesis games?
But that's one of the neat things about the situation with Nomad. By
transforming the tried-and-true Genesis into a handheld--which would be
the most powerful handheld out, with the biggest library of proven
hits--Sega can actually extend the life of the Genesis. The whole point
is that developers can make the SAME game for people with the "old"
system (Genesis) and the new portable (Nomad). They don't have to make
separate games--there's no NEED to.
: >>Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
: >
: > That's the benefit...I don't understand why you can't see that.
: >What about people who have never owned a Genesis?
: *People who don't own a Genesis by now, won't get $100+ one.
Well, I've never owned a Genesis (got Jaguar and SNES instead), but I've
always considered the Genesis to be a great machine with some great games
that you can't get anywhere else. I'm also a big fan of handhelds (I have
a Lynx and Game Gear, and used to own Game Boy as well). Combine the two
concepts and you have a machine like the Nomad which sounds like a winner
in my book.
Actually, what I'd REALLY like is a handheld Jaguar, but I doubt that
will happen anytime soon. :)
: >The Nomad will have a
: >huge base of software for them to choose from, and all new development
: >will use the machine to its full extent, because the programmers are
: >already completely familiar with it.
: *What are you talking about? ALL NEW development?! NO developer is
: working on Nomad games, Nomad games DO NOT exist. Nomad plays Genesis
: games, so if you want to play your Nomad, you'll need to buy a Genesis
: game (NOT a Nomad game).
No sh*t, Sherlock. They're not making games ONLY for the Nomad because
they don't have to. They can make the SAME EXACT CARTRIDGE that will work
on both Genesis and Nomad. That's the whole POINT of creating the Nomad
in the first place!
I know this is probably way over your head, but I'm hoping you'll get the
idea anyway.
: Remember the Nomad isn't new in ANY way, it's
: simply a Small genesis (like the CDX). BTW, the CDX was a portable
: Genesis and CD that sold for $300...yet it's sold VERY BAD. So what
: makes you so sure that people will buy a protable Genesis for $200? If
: people didn't think the idea of a portable genesis was good then...they
: won't now.
: Remember- Nomad play Genesis games ONLY, so when Genesis games die
: out...Nomad games will too. It's very simple.
I'm sorry, but I really get the feeling that if Nintendo announced a
handheld SNES, you hypocrites (Vega Bros.) would be excited to the point
of orgasm.
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nathan stehle
Let's examine what a moron thinks like:
>Master System - Died due to lack of GOOD software
Died because of Nintendo's corrupt business practices. For which they only
got a slap on the wrist. Sega had no third-party companies because of
Nintendo's business tactics. The SMS was way better than the NES, and
Nintendo was afraid.
>Genesis - The ONLY good Sega system (But, the SNES has equal if not
> more software, and came out a year or two later)
Great system that was (and still is) pushed to the limits. The best sports
library to boot.
>GameGear - Fairly supported (the GameBoy has a MUCH bigger library)
Well supported, had COLOR (something Nintendo hates) and a back-lit screen.
Oooh.... Now I can play Game Boy games on my TV.
>SegaCD - Lack of Software (good software)...died
Yes, its support was weak. It isn't dead..... Oh, wait... I forgot! You
don't have a clue!!!!! Lunar: Eternal Blue shows me why Nintendo is
stupid for getting a CD as well wiping the floor with that toliet paper FF3.
>32X - Dying due to lack of Software period! Good or bad
Sega has always been slow, but their strength is coming. Problem is convincing
third-party companies.
>Saturn - Also doing poorly due to lack of software (only 6-7 in 3
> months)
You cannot count! There are 11 out (or so) now! Third party compnaies need
to make games. Sega is not wholly repsonsible.
>Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
>*Why would anyone pay $180-$200 for a portable genesis? Just to play it
>anywhere?
Becuase they will want to sell ther Genesis and keep their library. It
also can be hooked up to the TV without extra adapters. And I am considering
it, but not for a year, a least.
>BTW, it requires SIX AA batteries which ONLY last three hours. Which
>means that a A/C Adpater will be needed.
The same for most COLOR poratbles. Which means a battery pack is needed.
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"Early to be and early to rise, makes a man stupid and blind in the eyes."
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cro...@ibm.net
>**Well, its a portable Genesis. It's not something worth your money
>since the support for the genesis is greatly declining (UNlike the SNES
You're right. Sega has moved out of the crappy 16-bit realm into the
32-bit greener pastures.
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Victor Monterroza
SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA
SSSSSSUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!KI is the best fighting game ever.Segas
RPGS suck.Shining force is not even 1/10th as good as FF3,FF2,or Chrono
Trigger.
The Mick
Firstly- It's a portable BASE unit Genesis, as well, since it hooks up
to a video inputs. -GREAT- for vacation trips, school,
television-equipped cars ;), etc.
(I was on a plane that, I believe, had video input up in first class,
also.)
Secondly- Providing Nomad gets a sizable base, it'll prolong the
Genesis' lifespan indefinitely- think; HUNDREDS of developers already
-know- how to develop good, playable Genesis games, and now they'll
continue to have a burgeoning market to produce games for- *portable*.
As was stated earlier, there are too many GB games out there, and their
numbers are growing. ;)
The price does need to go down, though; that's for sure...
Asher
Jonathan Miller
>
>
>>: Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
>>: *Why would anyone pay $180-$200 for a portable genesis? Just to play
>it
>>: anywhere?
>>
>
>You can't be seriuos! You would actually pay $100 just to play your OLD
>Genesis games anywhere? That's hard to believe...
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Jeremy Haines
>SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA
>SSSSSSUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!KI is the best fighting game ever.Segas
>RPGS suck.Shining force is not even 1/10th as good as FF3,FF2,or Chrono
>Trigger.
At last, an intelligent response from the postpubescent gaming
public. And he was even courteous enough to quote back the entire
article...thanks for your input, Vic.
Victor Monterroza
writes:
>Victor Monterroza (mon...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>> SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS
SEGA
>> SSSSSSUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!KI is the best fighting game
ever.Segas
>> RPGS suck.Shining force is not even 1/10th as good as FF3,FF2,or
Chrono
>> Trigger.
>
>
>P.S. Why compare Shining Force to a bunch of RPGs? It's not an
>RPG; it's a strategy game. That's like comparing Mortal Kombat and
>Daytona USA.
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Why does every magazine that reviewed Shining Force say it was an
RPG.The Phantasy Star series also sucks.SEGA SUCK SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS
SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SSSSSEEEEEEGGGGGAAAAA
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUCCCCKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Sal Manfredonia
: Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
: *Why would anyone pay $180-$200 for a portable genesis? Just to play it
: anywhere?
That's exactly why, dimwit.
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VirtuaGuy
an exclusive contract to Toys R Us to sell a limited release of the Sega
Nomad
in October (150,000 units). Once these are sold out, there will not be
anymore
until Feb or Mar.96!! The comment was made that this was a bad decision
on Sega's part (ala Saturn limited release) but, being the consumer, what
the fuck do I care about the little guy or the big guy stocking it? In the
end, I get to purchase it early and that's all that matters.
Gumby Damnit!
> >up their hands and quit the business instead of shifting to the
> Genesis
> >development kits that they already own...right...
>
> *The GameGear had it's OWN library of games. When the Genesis games die
> out, the Nomad's games will die out.
I think that the NOMAD will breath SOME life into the development of
GENESIS games...
When you think about it...the GAME GEAR is "essentially" a handheld
SEGA MASTER system. The GAME GEAR continues to do well even though
the MASTER SYSTEM "died" quite some time ago.
Many people who have a library of games for the GENESIS may buy a
NOMAD to play them on. It may also bring in a whole new lot of buyers
simply because of its portability.
As for the price...$179-$199 isn't that bad compared to the price of
the GAME GEAR $99-$129.
Vega Bros.
*Remember, Nomad games ARE Genesis games. Developers are NEVER going to
make Nomad-only games, (since the Nomad is a Genesis). So when the
Genesis games stop, Nomad games stop. Most developers are moving on to
32/64-bit machines. I doubt that in the next year or so, we'll see many
16-bit games. The Nomad is intended for travelers who wanted a Genesis,
but were always on the go. But since the Nomad run on SIX AA batteries,
which only last three hours, a A/C adapter is essentially a MUST.
I doubt that people will spend $200 for a Genesis, when they can get a
Ultra 64 (with a game) for $50 more or a PlayStation for $100 more.
Really, would anyone rather have a 16-bit Genesis (with old games)
instead of a brand new 32-bit PlayStation for $100 more? or a Ultra 64
for $50 more? IMHO, I think no one would.
Vega Bros.
>
>>Master System - Died due to lack of GOOD software
>
>Died because of Nintendo's corrupt business practices. For which they
only
>got a slap on the wrist. Sega had no third-party companies because of
>Nintendo's business tactics. The SMS was way better than the NES, and
>Nintendo was afraid.
*Is that why the Genesis did well? What happened to Nintendo's corrupt
business practices? Is this what you do, make excuses up?
>>Genesis - The ONLY good Sega system (But, the SNES has equal if not
>> more software, and came out a year or two later)
>
>Great system that was (and still is) pushed to the limits. The best
sports
>library to boot.
*That's it, ONLY sports. The SNES had the BEST RPG's, BEST Racers, best
Simulations, and BEST side-scrollers.
>>32X - Dying due to lack of Software period! Good or bad
>
>Sega has always been slow, but their strength is coming. Problem is
convincing
>third-party companies.
*That will be hard to do, especially when they are all working on
Saturn/ PlayStation and Ultra64 games.
Vega Bros.
die
>> out, the Nomad's games will die out.
>
>
>I think that the NOMAD will breath SOME life into the development of
>GENESIS games...
>
>When you think about it...the GAME GEAR is "essentially" a handheld
>SEGA MASTER system. The GAME GEAR continues to do well even though
>the MASTER SYSTEM "died" quite some time ago.
>
>Many people who have a library of games for the GENESIS may buy a
>NOMAD to play them on. It may also bring in a whole new lot of buyers
>simply because of its portability.
>
>As for the price...$179-$199 isn't that bad compared to the price of
>the GAME GEAR $99-$129.
*The GameGear was essentially a MasterSystem. But it needed programers
to make games for it (ALONE). While Nomad depends on Genesis games.
Vega Bros.
>: Genesis games (which ARE Nomad's games), then how can you possibly
>: think that more people will make games for the Nomad? Why wouldn't
they
>: just continue to make Genesis games?
>
>transforming the tried-and-true Genesis into a handheld--which would
be
>the most powerful handheld out, with the biggest library of proven
>hits--Sega can actually extend the life of the Genesis. The whole
point
>is that developers can make the SAME game for people with the "old"
>system (Genesis) and the new portable (Nomad).
*But developers have shown that they are getting tired of 16-bit games,
they're are moving on to 32/64-bit platforms.
>: *What are you talking about? ALL NEW development?! NO developer is
>: working on Nomad games, Nomad games DO NOT exist. Nomad plays
Genesis
>: games, so if you want to play your Nomad, you'll need to buy a
Genesis
>: game (NOT a Nomad game).
>
>No sh*t, Sherlock. They're not making games ONLY for the Nomad because
>they don't have to. They can make the SAME EXACT CARTRIDGE that will
work on both Genesis and Nomad. That's the whole POINT of creating the
Nomad
>in the first place!
*The fact is, that people will be playing OLD games on a $200 system.
Why not buy a brand new PlayStation for $100 more. Besides with a
3.5x3.5 window, Genesis games aren't going to look that good anyways.
>: Remember- Nomad play Genesis games ONLY, so when Genesis games die
>: out...Nomad games will too. It's very simple.
>
>I'm sorry, but I really get the feeling that if Nintendo announced a
>handheld SNES, you hypocrites (Vega Bros.) would be excited to the
point
>of orgasm.
*I'll tell you this much, if Nintendo did make on, I wouldn't buy one!
The ONLY way to take advantage of the Nomad would be if your on the
road all the time.
Don't you guys get it? The Nomad's library will die out soon. The
system is in NO WAY going to expand the life-spand of the Genesis.
Developer's are done with 16-bit, they're moving to better things.
Really, for $50 more you can get a Ultra 64 with a game.
Vega Bros.
>While I agree that many old 16-bit developers are moving on to bigger
and
>better things, there are still some who are interested in making cool
>16-bit games. I know you have defended the SNES as coming out with
some
>great 16-bit games in recent months and in the near future (which it
has),
>but I'd like to point out that the Genesis has some great games coming
also.
>
>Heck, there are still 8-BIT games being made. What do you think Game
Boy
>and Game Gear are?
*True. Sega should have released the Nomad a year ago, not now.
Now, everyone is excited about the news 32/64-bit machines on the way.
Besides at $200, you can buy a PSX instead for $100 more, or even yet a
Ultra 64 for $50 more.
>: Why not buy a brand new PlayStation for $100 more.
>
>I agree, and I did (but will have to wait until September 9th to pick
it
>up). Obviously if I could only pick one of the new systems (for this
>year) it would have to be the PlayStation. But I'm considering
acquiring
>a Nomad, too. Is there anything wrong with buying two new systems?
*Nope, I was considering a PSX and a U64 (best of both worlds :)).
Remember, I'm just telling you guys what I think.
>: Besides with a
>: 3.5x3.5 window, Genesis games aren't going to look that good
anyways.
>
>You don't have to play it on the small screen. You can hook it up to
the TV as well.
*That would be pointless though, since a $99 Genesis can do that. But
if you DON'T own a Genesis, then there's a nice option.
*IMHO, a $200 Genesis would not sell very well, since for $50 more you
can get a 64-bit Ultra 64 with a game.
Rick Worley
bought a Gameboy or Game Gear because the screen are awful and most of the
games are watered down versions of 16 bit games. The Genesis has physically
smaller game cartridges and a single fixed screen resolution so it may be
better candidate for a portable game system than SNES. Having a large
library a games available is advantageous. The SNES and Genesis have several
years of life left due large installed base (20 million each) and the high
cost of the next generation hardware ($250 and up).
Jeremy Haines
>How about Super Metroid,
Snore.
>Space Megaforce,
Haven't seen it.
>UN Squadron,
An uninspiring shooter.
>Aero Fighters,
Another uninspiring shooter.
>Alien 3,
Snore (for both versions).
>Cybernator,
Haven't seen it.
>Desert Strike,
I remember this being far better on the Genesis than on the SNES.
>Lemmings,
No mouse, no interest. And it's a PC port with no noticeable
improvements. You'll have to do better than that.
>Mortal Kombat II (mwahahahaaaa...),
Sold my Genesis before this one came around, but I hear that the
SNES version blew away the competition. I did exclude the most recent
batches of software from my generalization in the original post, if you
remember.
>Rock n' Roll Racing
Haven't played it.
I have never seen anything on the SNES that particularly impressed
me, though I haven't looked for the last year or two. In my experience,
the Genesis version of any game had the best gameplay of the two, more
than making up for the slightly inferior graphics. If that opinion has
become obsolete, so be it...but it was perfectly valid for as long as I
owned the machine.
Marty Chinn
: Because they already have the development kits, they know the
: machine, and the Nomad can do more than any other color portable on the
: market...not to mention the fact that it will instantly have the largest
: software base of any portable system.
Actually that has yet to be seen. Until Nomad is out we won't know if its
better than a Turbo Express or not which personally I think is the best
portable color system out there. However what makes you think that
companies will still make Genesis games with the new systems coming out.
I pretty much think when the Genesis games stop, you won't see games
being made for Nomad. Simply put when Genesis dies, so does Nomad.
: >Genesis - The ONLY good Sega system (But, the SNES has equal if not
: > more software, and came out a year or two later)
: The Genesis has a better percentage of good games than the SNES
: ever will. That's all that matters, especially when they have a
: comparably sized game base.
Geez don't make such utterly stupid claims like the one above. This will
set a war. Both systems have an EQUAL ammount aof good and bad games. No
one system has an advantage. But hey if you want to start listing good
Genesis games, I will start listing good SNES games.
: >GameGear - Fairly supported (the GameBoy has a MUCH bigger library)
: The GameBoy came first, so that makes sense. Hell, I bought a
: GameBoy when it was new, because I couldn't afford a Lynx. I sold it a
: month later because I was supremely dissatisfied with the unit and the
: games.
Inconsistancy here. The Genesis was out two years earlier than the SNES
but they have the same ammount of games. Game Boy does have a larger
library and is probably more supported than Game Gear. Simple as that.
: >32X - Dying due to lack of Software period! Good or bad
: If the public rejects the pricey consoles, the 32X could be
: Sega's ace in the hole. If the public shells out the cash, Sega can
: always dump the 32X.
Ok how about this, what if the PlayStation takes off but the Saturn
doesn't to the level of the PSX, then what does Sega have?
: It's been in a limited pre-release until today...cut it some
: slack. Developers were shooting for the September 2 launch, and Sega
: launched early. I'm surprised that they have as many games available as
: they do.
Agreed, give it some time.
: >Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
: That's the benefit...I don't understand why you can't see that.
: What about people who have never owned a Genesis? The Nomad will have a
: huge base of software for them to choose from, and all new development
: will use the machine to its full extent, because the programmers are
: already completely familiar with it.
I think the point is the Nomad is here one or two years too late. It
should have come out in the Genesis strong prime selling point rather
than its dying phase. And trust me you are not going to see companies
making games just for Nomad.
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Marty Chinn
: No, the point is that the TG-16 flopped in this country, so the
: overpriced portable version obviously followed suit. The cards couldn't
: hold enough information to allow games with any depth, and the CD
: attachment came too late (if at all, in this country) and cost too much
: to make a difference. The T-Express couldn't have used the CD's anyway,
: so it was stillborn.
Oh geez I'm not even going to talk about this. Just stay out of a topic
if you know nothing about it. In this case you know almost nothing about
the Turbo Grafx 16.
: The ability to play 600+ games anywhere we want, 1 player or 2,
: on the most powerful portable game system that will be available anytime
: soon.
TE is arguably more powerful than the Nomad.
: Obviously the Nomad games would work just fine on a Genesis, but
: the new games would be geared to the Nomad instead. Art would be
: designed to minimize motion blur and make the best use of the colors on
: the LCD screen, instead of catering to the TV-based market. There'd
: probably be less incentive to make 2-player games, too, since most Nomad
: users would play 1-player.
: Basically, console development would move to the next-gen
: consoles, and the Genesis development would change its focus to the Nomad
: (though the games could still be used in a Genesis).
Dude listen to what you're saying if games work on the Nomad, they work
on the Genesis. Nomad is a Genesis in the box. They stop Genesis games,
they stop Nomad games. Its an easy concept to grasp. Like you said
developers will move on to next generation system programming. To program
a Nomad game is pretty much, well not pretty much, it is programming a
Genesis game.
: >*That's garbage, tell me any Genesis game that will compare to:
: >Chrono Trigger
: Haven't seen it, can't comment.
It sounds like you haven't seen much from what you post.
: >Killer Instinct
: Arcade version was eye candy and nothing else, SNES version is
: understandably inferior in some ways, so it's even worse. Try playing a
: real fighting game sometime, like the Street Fighter or Virtua Fighter
: series, or Mortal Kombat II. I've also heard good things about the
: Samurai Shodown series, but I haven't played any of those.
Geez you really don't play much do you....
: >DKC or DKC2
: Short, repetitive eye candy...fast becoming a Nintendo
: trademark. Give me an average-looking, remotely interesting game any day.
Hmm and why should I assume you've played DKC2?
: >Yoshi's Island
: Haven't seen it, can't comment.
Just like about everything else and yet in some cases you comment when
you still haven't seen.
: Genesis games that trounce anything on the SNES in the same
: timeframe? I'll start at the beginning and stop when I get bored:
: Herzog Zwei, ThunderForce III, Lightening Force, Revenge of
: Shinobi, Shinobi III, Phantasy Star II, Granada, John Madden Football
: (I), Sonic, Sonic 2, Road Rash (I), Streets of Rage 2...ok, I'm bored.
Gradius, Space Megaforce, Final Fantsy 2, Super Mario World, F-Zero,
Final Fantasy 3, Secret of Mana, Final Fight, Contra 3, Street Fighter 2,
Castlevania 4, Perfect 11, Yoshi's Island, Chrono Trigger, Mortal Kombat
2.... and I can go on....
: Sure, some later SNES games beat some earlier Genesis games, and
: some very recent SNES stuff beats the Genesis equivalent, but the Genesis
: has a far higher percentage of good games than the SNES does...and in all
: but the most recent batches of games that came out for both systems, the
: Genesis version would win hands-down in gameplay.
This is completely wrong.
Matt Wetzler
>*True. Sega should have released the Nomad a year ago, not now.
>Now, everyone is excited about the news 32/64-bit machines on the way.
>Besides at $200, you can buy a PSX instead for $100 more, or even yet a
>Ultra 64 for $50 more.
>*That would be pointless though, since a $99 Genesis can do that. But
>if you DON'T own a Genesis, then there's a nice option.
>
>*IMHO, a $200 Genesis would not sell very well, since for $50 more you
>can get a 64-bit Ultra 64 with a game.
i'll start off as saying i have no intention of buying a nomad. the only
reason being i don't travel that much. i got a game gear but haven't
used it as much as i thought i would. ther, now that that's out of the
way. you (vega bros.) make some very valid points that i truly hadn't
thought of. but you really only need to post your opinion once. i've
read three replies by you so far that say almost the exact same thing.
not to knock your points any as i have said they are valid points that
people should probably know before purchasing a nomad it's just thatit's
somewhat annoying to read essentially the same thing three times. sorry
to take up aynbodies time further.
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Sal Manfredonia
: >: *The Nomad is a Genesis in a small box. If developers STOP making
: >: Genesis games (which ARE Nomad's games), then how can you possibly
: >: think that more people will make games for the Nomad? Why wouldn't
: they
: >: just continue to make Genesis games?
: >
: >But that's one of the neat things about the situation with Nomad. By
: >transforming the tried-and-true Genesis into a handheld--which would
: be
: >the most powerful handheld out, with the biggest library of proven
: >hits--Sega can actually extend the life of the Genesis. The whole
: point
: >is that developers can make the SAME game for people with the "old"
: >system (Genesis) and the new portable (Nomad).
: *But developers have shown that they are getting tired of 16-bit games,
: they're are moving on to 32/64-bit platforms.
While I agree that many old 16-bit developers are moving on to bigger and
better things, there are still some who are interested in making cool
16-bit games. I know you have defended the SNES as coming out with some
great 16-bit games in recent months and in the near future (which it has),
but I'd like to point out that the Genesis has some great games coming also.
Heck, there are still 8-BIT games being made. What do you think Game Boy
and Game Gear are?
: >: *What are you talking about? ALL NEW development?! NO developer is
: >: working on Nomad games, Nomad games DO NOT exist. Nomad plays
: Genesis
: >: games, so if you want to play your Nomad, you'll need to buy a
: Genesis
: >: game (NOT a Nomad game).
: >
: >No sh*t, Sherlock. They're not making games ONLY for the Nomad because
: >they don't have to. They can make the SAME EXACT CARTRIDGE that will
: work on both Genesis and Nomad. That's the whole POINT of creating the
: Nomad
: >in the first place!
: *The fact is, that people will be playing OLD games on a $200 system.
They will play OLD Genesis games as well as NEW Genesis games.
: Why not buy a brand new PlayStation for $100 more.
I agree, and I did (but will have to wait until September 9th to pick it
up). Obviously if I could only pick one of the new systems (for this
year) it would have to be the PlayStation. But I'm considering acquiring
a Nomad, too. Is there anything wrong with buying two new systems?
: Besides with a
: 3.5x3.5 window, Genesis games aren't going to look that good anyways.
You don't have to play it on the small screen. You can hook it up to the
TV as well. But I like the handhelds, and I don't have a problem with my
eyesight, so the small screen isn't a problem with me. Having the choice
of using the small screen or a normal TV is a BIG advantage for the Nomad.
: >: Remember- Nomad play Genesis games ONLY, so when Genesis games die
: >: out...Nomad games will too. It's very simple.
: >
: >I'm sorry, but I really get the feeling that if Nintendo announced a
: >handheld SNES, you hypocrites (Vega Bros.) would be excited to the
: point
: >of orgasm.
: *I'll tell you this much, if Nintendo did make on, I wouldn't buy one!
: The ONLY way to take advantage of the Nomad would be if your on the
: road all the time.
: Don't you guys get it? The Nomad's library will die out soon. The
: system is in NO WAY going to expand the life-spand of the Genesis.
: Developer's are done with 16-bit, they're moving to better things.
: Really, for $50 more you can get a Ultra 64 with a game.
You don't get it, do you? Yesterday's home console technology can be
recycled into today's handhelds. We saw that a few years ago with Game
Boy and Game Gear; now that home consoles have moved up a notch or two,
it's about time the handhelds did the same. This time around, we're
talking about a handheld that will have over 600 games available from Day
One. Hopefully, a few years from now (or even sooner would be nice :) ),
we'll be able to play our PlayStation, Saturn, Jaguar, or 3DO games on
handheld systems.
That's what I call progress.
Lee Saito
: Jeremy Haines (haines...@cs.yale.edu) wrote:
: : No, the point is that the TG-16 flopped in this country, so the
: : overpriced portable version obviously followed suit. The cards couldn't
: : hold enough information to allow games with any depth, and the CD
: : attachment came too late (if at all, in this country) and cost too much
: : to make a difference. The T-Express couldn't have used the CD's anyway,
: : so it was stillborn.
: Oh geez I'm not even going to talk about this. Just stay out of a topic
: if you know nothing about it. In this case you know almost nothing about
: the Turbo Grafx 16.
I'm going to have to agree with Jeremy here, since, to put it simply, the
Genesis beats out the TG-16 in terms of specs. Sound, graphics, scrolling,
everything with the possible exception of colors. And Jeremy brings up a
valid point, very few HuCard games were bigger than 6 megabits (a notable
exception would be SF2' at 20 megabits).
Of course, that doesn't keep you from liking the NEC games more. And I
think Jeremy's assessment was right on the money, NEC really didn't make
too much of a dent in this country, so the TE, while an excellent idea, was
doomed to failure from the start.
(Although Jeremy was wrong about the TG-CD, it came out at system launch,
but the price was, shall we say, prohibitive...$200 for the system + $300
for the CD...ouch...)
: : The ability to play 600+ games anywhere we want, 1 player or 2,
: : on the most powerful portable game system that will be available anytime
: : soon.
: TE is arguably more powerful than the Nomad.
I'd be interested to see how you'd back this up. The Genesis has more
RAM, a faster CPU, more layers of hardware scrolling, more sprites
on screen, a better sound chip, etc.
After all, the Genesis was designed a year after the PC Engine...
: : Obviously the Nomad games would work just fine on a Genesis, but
: : the new games would be geared to the Nomad instead. Art would be
: : designed to minimize motion blur and make the best use of the colors on
: : the LCD screen, instead of catering to the TV-based market. There'd
: : probably be less incentive to make 2-player games, too, since most Nomad
: : users would play 1-player.
: : Basically, console development would move to the next-gen
: : consoles, and the Genesis development would change its focus to the Nomad
: : (though the games could still be used in a Genesis).
: Dude listen to what you're saying if games work on the Nomad, they work
: on the Genesis. Nomad is a Genesis in the box. They stop Genesis games,
: they stop Nomad games. Its an easy concept to grasp. Like you said
: developers will move on to next generation system programming. To program
: a Nomad game is pretty much, well not pretty much, it is programming a
: Genesis game.
Marty, the Master System is dead. Kaput. They don't even make 'em
anymore. But does that stop developers from making Game Gear games?
: : Sure, some later SNES games beat some earlier Genesis games, and
: : some very recent SNES stuff beats the Genesis equivalent, but the Genesis
: : has a far higher percentage of good games than the SNES does...and in all
: : but the most recent batches of games that came out for both systems, the
: : Genesis version would win hands-down in gameplay.
: This is completely wrong.
This is Jeremy's opinion, and he's certainly entitled to it. Just because
you disagree doesn't make it "completely wrong." Personally, I thought the
early Genesis games were better than the early SNES games, but both systems
have come a long way since then, and the SNES games coming out now do tend
to be better than their Genesis equivalents.
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>>**Well, its a portable Genesis. It's not something worth your money
>>since the support for the genesis is greatly declining (UNlike the SNES
I count 46 new titles being released for Genesis between now and January. The consumer base for Genesis is so large, third party co=
mpanies could produce only games for Genesis for years and still make a handsome profit. And there are over 600 Genesis titles on t=
he market.
I don't think support is declining too rapidly...
--Aimee
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just announced their final NES title a few months ago. That was five years
after the 16-bit market started. You can expect at least the same curve to
apply for Sega since we have even more support for the 16-bit market with items
like the Nomad and the Sega Channel.
-- Michael Latham, Sega of America
MCnDaHouse
and the Nomad will be the new standard in handhelds with it's huge
library of Genesis games.
The Game Gear is a Sega Master System. Remember?
MC
Ray Hopkins
On 3 Sep 1995, Victor Monterroza wrote:
> In <42d0e1$l...@terrazzo.lm.com> sey...@telerama.lm.com (Seymont)
> writes:
> >
> >Victor Monterroza (mon...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> >> SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS
> SEGA
> >> SSSSSSUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!KI is the best fighting game
> ever.Segas
> >> RPGS suck.Shining force is not even 1/10th as good as FF3,FF2,or
> Chrono
> >> Trigger.
> >
> >...and they said inbreeding wouldn't work!
> >
> >P.S. Why compare Shining Force to a bunch of RPGs? It's not an
> >RPG; it's a strategy game. That's like comparing Mortal Kombat and
> >Daytona USA.
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> > Baaaa! Minoc! *splat* | Seymont @ FurToonia | Ultima Dragons Int'net
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> Why does every magazine that reviewed Shining Force say it was an
> RPG.The Phantasy Star series also sucks.SEGA SUCK SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS
> SEGA SUCKS SEGA SUCKS SSSSSEEEEEEGGGGGAAAAA
> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUCCCCKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
You're the same dumbass who said he had a LEDboy (Virtual Boy) with
Killer Instinct and MK3. Someone needs to cut your tongue out and hack
off your fingers, Mr. Ponderosa.
Mark Rathwell
Ahh ... the world of ethnocentricism is in action here. It died
in North America, but the lack of software wasn't the only problem.
Nintendo's questionable business practices had a lot to do with it. And
FYI, the world isn't the United States. In Europe, the SMS went on for
many years and absolutely slaughtered the NES there.
: GameGear - Fairly supported (the GameBoy has a MUCH bigger library)
Maybe some people don't want to settle for that low tech portable.
>> Mark <<
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Mark Rathwell
: business practices? Is this what you do, make excuses up?
Because Atari launched a 160 million dollar suit against Nintendo
for these business practices, because Toys R. Us complained to the US
trade commission about Nintendo threatening them if they carried
competition, because Nintendo got investigated for price fixing and
because Tengen and other third party developers complained about
Nintendo's straight jacket. This all happened in the same time frame
(right around the early life of the Genesis) and a terrified Nintendo
backed away from most of the things they were doing. Now what's your excuse?
Marty Chinn
: Marty, the Master System is dead. Kaput. They don't even make 'em
: anymore. But does that stop developers from making Game Gear games?
Thats the thing though. Game Gear was never brought out to be a portable
Master System. Sure there was an adaptor, but the idea around it was
never to be a portable master system in the general public's mind. Even
the cartridges look different. In the case of the Nomad, it will be
viewed as a portable Genesis since that is its main focus.
: : This is completely wrong.
: This is Jeremy's opinion, and he's certainly entitled to it. Just because
: you disagree doesn't make it "completely wrong." Personally, I thought the
: early Genesis games were better than the early SNES games, but both systems
: have come a long way since then, and the SNES games coming out now do tend
: to be better than their Genesis equivalents.
I know its his opinion, nothing wrong with that, I just think its wrong
of him to push his opinion as fact.
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Jeremy Haines
>TE is arguably more powerful than the Nomad.
So is the Lynx, but both the Lynx and TE are dead, so they are
irrelevant. Nomad stomps every true portable that is being actively
marketed in this country.
>Dude listen to what you're saying if games work on the Nomad, they work
>on the Genesis. Nomad is a Genesis in the box. They stop Genesis games,
>they stop Nomad games. Its an easy concept to grasp. Like you said
>developers will move on to next generation system programming. To program
>a Nomad game is pretty much, well not pretty much, it is programming a
>Genesis game.
"Dude", are you assuming that portable development will either
end or stick with the Game Gear and Game Boy indefinitely? Of course
not. Yesterday's console can become today's portable. It costs less and
will produce better games.
Console developers will move to next-gen consoles, and portable
developers will move to next-gen portables (one of which happens to be a
Genesis). What is difficult to understand about that?
>It sounds like you haven't seen much from what you post.
If I wanted to look at Nintendo through rose-colored glasses, I'd
buy a Virtual Boy...or I'd believe the propaganda you've spewed as long as
I've been on Usenet.
>Geez you really don't play much do you....
I don't play KI much because it's a substandard fighting game.
If you're trying to say that I must not know much about video games
because I don't like KI, then you're being pathetically dogmatic.
>Hmm and why should I assume you've played DKC2?
Please educate us on all of the astonishing differences in the
sequel...then you won't have to assume anything.
>Just like about everything else and yet in some cases you comment when
>you still haven't seen.
That's interesting grammar...
>Super Mario World
Get real. Even Alex Kidd had more variety than that game.
>Final Fantasy 3
I prefer the Phantasy Star series, but of course, I must be wrong.
>Final Fight
I'll give you that one. SOR2 was better, but it came later and
borrowed a lot from that game.
>Street Fighter 2
Genesis SF2:SCE was better than SNES SF2, in my opinion, but the
SNES followups in that series were better than the Genesis counterparts.
By the way, I'd say that those followups qualify as being in "recent
batches".
>Yoshi's Island, Chrono Trigger, Mortal Kombat 2...
As I said, the most recent SNES stuff has been noticeably better
than the Genesis equivalents...but before that, the Genesis versions had
far better gameplay (EA sports, MK1, etc.). Unfortunately, if you'll
remember, you labeled the paragraph that said those things as being
GREG HJELSTROM
: Nomad - Has the Genesis's EXACT games
: *Why would anyone pay $180-$200 for a portable genesis? Just to play it
: anywhere?
I would buy a portable genesis in a second. I've got lots of fun games
for the genesis that would be great for those long trips. A portable snes
would be cool too.
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GREG HJELSTROM
: *The Nomad is a Genesis in a small box. If developers STOP making
: Genesis games (which ARE Nomad's games), then how can you possibly
: think that more people will make games for the Nomad? Why wouldn't they
: just continue to make Genesis games?
Developers make games if they think that there are people who will buy them
simple as that. Now if the Nomad becomes the premier portable system,
then people most certainly want games and buy them.
You listed several SNES games which you like, wouldn't you like to be able
to play them on a portable? All of the 16bit systems in their current
form are going to die soon. A portable version however sounds very cool
to me.
Matt Wetzler
>: *Is that why the Genesis did well? What happened to Nintendo's corrupt
>: business practices? Is this what you do, make excuses up?
>
> Because Atari launched a 160 million dollar suit against Nintendo
>for these business practices, because Toys R. Us complained to the US
>trade commission about Nintendo threatening them if they carried
>competition, because Nintendo got investigated for price fixing and
>because Tengen and other third party developers complained about
>Nintendo's straight jacket. This all happened in the same time frame
>(right around the early life of the Genesis) and a terrified Nintendo
>backed away from most of the things they were doing. Now what's your excuse?
>
> >> Mark <<
very precise list mark! and to just add to th price fixing. being found
guilty of that practice by the attourney general in every one of the
contigous united states! just adding my info. later!
Eugene Bolton
FROM PRODIGY AND AOL, BUT NOT THE NEWSGROUPS!!!
Sega's RPG's suck?? what about Riglordsaga?? KI is the best fighting
game huh? oh yeah, i love those press 5 buttons and get an insta-500
combo. Oh yeah, that definatly is the best. Yep, TSD and VF2 can't
beat that. No way, TSD has terrible graphics and terrable gameplay.
GET A LIFE. KI is the worst fighting game i have EVER played. I hate
the combo system. The graphics are nice, but well, they just don't
make up for the sad combo system.
harpua
Eugene Bolton
harpua
Eugene Bolton
I think alot of them are still great (as lame as it may sound) such
as pifall, star destroyer, ect, ect
ftw
Vega Bros. <vega...@ix.netcom.com* wrote:
[TG-16 what happened? and Nomad args deleted]
*> The Master System had a wealth of good software, but it was
*>marketed very poorly. The 3D glasses were fantastic...and they
*produced a COLOR image, unlike the lovely reds of the VB.
*
**Is that why the 3D glasses were SO popular?
They were expensive for their time, and (unfortunately) due to the lack of
3rd party licenses, had only about 7 games. I own 6 of the 7. All 6 are a
blast and I will never sell :-).
*> The Genesis has a better percentage of good games than the SNES
*>ever will. That's all that matters, especially when they have a
*>comparably sized game base.
*
**That's garbage, tell me any Genesis game that will compare to:
*
*Chrono Trigger Killer Instinct DKC or DKC2 Yoshi's Island
*
*Those games EASILY beat any Genesis game, wasn't DKC the fastest
*selling game of all time? 7.5 million....hmmm...that's ALOT!
boys, Boys, BOYS! As this issue has been bashed around here too many times
already, lets recognize that BOTH platforms offer some awesome games that will
impress/satisfy ANY 'true gamer'. We will be here all year with the same
thread if we start comparing games again.... So please, lets NOT.
*
[more nomad and nomad .vs. Virtual Boy stuff deleted]
*
*Remember- Nomad play Genesis games ONLY, so when Genesis games die
*out...Nomad games will too. It's very simple.
Yes. but the games ARE still being made and there are many KICKA** games
that some people might like to play on the go. I do believe the price is
high on the Nomad (WAY too high, in fact.), but it is a FAR better value
even at $200 than the Virtual Boy since the Nomad offers hookup to your
TV like a regular genesis, and color in addition to its portability.
Yes, I have played the Virtual Boy. The games are 'okay', and Mario Tennis
is 'cutesy' but gets old quickly. The unit is cumbersome for regular use and
the lack of color is, IMHO, a HUGE factor. The 3D effect is nice, but I
would be surprised if many people shell out the money for one.
Tom
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Marty Chinn
: Vega Bros. (vega...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: : *Remember, Nomad games ARE Genesis games. Developers are NEVER going to
: : make Nomad-only games, (since the Nomad is a Genesis). So when the
: : Genesis games stop, Nomad games stop. Most developers are moving on to
: : 32/64-bit machines.
: ***REMEMBER Game gear games ARE MASTER SYSTEM GAMES.
: Master system is dead, game gear is not.
Remember, most people think Game Gear is its own system and most don't
know that its just a master system. With Nomad, its being brought out
with the idea of it being a Genesis. Difference.
: GET A CLUE!
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: "Fortunately you are wearing a hard helmet."
: "You feel wise!" Greg Hjelstrom - to...@nevada.edu
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Marty Chinn
: Marty Chinn (vids...@netcom.com) wrote:
: : Thats the thing though. Game Gear was never brought out to be a portable
: : Master System. Sure there was an adaptor, but the idea around it was
: : never to be a portable master system in the general public's mind. Even
: : the cartridges look different. In the case of the Nomad, it will be
: : viewed as a portable Genesis since that is its main focus.
: I don't understand, Marty...
: The Master System is dead. The Game Gear is a portable Master System
: (although they never promoted it as such). Game Gear still gets games
: despite its big brother's death.
Most people don't know the Game Gear is really a Master System. Even the
cartridges differ in size so most people won't make the connection.
However Nomad will take the Genesis carts and future carts will be
Genesis games basically. To keep this going would be like trying to keep
the Genesis going. Do you think Sega will make games for Nomad? To do so
would only try and make the Genesis go on but you know their focus is 32X
and Saturn. Same with other companies. Its a state of mind. Game Gear was
not a Master System in the mind of the public so it was ok since almost
nobody would make the connection, however Nomad will be seen as just a
portable Genesis. Same games, etc. Like you said its on its way out.
: The Genesis is on its way out. The Nomad is a portable Genesis (and will
: be marketed as such). Are you saying that the Nomad will get no new games
: simply because the games are the same size as Genesis games?
No, simply because its being marketed as a PORTABLE GENESIS, and as you
said, the Genesis is on its way out.
: That makes no sense, since the developers could be thinking, "Yeah, we're
: developing Nomad games, and it's gravy that we can also pitch our game to
: the millions of Genesis owners out there."
If the genesis is on its way out, you won't be having developers thinking
this way.
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Lee Saito
: Lee Saito (arg...@rhf.bradley.edu) wrote:
: : I don't understand, Marty...
: : The Master System is dead. The Game Gear is a portable Master System
: : (although they never promoted it as such). Game Gear still gets games
: : despite its big brother's death.
: Most people don't know the Game Gear is really a Master System. Even the
: cartridges differ in size so most people won't make the connection.
: However Nomad will take the Genesis carts and future carts will be
: Genesis games basically. To keep this going would be like trying to keep
: the Genesis going. Do you think Sega will make games for Nomad? To do so
: would only try and make the Genesis go on but you know their focus is 32X
: and Saturn. Same with other companies. Its a state of mind. Game Gear was
: not a Master System in the mind of the public so it was ok since almost
: nobody would make the connection, however Nomad will be seen as just a
: portable Genesis. Same games, etc. Like you said its on its way out.
What if Sega decided to cease production of the console Genesis?
Then the situation is analogous to the Game Gear one...except people will
say, "Wow, I can play all my old Genesis games on the Nomad!" and
developers will say "Wow, I can develop Nomad games, and people who still
own Genesis consoles can buy my game too!"
: : The Genesis is on its way out. The Nomad is a portable Genesis (and will
: : be marketed as such). Are you saying that the Nomad will get no new games
: : simply because the games are the same size as Genesis games?
: No, simply because its being marketed as a PORTABLE GENESIS, and as you
: said, the Genesis is on its way out.
: : That makes no sense, since the developers could be thinking, "Yeah, we're
: : developing Nomad games, and it's gravy that we can also pitch our game to
: : the millions of Genesis owners out there."
: If the genesis is on its way out, you won't be having developers thinking
: this way.
What I was saying is that the Genesis (home console) is on its way out.
Enter the Nomad.
The fundamental flaw in your argument is that you assume that:
1) The Nomad will fail, in terms of units sold.
2) People won't care that it will play their old games, or that there are
hundreds of titles available for it at launch.
3) Developers either won't care that any development they do for the Nomad
will be playable on the millions of Genesis consoles in homes, or will
feel that Nomad sales won't spur enough new software sales to make
development worthwhile.
I know that the appeal of the Nomad for me, personally, is that I will be
able to play all of those classic Genesis games, and, most importantly, SF2
with a 6-button controller on the road ;)
Lee Saito
: Thats the thing though. Game Gear was never brought out to be a portable
: Master System. Sure there was an adaptor, but the idea around it was
: never to be a portable master system in the general public's mind. Even
: the cartridges look different. In the case of the Nomad, it will be
: viewed as a portable Genesis since that is its main focus.
I don't understand, Marty...
The Master System is dead. The Game Gear is a portable Master System
(although they never promoted it as such). Game Gear still gets games
despite its big brother's death.
The Genesis is on its way out. The Nomad is a portable Genesis (and will
be marketed as such). Are you saying that the Nomad will get no new games
simply because the games are the same size as Genesis games?
That makes no sense, since the developers could be thinking, "Yeah, we're
developing Nomad games, and it's gravy that we can also pitch our game to
the millions of Genesis owners out there."
--
Brian J Langenberger
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IQ = 100 * (number of original lines / number of quoted lines)
Thus, this guy has an IQ hovering somewhere in the 10 range..
-tuffy
Marty Chinn
: "Dude", are you assuming that portable development will either
: end or stick with the Game Gear and Game Boy indefinitely? Of course
: not. Yesterday's console can become today's portable. It costs less and
: will produce better games.
Game Gear and Game Boy are different. Why? Cuz they were brought out with
their own set of games. Nomad is being brought out with the Genesis in
mind. There is a difference.
: >It sounds like you haven't seen much from what you post.
: If I wanted to look at Nintendo through rose-colored glasses, I'd
: buy a Virtual Boy...or I'd believe the propaganda you've spewed as long as
: I've been on Usenet.
You've probably never even seen one of these either.
: >Geez you really don't play much do you....
: I don't play KI much because it's a substandard fighting game.
: If you're trying to say that I must not know much about video games
: because I don't like KI, then you're being pathetically dogmatic.
I'm saying you seem to be saying a lot of times "Haven't seen it" I give
everything a shot, whether it be bad or good, I still play it for at
least a little bit to get some sort of feel for it.
: >Hmm and why should I assume you've played DKC2?
: Please educate us on all of the astonishing differences in the
: sequel...then you won't have to assume anything.
Well you said it wasn't good, and based on your experience in playing
various games, I have my doubts that you've played an unreleased game.
: >Super Mario World
: Get real. Even Alex Kidd had more variety than that game.
Matter of opinion....
: >Final Fantasy 3
: I prefer the Phantasy Star series, but of course, I must be wrong.
No you're not wrong, PS is a good series. PS4 came out a little late though.
: >Street Fighter 2
: Genesis SF2:SCE was better than SNES SF2, in my opinion, but the
: SNES followups in that series were better than the Genesis counterparts.
: By the way, I'd say that those followups qualify as being in "recent
: batches".
Well of course SF2:SCE was better than SF2, because to equivelant to
SF2:SCE on the Genesis would be SF2T:HF on the SNES.
: >Yoshi's Island, Chrono Trigger, Mortal Kombat 2...
: As I said, the most recent SNES stuff has been noticeably better
: than the Genesis equivalents...but before that, the Genesis versions had
: far better gameplay (EA sports, MK1, etc.). Unfortunately, if you'll
: remember, you labeled the paragraph that said those things as being
: "completely wrong."
No it was wrong of you to pass it off as fact. And sometimes I wonder how
valid your claim is when half the stuff yuou said you haven't played.
Geez you haven't even seen/played a 32X/Sega CD once either.
GREG HJELSTROM
: *Remember, Nomad games ARE Genesis games. Developers are NEVER going to
: make Nomad-only games, (since the Nomad is a Genesis). So when the
: Genesis games stop, Nomad games stop. Most developers are moving on to
: 32/64-bit machines.
***REMEMBER Game gear games ARE MASTER SYSTEM GAMES.
Master system is dead, game gear is not.
GET A CLUE!
Rick Worley
>Now, everyone is excited about the news 32/64-bit machines on the way.
>Besides at $200, you can buy a PSX instead for $100 more, or even yet a
>Ultra 64 for $50 more.
Maybe someday you can buy a Ultra 64. I plan on buying a Playstation soon.
But you cannot play either one in the car on a long trip. What I want is a
portable Genesis (Nomad) or a portable SNES, with a good LCD screen, and a
rechargable battery pack.
Eugene Bolton
say "look mommy, i can rent this for only $20!!!" Its really just a
piece of crap. I think the U64 is going to be great, and i love my
saturn, and i can't wait for the PSX, but THIS. VB is a pretty sad
portable (well, it isnt really portable now is it) system. Not worth
the money. if i had my choice, i'd pick 32X
Harpua
Eugene Bolton
saturn doesn't have too many game is becuase, well IT ISN"T THE REAL
LAUNCH!!! And games are coming. I'm waiting for grand chaser CK2, and
of course SHONOBI LEGIONS (yea!)
Harpua
Swedish Chef
Marty Chinn <vids...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Remember, most people think Game Gear is its own system and most don't
>know that its just a master system. With Nomad, its being brought out
>with the idea of it being a Genesis. Difference.
That isn't quite a hex for the Nomad. The Game Gear came out w/out
people knowing it was just a MS (w/ a bit of a modification on the 4096
palette). Everything was slammed on it because they thought it was an
underpowered system to come out. People were really expected Genesis+
quality on the grafx, sound, speed, etc. Now, people know that the Nomad
is the Genesis and won't be expecting something Saturn-quality from it.
I do understand that the Nomad should've been the Game Gear way back
when, but the Game Gear brought out a lot of games that were enjoyable
(and many were SMS games in Europe anyway).
The portable scene looks a little dimmer from the 2 major leaders' games
really looking dated now. The Game Boy just doesn't cut it anymore, and
the Game Gear is close to that because of quite a bit of blur (at least
it was colour). The TE would've been a great hit if it were released w/
a flow of good games. Maybe TTI or even Hudson could even respark the TE
by re-releasing it now and bringing over all of those great Japanese
PC-Engine games -- I really believe it would sell well even now if the
good games were released for it (but this is just a conjecture by my
part). The Genesis has games still coming out, and they probably will
come out w/ quite a bit of regularity for a time to come. I'm sure not a
lot of people are going to stop developing for a system w/ 16 million
units out there when the new systems aren't looking to make that many
sales all that soon. The SNES and Genesis were different stories. The
SMS wasn't a machine w/ great popularity here compared to the NES. For
the SNES, it sold at least a million units by the Christmas of it's
release year. The profits for making a SNES game vs a NES game weren't
as risky. This isn't saying that making a Saturn game wouldn't be
profitable for a developer, but the system doesn't have a huge user-base
and probably won't have a large one before 1996. None of the new systems
really will. (still, just my opinion, but not that many parents are gonna
fork over 300$ for a PS and buy a game or 2; or 400$ for a Sat w/ games.
Look how the SNES didn't hit it off as extremely well as expected -- even
though it did quite well early on). Now that I've lost a TON of people
by now, I must say that the profit margin for making a Genesis game (plus
the incoming Nomad which if 150k units are on sale, they are gonna go by
Christmas) will still be high. Also, with this new portable, people will
buy new games to play on the go even though tons are out there (which is
a huge plus for the system). What is the competition? Game Gear and
Game Boy. VB really isn't that portable and is quite cumbersome (I would
call it a home-vr system). The Lynx and TE really aren't in the
picture. What does that leave to really not make the Nomad a success?
Only the lack of games would do that. By the end of the year, Ms.
Cardwell states 47 games were coming out for the Genesis (or was the by
January? ... not a big difference in any case). That would be 650 games
to choose from (say about 300 really original titles considering update
sports games -- and same-type games like sport games). You also have:
portable SFII, portable EWJ, and portable _MKIII_. I am really thinking
about getting the Genesis version of MKIII if I know I can get a hold of
a Nomad. 2-player w/out 2 versions of the game and 2 machines also (that
is such a wonderful idea!). I would think that the lack of colours and
such would not be as apparent on a 3.5" screen either. Some GG games
look as colourful as Genesis games (until you have a close look at them).
My jist: the portable market is ready for an update. There are only 2
choices right now: VB and Nomad w/ VB kinda questionable as really a
portable upgrade (even though it is kinda fun to play -- just not to
carry around!). Upgrade is under 200$ and you probably won't have to buy
a game cos many people will have a Genesis, or many good games at Kay Bee
are only 15-20$ if you don't have a Genesis already. GG is 100$ and GB
is only 50$ (but really showing some big downgrades when you compare it
to a Genesis game -- for that matter, GG is the same way). I most
certainly would buy a PS or Saturn for 200$ as a system upgrade compared
to the 100$ systems out now (I do own both anyway, but that's not the
point), so why wouldn't people want to buy a Nomad when it is basically
the best unit out there at a reasonable price with incredible games
(something the TE lacked)? I still do think this should've been released
earlier, but it isn't too late now as I am very serious about getting one
as GG and GB games aren't very exciting compared to PS and Saturn games
that I play at home. I feel the Genesis games on the go would suffice
the thrill needed -- but that's just how I feel.
On a lighter note (if u r not asleep yet), how do you think the Nomad
would effect the sales of MKIII on the Genesis AND Game Gear. I wouldn't
dare buy the GG version knowing I could have a Genesis version I could
carry around AND play at home (altho the PS one is enticing, which I
might get as the home version I play anyway). The big negative thing for
the Nomad is that it will absolutely kill off the Game Gear sales REALLY
quickly (even tho it is supposedly able to play GG games -- but that
means you wouldn't have to buy a GG to play any original GG games either...)
I apologize for such a long post and hope I didn't repeat myself too much.
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>Marty Chinn Super Nintendo, Super Famicom, Genesis, Sega CD,
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The ATO Psycho
>: *Is that why the Genesis did well? What happened to Nintendo's corrupt
>: business practices? Is this what you do, make excuses up?
> Because Atari launched a 160 million dollar suit against Nintendo
>for these business practices, because Toys R. Us complained to the US
>trade commission about Nintendo threatening them if they carried
>competition, because Nintendo got investigated for price fixing and
>because Tengen and other third party developers complained about
>Nintendo's straight jacket. This all happened in the same time frame
>(right around the early life of the Genesis) and a terrified Nintendo
>backed away from most of the things they were doing. Now what's your excuse?
Kind of funny that this is also about the same time that the Genesis
started getting 3rd party support and really took off (just look at
its compitition at the time, the NES and Turbo).
Please reply with a public post instead of E-Mail.
The ATO Psycho
75234...@CompuServe.COM
David Kershner
Is it possible to go the other way,
build a converter to play GG games on the SMS?
(That way I won't have to go blind tryin' to
find a good setting on that durn non-active matrix
lcd screen)
I know this defeats the portability, but I find I
play my GG at home in bed in lieu of a good book.
BTW: Is the Nomad going to have a better screen?
I certainly hope so, or the extra resolution from
the Genesis games would be wasted.
My 2.5 cents,
-David Kershner
(d...@dtd.com)
nathan stehle
On 7 Sep 1995, Shidoshi wrote:
(Game Gear stuff deleted)
> Where in the HELL is this argument coming from?!? The Game Gear and
> Master System are two TOTALLY seperate systems. The similarity is they
> are both 8-bit. The Genesis and Nomad are the EXACT same thing. (save, of
> course, the Nomad is a portable) The MS being dead and the GG still
> having games have nothing to do with each other, at all.
>
The Game Gear is a SMS, although they did not market it as such, since
the SMS had a poor showing. The converters that were sold could have
been made by anyone with a little electronics experience. There is the
cart difference, but essentially they were/are the same.
Nathan Stehle, ISP #4
"Early to be and early to rise, makes a man stupid and blind in the eyes."
Mazer Rackham in Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game"
Jeremy Haines
>Game Gear and Game Boy are different. Why? Cuz they were brought out with
>their own set of games. Nomad is being brought out with the Genesis in
>mind. There is a difference.
Game Gear and Game Boy are showing their age, and portable gamers
will want to move on. Nomad is the only advanced portable that will be
available in the near future, and it has a huge library. I think that
having Genesis cartridges fit in the slot is an advantage, you don't.
We'll see who's right in due time. Let's leave it at that.
>You've probably never even seen one of these either.
Someone once said, "you can't refute a sneer." I can, however,
tell you that you're full of shit.
>I'm saying you seem to be saying a lot of times "Haven't seen it" I give
>everything a shot, whether it be bad or good, I still play it for at
>least a little bit to get some sort of feel for it.
Since you sell them for a living, I'd imagine that most of them
pass through your hands at some point. Since I don't, and I don't own
every system, I'm not going to see them all. If you think that's a
fault, you're a fool.
>: Please educate us on all of the astonishing differences in the
>: sequel...then you won't have to assume anything.
>
>Well you said it wasn't good, and based on your experience in playing
>various games, I have my doubts that you've played an unreleased game.
A poor dodge. Try again.
>: As I said, the most recent SNES stuff has been noticeably better
>: than the Genesis equivalents...but before that, the Genesis versions had
>: far better gameplay (EA sports, MK1, etc.). Unfortunately, if you'll
>: remember, you labeled the paragraph that said those things as being
>: "completely wrong."
>
>No it was wrong of you to pass it off as fact.
No, it was unfortunate for you to take it as fact when it was
obviously opinion.
>And sometimes I wonder how
>valid your claim is when half the stuff yuou said you haven't played.
I haven't played half of the small group of SNES games that you
and the Vegadorks mentioned...because I don't own an SNES or have access
to one.
>Geez you haven't even seen/played a 32X/Sega CD once either.
I've seen a 32X running Doom (ouch), and I have played Microcosm
and some assorted FMV garbage on a SegaCD.
No need to preach down to those who haven't played every console
game under the sun. If you want to get asinine about it, then my dad can
beat up your dad. End of line.
Marty Chinn
: vids...@netcom.com (Marty Chinn) writes:
: >Game Gear and Game Boy are different. Why? Cuz they were brought out with
: >their own set of games. Nomad is being brought out with the Genesis in
: >mind. There is a difference.
: Game Gear and Game Boy are showing their age, and portable gamers
: will want to move on. Nomad is the only advanced portable that will be
: available in the near future, and it has a huge library. I think that
: having Genesis cartridges fit in the slot is an advantage, you don't.
: We'll see who's right in due time. Let's leave it at that.
Its an advantage yes, but for one thing about a year too late, and will
also probably not be taken among the public eye as a good thing. Genesis
phasing out is whats in their mind. The Nomad will appear to just drag
the Genesis's death out longer.
: >You've probably never even seen one of these either.
: Someone once said, "you can't refute a sneer." I can, however,
: tell you that you're full of shit.
Um I'd say you are....
: >I'm saying you seem to be saying a lot of times "Haven't seen it" I give
: >everything a shot, whether it be bad or good, I still play it for at
: >least a little bit to get some sort of feel for it.
: Since you sell them for a living, I'd imagine that most of them
: pass through your hands at some point. Since I don't, and I don't own
: every system, I'm not going to see them all. If you think that's a
: fault, you're a fool.
Um no its not that I carry the stuff, its because if there is talk about
it, or hype about it, I will go and take the time to check it out to see
what its like out of curiosity. I find it odd that you haven't even seen
a 32X or Sega CD. Not even once.
: >Well you said it wasn't good, and based on your experience in playing
: >various games, I have my doubts that you've played an unreleased game.
: A poor dodge. Try again.
Poor dodge? How can you say the game sucks when you haven't played it? If
the first version of a game were to predict the results of a sequel. SF2,
MK2, VF2, etc would suck as well.
: No, it was unfortunate for you to take it as fact when it was
: obviously opinion.
You stated it as a fact.
: I haven't played half of the small group of SNES games that you
: and the Vegadorks mentioned...because I don't own an SNES or have access
: to one.
Yet you knock on it. For example DKC2.
: >Geez you haven't even seen/played a 32X/Sega CD once either.
: I've seen a 32X running Doom (ouch), and I have played Microcosm
: and some assorted FMV garbage on a SegaCD.
: No need to preach down to those who haven't played every console
: game under the sun. If you want to get asinine about it, then my dad can
: beat up your dad. End of line.
: - Jer
The point being your experience on games isn't as valid as other since
you havne't played much. You're trying to talk about items you have
little to no experience with. Parts of the topic which lead to a point
have to do with items you have no experience with, but yet you try to
address the point.
: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman
: that hath known a man by lying with him. But all the women children that have
: not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
: - Numbers 31:17-18, the "Lord" speaking to Moses
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Marty Chinn Super Nintendo, Super Famicom, Genesis, Sega CD,
Lee Saito
: Jeremy Haines (haines...@cs.yale.edu) wrote:
: : Game Gear and Game Boy are showing their age, and portable gamers
: : will want to move on. Nomad is the only advanced portable that will be
: : available in the near future, and it has a huge library. I think that
: : having Genesis cartridges fit in the slot is an advantage, you don't.
: : We'll see who's right in due time. Let's leave it at that.
: Its an advantage yes, but for one thing about a year too late, and will
: also probably not be taken among the public eye as a good thing. Genesis
: phasing out is whats in their mind. The Nomad will appear to just drag
: the Genesis's death out longer.
Interesting...
People get pissed off at Sega for releasing hardware and "abandoning" it.
Let's face it, there are a lot of upset Sega CD and 32X owners out there.
Now Sega does something that will "drag the Genesis' death out longer" and
it's a bad thing?
By that same token, wouldn't releasing KI, DKC2, YI, etc. on SNES be
"dragging the SNES' death out longer?" I mean, the next generation systems
totally outclass it, right?
ftw
>
>>32X - Dying due to lack of Software period! Good or bad
>
Cant be 'Dying due to lack of Software' with all theses titles ;
(that would be 58 titles that are either here or just around the corner)
do your homework next time... you might even find yourself with a well
formed opinion.
Game: Price: Available: Company:
__________________________________________________________________________
32 Xtreme TBA 1996
Alone in the Dark $50 May 15 Interplay
Batman Forever TBA Dec???
BigHurt Baseball $57 July 15 Acclaim
Blackthorne $50 November Interplay
Bump & Run Drivin TBA May 15
Clayfighter 2: Judgement Clay $56 August 15 Interplay
College Basketball $59 TBA
College Football $56 TBA
Corpse Killer $58 Now
Cosmic Carnage $58 Now
Doom $56 Now
FIFA Soccer 96' TBA Nov 14 Elect. Arts
Golf's 36 Greatest Holes $56 Now
Heavy Machinery TBA 1996
Helioblades TBA May 15
Hulk 2 TBA Winter 96
Izzy's Olympic $51 Jun 96
Judge Dredd TBA Oct 2 Acclaim
Kingdom Far Reaches TBA Nov 1
Knuckles Chaotix $55 Now
Kolibri TBA Oct 2 Sega
Metal Head $57 Now
Mortal Kombat II $64 Now
Motorcross Championship $48 Now
NBA Jam Tournament $62 Now
NBA Action TBA Oct 2 Sega
NFL Instant Replay TBA Oct 1
NFL Quarterback Club $62 Now
Nightrap $56 Now
Pitfall TBA Sep 25 Activision
Primetime NFL Football TBA Oct 2 Sega
Primal Rage TBA Nov 14 Time/Warner
Ratchet and Bolt TBA 1996
Revolution X $57 October15
Shadow Squadron $59 Now
Slam City $57 April
Soulstar TBA Fall/Winter Core
Space Harrier $40 Now
Spiderman: Web of fire TBA Oct 2 Sega
Spot goes to Hollywood TBA Nov???
Star Wars $52 Now
Starfleet Academy Unk Nov???
Supreme Warrior $55 TBA
T-Mek TBA Oct 16 Time/Warner
Tee-Time TBA May 96
Tempo $57 Now
Totally Brutal $51 May 96
Virtua Hamster TBA 1996
Virtua Racing $56 Now
Virtua Fighter TBA Oct 2
Voyager Star 2 TBA May 96
Wolves of Moordeth TBA Oct 1
World Series Baseball TBA Oct 2
WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game $57 Jun 96
Xmen TBA 1996 Sega
Zaxxon Motherbase 2000 $59 Now
Zorro TBA Jun 96
BlackJack
"Challenge from the Dark Side". I don't know all of the moves, overkills,
and sudden deaths. I have to see them.
Mica J.
DELMOI
I cant believe you would prefer the 32X to the Vboy. I'l admit the
Vboy isnt the coolst thing butat lest nintendo is tring somthig new.
Unlike some companys that just try to dump
absolut garbage to get extra Xmas cash.
the Vboy isn't total crap ether the 3-D efect more than makes up for the
lack of color.
but you woldint know that because youve never played it. and its $9.99
not $20.00
nukulkij poom
>Har...@msn.com said:
>>>The reason all of the Vboys are all rented is becuase 10 year olds
>>>say "look mommy, i can rent this for only $20!!!" Its really just a
>>>piece of crap. I think the U64 is going to be great, and i love my
>>>saturn, and i can't wait for the PSX, but THIS. VB is a pretty sad
>>>portable (well, it isnt really portable now is it) system. Not worth
>>>the money. if i had my choice, i'd pick 32X
>>> Harpua
>I cant believe you would prefer the 32X to the Vboy. I'l admit the
>Vboy isnt the coolst thing butat lest nintendo is tring somthig new.
I prefer 32X to VirtualFlop, and I don't even like 32X that much anymore.
You got it right when you said VirtualFlop isn't the coolest thing. Just
because Nintendo repackaged their monochrome portable doesn't make it good.
>Unlike some companys that just try to dump
>absolut garbage to get extra Xmas cash.
You mean like SNES Killer Instinct? Graphically, that game doesn't compare
to even Eternal Champions CD. I admit to hating the arcade game, but at least
that game LOOKED pretty good. SNES's version was tiny, choppy characters
fighting (if you could call it that) on shitty looking backgrounds. Talk
about dumping absolute garbage to get Christmas cash.
>the Vboy isn't total crap ether the 3-D efect more than makes up for the
>lack of color.
3D effect? Where? Afterburner 32X has more of a 3D effect than anything
I've seen from VirtualFlop so far. Ooo...vector graphics with no depth
perception (in the form of SHADING) whatsoever--if that really floats your
boat, I guess it's cool...for you and you only.
>but you woldint know that because youve never played it. and its $9.99
>not $20.00
>
Oh, I've played VB. And you know what? I still think it sucks. Bigtime.
Poom!
ftw
*Har...@msn.com said:
*>>The reason all of the Vboys are all rented is becuase 10 year olds
*>>say "look mommy, i can rent this for only $20!!!" Its really just a
*>>piece of crap. I think the U64 is going to be great, and i love my
*>>saturn, and i can't wait for the PSX, but THIS. VB is a pretty sad
*>>portable (well, it isnt really portable now is it) system. Not worth
*>>the money. if i had my choice, i'd pick 32X
*>> Harpua
*
*I cant believe you would prefer the 32X to the Vboy. I'l admit the
*Vboy isnt the coolst thing butat lest nintendo is tring somthig new.
*Unlike some companys that just try to dump absolut garbage to get extra
*Xmas cash. the Vboy isn't total crap ether the 3-D efect more than makes
*up for the lack of color. but you woldint know that because youve never
*played it. and its $9.99 not $20.00
*
Well, I *have* played the Vboy. It's ok. The 3D effect is pretty nice.
The only game I played was Tennis. Its 'cute', but it gets old after
the first time you play it IMHO. You can tout all you want about doing
back/fore hands, drop shots etc... but I cant see this game holding someones
interest for any length of time. I personally think the unit is cumbersome
and awkward. The black and red only issue is IMO, a VERY serious mistake.
No matter how many games come out for it, without colors I think this
system will die quickly. As for *ACTUALLY* expressing disbelief that
someone (heck, I'll go out on a limb and say almost ANYONE) would prefer
the 32X to the Vboy YOU MUST BE JOKING. I would rather have a SMS 3D system
than a Vboy. The 32X walks all over Vboy hands down and is currently on
the shelf for a measly $99. For the price of the Vboy plus about $25,
you can get a NEW Genesis, and a NEW 32X; actually, if you use the
coupon in the VF training pack, your cost is almost the SAME as buying a
Vboy. If choosing that setup over a Vboy isn't a no brainer; nothing is.
Sure Nintendo is trying something new; but I cant believe their marketing
and brass gave the green light on this one....