Opinions on Sega Sports 1997?
jarnone
> I agree with you on this one. How many people are there with a Netlink
> who DON'T own Rally or DCCE? Or don't have access to multi-player games
> via their PC's? That's a mighty small number, I'd imagine. Personally,
> I've written off Netlink as another failed/botched SoA peripheral. If
> they'd managed to get out a decent number of good games around the time
> when the thing was released, it would've been different. But they didn't,
> making the add-on look like another 32X.
>
I agree with the Rally/Daytona CCE argument, BUT I wouldn't count it a
failed/botched peripheral in the vein of 32X. Do remember, some people
don't have PCs or have ones unfit for decent WWW use. The Netlink does
allow people E-mail and Web access from their TV with a total package
cost of $400. Plus they can play video games with just the Saturn
part. Targeted at the hardcore gamer who is already on the net, sure it
could be a failure. However, for people who just want a web box with
some good video game capabilities it's a steal. Hell, Magnavox is
selling their WebTV thing for more aren't they? And you can't play VF2
on a Magnavox WebTV. Just making sure that is realized before condemning
a peripheral that's terribly useful for some....
BTW, I'm GLAD EA is only making Madden for the '98 Saturn line. All
their others were HIDEOUS. NHL '97 is my pick for worst sports game
ever! Awful AI....
Mark & Michelle Wood
You've probably already heard that Sega Sports is not going to release a
football game this year. Basically, if they do a Saturn football game next
year, I hope they will try something beyond another Madden-clone. I do
like the Madden games but they are always basically the same every year.
Leave that to EA and try something different, I say. None of the 32-bit
football games have been a major improvement over 16-bit, IMO. Hopefully
somebody will make an effort to break the 16-bit mold. I am disappointed
that football will be left out though -- I mean, how dedicated to sports
are they if they leave out one of the top three in the US? I mean
football, basketball, and baseball.
SS is working on NBA Action 98. Supposedly, it's already better than In
The Zone 2 -- I guess I find that hard to believe after the original Action
and Live 97 on Saturn. It's easy to make promises now with the release
date set for October. I find October an odd time of the year to release a
basketball game but maybe they are shooting for Christmas sales. I can
only hope for hi-res players so that you can tell which player is which or
at least be able to see some detail (like jersey numbers). Action had
tighter control at least but they really need to cut-down on the alley-oops
and the people that can actually do them. Actually, Action had a lot of
detail on the players -- too bad you could only see it when paused and
zoomed in.
I would like to see a "Virtua" one-on-one basketball game. The players
could be hi-res and each could have special moves for offense and defense
plus standard moves. But none of that funky NBA Jam stuff, I mean realism
here in the style of Virtua Fighter 2. Actually, for the characters they
could use the Decathlete crew since they were excellent looking and are
going to waste right now. Gameplay would be very similar to a game of VF2
only the contest would be basketball and not fighting. Combinations (ala
VF2) could be pulled off for more intricate maneuvers both offensively and
defensively. Well, it's an idea anyways -- I wish Sega would do something
and they're welcome to the idea if they like. It could add a whole new
twist to the fighting game genre.
Other Sega Sports -- Sega Rally and Daytona CCE by Netlink sound great
except you need to buy another version? Already I would need to buy the
Netlink. Then I need to convince somebody I know to buy one, then we both
need new versions of the game? Ouch. Maybe this will fly but I am already
seeing it being too expensive -- hopefully they will not try to charge for
your gametime (ie XBand) or I really am out of it. I hope they will
include a direct-link cable option to the new versions of the game. It's
about the only way I could see buying it and even then I only know a couple
of people with Saturns.
Opinions? Comments? I am really tempted to get a PSX for basketball
except for the money it will cost for another system. I really have no
problem with owning both if I can afford it. I guess I can start saving
now -- if Sega comes thru in October, I'm set, if not I guess I will resort
to the getting another system along with my Saturn.
Skid
Michael Mullis
Mark & Michelle Wood <bam...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<01bc4b64$c9d93780$909d20cc@legend>...
>
> Other Sega Sports -- Sega Rally and Daytona CCE by Netlink sound great
> except you need to buy another version? Already I would need to buy the
> Netlink. Then I need to convince somebody I know to buy one, then we
both
> need new versions of the game? Ouch. Maybe this will fly but I am
already
> seeing it being too expensive -- hopefully they will not try to charge
for
> your gametime (ie XBand) or I really am out of it. I hope they will
> include a direct-link cable option to the new versions of the game. It's
> about the only way I could see buying it and even then I only know a
couple
> of people with Saturns.
>
Actually, I think if I read correctly, you will be able to direct dial
another Saturn to link up for gaming, as well as a network type area. Man
I hope that's true.
> Skid
>
--
Michael Mullis
"Power without perception is spiritually useless,
and therefore of no true value."
Poom Nukulkij
In article <01bc4b64$c9d93780$909d20cc@legend>, "Mark & Michelle Wood"
<bam...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> You've probably already heard that Sega Sports is not going to release a
> football game this year. Basically, if they do a Saturn football game next
> year, I hope they will try something beyond another Madden-clone. I do
> like the Madden games but they are always basically the same every year.
> Leave that to EA and try something different, I say. None of the 32-bit
> football games have been a major improvement over 16-bit, IMO. Hopefully
> somebody will make an effort to break the 16-bit mold. I am disappointed
> that football will be left out though -- I mean, how dedicated to sports
> are they if they leave out one of the top three in the US? I mean
> football, basketball, and baseball.
Well, football VG fans will be thrilled to know that there's only ONE
football game scheduled for 1997--EA's annual Madden rehash. Apparently,
AccLAME saw it fit to cancel QB Club '98 (lord knows why--they've released
every other licensed game under the sun), and Sega's not doing a football
game altogether this year. I don't know if some other company's going to
come in and pick up the slack. Personally, I could care less about
football titles, but I could sure see why football fans would choose a PSX
over than Saturn. What happened to SoA's commitment to sports, anyway? I
would think that a good football title would be at the top of their list,
given the typical American gamer...just have the team that did NFL '94 for
the Genesis develop a Saturn football title, and life would be good.
> SS is working on NBA Action 98. Supposedly, it's already better than In
> The Zone 2 -- I guess I find that hard to believe after the original Action
> and Live 97 on Saturn. It's easy to make promises now with the release
> date set for October. I find October an odd time of the year to release a
> basketball game but maybe they are shooting for Christmas sales. I can
> only hope for hi-res players so that you can tell which player is which or
> at least be able to see some detail (like jersey numbers). Action had
> tighter control at least but they really need to cut-down on the alley-oops
> and the people that can actually do them. Actually, Action had a lot of
> detail on the players -- too bad you could only see it when paused and
> zoomed in.
I always thought that NBA Action played fairly well, but looked somewhat
ugly. Sure, having the actual players' faces was a unique touch, but the
players just didn't look that good in motion. If they can add better
graphics to the gameplay, they'd have a winner. I think the October date
makes sense, if only for holiday sales. And by then, there's always the
possibility that rosters will reflect trades made in the summer after the
playoffs are over--hopefully.
> I would like to see a "Virtua" one-on-one basketball game. The players
> could be hi-res and each could have special moves for offense and defense
> plus standard moves. But none of that funky NBA Jam stuff, I mean realism
> here in the style of Virtua Fighter 2. Actually, for the characters they
> could use the Decathlete crew since they were excellent looking and are
> going to waste right now. Gameplay would be very similar to a game of VF2
> only the contest would be basketball and not fighting. Combinations (ala
> VF2) could be pulled off for more intricate maneuvers both offensively and
> defensively. Well, it's an idea anyways -- I wish Sega would do something
> and they're welcome to the idea if they like. It could add a whole new
> twist to the fighting game genre.
I wouldn't mind this with one HUGE provision--that SoJ did it, and not
SoA. Throwing the "Virtua" moniker on anything SoA would be an
injustice...
> Other Sega Sports -- Sega Rally and Daytona CCE by Netlink sound great
> except you need to buy another version? Already I would need to buy the
> Netlink. Then I need to convince somebody I know to buy one, then we both
> need new versions of the game? Ouch. Maybe this will fly but I am already
> seeing it being too expensive -- hopefully they will not try to charge for
> your gametime (ie XBand) or I really am out of it. I hope they will
> include a direct-link cable option to the new versions of the game. It's
> about the only way I could see buying it and even then I only know a couple
> of people with Saturns.
I agree with you on this one. How many people are there with a Netlink
who DON'T own Rally or DCCE? Or don't have access to multi-player games
via their PC's? That's a mighty small number, I'd imagine. Personally,
I've written off Netlink as another failed/botched SoA peripheral. If
they'd managed to get out a decent number of good games around the time
when the thing was released, it would've been different. But they didn't,
making the add-on look like another 32X.
> Opinions? Comments? I am really tempted to get a PSX for basketball
> except for the money it will cost for another system. I really have no
> problem with owning both if I can afford it. I guess I can start saving
> now -- if Sega comes thru in October, I'm set, if not I guess I will resort
> to the getting another system along with my Saturn.
Personally, I'm waiting for the holidays to get a PSX. By then, I should
have enough $$$ and games I'd like to play for that system.
--
Poom Nukulkij (pon9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu)
http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~pon96001/VG.HTML (Updated April 17)
Department of Psychology, University of Connecticut
"Seize the day. Never have regrets."
Mark & Michelle Wood
Poom Nukulkij <pon9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu> wrote
> given the typical American gamer...just have the team that did NFL '94
for
> the Genesis develop a Saturn football title, and life would be good.
Yes, that would be an excellent idea. For me personally, they could just
add player trades, player creation, season schedule maker, and the ability
to swap plays for teams then send off NFL 94 just like it is on the
Genesis. I feel like that game still beats anything on 32-bit except the
rosters are outdated. Instead we get Madden-clones from now on?
> I always thought that NBA Action played fairly well, but looked somewhat
> ugly. Sure, having the actual players' faces was a unique touch, but the
> players just didn't look that good in motion. If they can add better
> graphics to the gameplay, they'd have a winner. I think the October date
> makes sense, if only for holiday sales. And by then, there's always the
> possibility that rosters will reflect trades made in the summer after the
> playoffs are over--hopefully.
Agreed, except I still think there are too many alley-oops. If they can't
up the resolution the game will again suffer -- this was the biggest
complaint most people had against it last year. Actually, if you look at
the back of the box, it looks like the players are well detailed, but those
are only replay views. Maybe if they could have a "virtua" camera that
zoomed/rotated in close for action in the key and especially on the dunks
then it would look a little better. Actually, I think they need both
hi-res players and a moving camera when playing from side-view.
> I wouldn't mind this with one HUGE provision--that SoJ did it, and not
> SoA. Throwing the "Virtua" moniker on anything SoA would be an
> injustice...
Well, yeah, that's the idea, SOJ would do it since the Decathlete crew are
their creations.
> I agree with you on this one. How many people are there with a Netlink
> who DON'T own Rally or DCCE? Or don't have access to multi-player games
> via their PC's? That's a mighty small number, I'd imagine. Personally,
> I've written off Netlink as another failed/botched SoA peripheral. If
> they'd managed to get out a decent number of good games around the time
> when the thing was released, it would've been different. But they
didn't,
> making the add-on look like another 32X.
Well, the way I see it, the Netlink will have to get the games, it will
have to come down in price, and it will have to play over the internet (for
free) for me to be interested. I just don't know enough Saturn owners
locally and if I did a direct-link cable would be a cheaper solution. I
obviously don't need a web-browser but if I could find other Saturn gamers
over the internet (ie no long-distance phone calls) then I would be more
interested. I mean other "twitch" games have been done on the net (Quake,
etc) so hopefully they can manage the same with Sega Rally and Quake for
the Saturn. I guess we'll know the day SR comes out what the future of
Netlink will be, eh? I might be able to justify the price if it has net
play, I guess. To tell you the truth, I would be more interested in buying
a new Sega Rally that had a track editor than one with Netlink support.
> Personally, I'm waiting for the holidays to get a PSX. By then, I should
> have enough $$$ and games I'd like to play for that system.
Yeah, I don't have the cash to do it now or otherwise I probably would.
What money I've been spending has gone towards games and FMM is still on my
"to buy" list. If Sega gets Action together in time and it's good, I'll be
set. Otherwise, I don't see why I should pass up the BB games the PSX has
to offer.
Skid
cro...@ibm.net
In <01bc4b64$c9d93780$909d20cc@legend>, "Mark & Michelle Wood" <bam...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>You've probably already heard that Sega Sports is not going to release a
>football game this year. Basically, if they do a Saturn football game next
Add this to the fact that Sega could import the greatest
wrestling game of all time: Fire Prowrestling S Six Men Scramble
from Human and translate it!!!! This would be a KILLER game (I know,
I have the Japanese import) and they don't know what their missing.
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