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Dosun1

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>I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
>decide which to get. Any advice?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Dave

Rent both and decide. Duh.

Dave Best

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Gary Bradley

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I have both consoles (as well as many others) and would recommend you
avoid the N64 like the plague. It has so few good games and the
situation is getting worse rather than better. Last month three N64
games got reviewed in the UK's respected "Edge" magazine (the most for
quite some time) and the highest mark was 5 / 10. Okay I always take
magazine reviews with a pince of salt, but my own experience with the
N64 has been bad. I have 15 games, and only two or three of them were
actually worth buying (Goldeneye and ISS). Buy a PSX. It's lovely.

BTW I would recommend a Saturn or Neo Geo before a N64, it's game
library is THAT POOR.

> Dave

A.C.

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I have a psx and a N64, and i enjoy my N64 more.


Dave Best wrote in message <3576D0...@nortel.ca>...


>I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
>decide which to get. Any advice?
>
>Thanks.
>

>Dave

Mike G.

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In article <357739...@rackwick.demon.co.uk>,
ga...@rackwick.demon.co.uk wrote:

> Dave Best wrote:
> >
> > I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
> > decide which to get. Any advice?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>

> I have both consoles (as well as many others) and would recommend you
> avoid the N64 like the plague. It has so few good games and the
> situation is getting worse rather than better. Last month three N64
> games got reviewed in the UK's respected "Edge" magazine (the most for
> quite some time) and the highest mark was 5 / 10. Okay I always take
> magazine reviews with a pince of salt, but my own experience with the
> N64 has been bad. I have 15 games, and only two or three of them were
> actually worth buying (Goldeneye and ISS). Buy a PSX. It's lovely.
>
> BTW I would recommend a Saturn or Neo Geo before a N64, it's game
> library is THAT POOR.

My view isn't as harsh as this, but I'll admit that PSX games have made a
bigger dent in my time than N64 games (FF7, FF Tactics, Tomb Raider 2,
Deathtrap Dungeon, Warhammer: Dark Omen, to name a few). Still, avoiding
N64 "like the plague" seems a bit much. If I had to take one or the other
to a desert island, I know which one it would be, though. Hope the island
has electricity.
--mike g.

greg

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i can't disagree with this guy more. i own both consoles, and i rarely ever
use the playstation. the only game i've seen worth playing is gran turismo,
and i'll admit that game rocks.

true, sony has an enormous game library going, but once you experience a
game like goldeneye, most of the playstation games i find to be virtually
unplayable. if you want to see what i mean, rent both consoles and play
goldeneye on the 64 and then play resident evil on the playstation. the
"ghoulies" on that game are the gayest thing i've ever seen. OOOOHHHHHHH.

if you can afford it, i would probably get both to avoid missing out on any
gems like gran turismo. but if you've got to choose one, i'd pick the 64
unless you like playing games with weak graphics and you enjoy seeing a
screen that says "loading..." all the time.

> >
> > I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
> > decide which to get. Any advice?
> >
> > Thanks.

Ed Giangrande

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Here's a way.. wait a few months.. see what comes out by X-mas time
when we might see a few real games comming out on N64.. why make a
choice now when for all anyone knows PSX might drop to $99 by
september, and/or Zelda could be the biggest game ever or the biggest
bust ever..


In <UqDd1.4018$Z72.3...@news.rdc1.wa.home.com> "A.C."


<aca...@wave.nospam.home.com> writes:
>
>I have a psx and a N64, and i enjoy my N64 more.
>
>
>Dave Best wrote in message <3576D0...@nortel.ca>...

>>I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
>>decide which to get. Any advice?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>

>>Dave
>
>


Torajima

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In article <3576D0...@nortel.ca>, Dave Best <dav...@nortel.ca> wrote:

> I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
> decide which to get. Any advice?

They are only $129 now. Buy them BOTH. Both have great games.

Torajima

Ed Giangrande

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again, I do think he is being harsh. The one thing about the N64 as of
late that I am seeing is that a lot of the games, though not really
improving in 'gameplay', are drastically improving graphically. I look
at a game like ASB, and the work the guys at Acclaim are doing.. Sure,
there are gameplay problems with most of their games, but then again,
the quality of their high-res engines are better than just about
everything else out there.. And looking at E3's reports, I still get
the sense that N64 is going to have a big push toward the end of this
year into next with a good number of quality games..


In <gillgannon-04...@198.169.210.130>

>> Dave Best wrote:
>> >
>> > I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
>> > decide which to get. Any advice?
>> >

>> > Thanks.
>> >
>>
>> I have both consoles (as well as many others) and would recommend
you
>> avoid the N64 like the plague. It has so few good games and the
>> situation is getting worse rather than better. Last month three N64
>> games got reviewed in the UK's respected "Edge" magazine (the most
for
>> quite some time) and the highest mark was 5 / 10. Okay I always take
>> magazine reviews with a pince of salt, but my own experience with
the
>> N64 has been bad. I have 15 games, and only two or three of them
were
>> actually worth buying (Goldeneye and ISS). Buy a PSX. It's lovely.
>>

>> BTW I would recommend a Saturn or Neo Geo before a N64, it's game
>> library is THAT POOR.
>

Al Wilson

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I have both as well, and play the playstation WAY more than the N64.
The games may not look at pretty, but they have better gameplay, IMO.

Al

A.C. wrote:

> I have a psx and a N64, and i enjoy my N64 more.
>
> Dave Best wrote in message <3576D0...@nortel.ca>...

> >I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
> >decide which to get. Any advice?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >

> >Dave


Gibson Lao

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Dave Best wrote:

> I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
> decide which to get. Any advice?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave

Dave, you're gonna start a thread that just doesn't seem to die in this
NG. Personally I have a PSX, but my fiance's brother has a N64, so it's
safe to say I have played both systems enough to form an opinion. Hands
down get the PSX. Like most people that would answer this post, the
bottom line is MORE QUALITY GAMES for the PSX. The N64 has Goldeneye as
the only game that I played for more than a couple of days. I wouldn't
even know where to start for the PSX library, just in the last couple
of months we saw Gameday 98, Gamebreaker 98, NHL 98, Resident Evil 2,
Tekken3, Gran Turismo, Hot Shots Golf, Breath of Fire III, Einhander,
etc. I don't think the N64 has that many quality games released total.
Nintendo is banking their future on the new Zelda 64, while I admit from
what I've seen and heard through screenshots and NG's, it seems to be a
killer, but that makes 2 games for the N64 (...a sarcastic yaayy) The
N64 might have the better hardware specs on paper (64bit vs 32bit) so
potentially better graphics, etc but the bottom line again where are
the games. I can't speak for the stores in your area but the one I go
to literally has a whole wall full of PSX titles compared to 3 shelves
for N64 games. So if you like a handful of quality games and you think
Mario is soooo cute then N64 is your thing, if you want dozens of great
games with more on the horizon (Metal Gear Solid, Xenogears - just to
name a few) then PSX is your ticket. Good luck on your choice.

G


Dalton

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Well, Gary here's form England, where Nintendo has focused little on,
and delayed games even worse than the US.

Dalton

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On 4 Jun 1998 21:12:39 GMT, tig...@ix.netcom.com(Ed Giangrande) wrote:

>again, I do think he is being harsh. The one thing about the N64 as of
>late that I am seeing is that a lot of the games, though not really
>improving in 'gameplay', are drastically improving graphically. I look
>at a game like ASB, and the work the guys at Acclaim are doing.. Sure,
>there are gameplay problems with most of their games, but then again,
>the quality of their high-res engines are better than just about
>everything else out there.. And looking at E3's reports, I still get
>the sense that N64 is going to have a big push toward the end of this
>year into next with a good number of quality games..

Gary Bradley's from England, where the N64 is really overpriced and
the games are often buggy, and delayed. Of course he's going to say
to avoid the N64 like the plague.

Mark Hendren

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On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 17:55:20 -0500, Torajim...@THISmindspring.com
(Torajima) wrote:

>In article <3576D0...@nortel.ca>, Dave Best <dav...@nortel.ca> wrote:
>
>> I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
>> decide which to get. Any advice?
>

>They are only $129 now. Buy them BOTH. Both have great games.

Yup, they are. I know Software Etc. and Kay Bee took them both down
to $129.99 nearly immediately after Sony gave the option to retailers
to sell the system for $129.99. At work (W-M) we just got the price
changes on both today, both to $129.96, with the new model PSX already
in the system at $149.96.


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In article <3576D0...@nortel.ca>,
Dave Best <dav...@nortel.ca> wrote:
>
> I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
> decide which to get. Any advice?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave
>

PSX...more games. And they're not 'kiddy' games!

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kwarlord

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hit...@hotmail.com wrote in message <6l8d5f$5m1$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...


>In article <3576D0...@nortel.ca>,
> Dave Best <dav...@nortel.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
>> decide which to get. Any advice?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>PSX...more games. And they're not 'kiddy' games!
>


PSX does too have kiddy games! And a crappy Mascot as well!

.....I just wish THQ actually put effort into Quest 64!!! that system needs
at least one true GOOD RPG! *sigh* back to the dozen or so Playstation RPGs.
:-(

jay jefferson

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Ok, I own the Saturn, the N64, and a PSX and here's my opinion. I
would recommend the PSX over the other first without a doubt. Granted
not all the games look as good as some of the N64 games, but there are
a lot that look just as good, and in some cases better. I would have
to say that the PSX definately exceeds the other 2 in the racing,
vehicular combat (you gotta love TM, TM2 and Vigalante 8) and 3D
fighting genres. If you like 2D capcom fighters, get a Saturn, and if
you like wrestling, soccer or playing James Bond then get a N64. =)

-j.

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hit...@hotmail.com

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In article <6l8e4i$rjn$1...@news.cmc.net>,

"kwarlord" <kwar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> hit...@hotmail.com wrote in message <6l8d5f$5m1$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >In article <3576D0...@nortel.ca>,
> > Dave Best <dav...@nortel.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
> >> decide which to get. Any advice?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >
> >PSX...more games. And they're not 'kiddy' games!
> >
>
> PSX does too have kiddy games! And a crappy Mascot as well!
>
Okay....they're not *all* kiddy games.

Dobby

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On Fri, 05 Jun 1998 05:43:48 GMT, dalton...@yahoo.com (Dalton)
wrote:

The N64 isn't over priced in th UK, it's only 99GBP (162USD - that's
real bargin for the UK) and the games aren't buggy at all (no more
than US or Jap versions). If you're referring to the NTSC -> PAL
conversion problem then yes, early games suffered from slowdown and
borders, but this has largely been sorted out now (mainly due to
Rare's splendid efforts) and softcos are actually putting a lot more
effort into their PAL conversions. Nintendo, because of the N64's
flop in Japan, are now taking the European market *much* more
seriously.

I would by no means say "avoid the N64 like the plague" if only for
the likes of Goldeneye, ISS64, Mario64, Pilotwings64 and in the future
Zelda, Banjo-Kazooie, F-Zero X and the utterly stunning looking
Perfect Dark.

Having said all that if I had to make the choice *right now* I'd go
for the PS, just because I happen to be playing it more at the moment.
This might change in the future, though.

Get 'em both if you can.
- dob
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Silly Rabbit

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Dave Best wrote:
>
> I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
> decide which to get. Any advice?

Look at the games for each system and decide based
on which you would enjoy playing more. My gaming
time is currently split between my PC, PlayStation,
and Saturn. If I had to choose one system though
(it would be tough), I'd probably pick the PlayStation.

I haven't gotten an N64 yet (don't know if I ever will
actually) for 2 reasons: (1) With all the games I
currently have for my 3 systems, I'm not in any dire
need of another at this time and (2) I haven't seen
anything yet on the N64 which makes me think I HAVE
to have it. Of course, you might think differently
which is why I suggest that you to look at the games
first and decide based on that.

Anyway, good luck, and if all else fails, just buy
both. =:o)

Silly Rabbit

Torajima

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In article <6l8qul$ngv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, hit...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Okay....they're not *all* kiddy games.

Contrary to popular belief, the N64 has damn few "kiddy games". In fact,
Yoshi's Story is about the only one that comes to mind.

Sure, many N64 games have cute graphics, but this doesn't mean they are
automatically "kiddy games". If it did, most Playstation RPGs and Puzzle
games would qualify as kiddy games.

Mario 64, Diddy Kong Racing, and Mystial Ninja may be cute, but they still
pack as much gameplay, length, and challenge as the average Playstation
game.

Once again, if you can afford both systems, buy both. Heck, pick up a
Saturn while you're at it (they can be found for as low as $20), as it's
the ONLY system that will ever have an arcade perfect version of Vampire
Saviour and X-men verses Streetfighter.

Torajima

Castellan

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Torajim...@THISmindspring.com (Torajima) writes:

>In article <6l8qul$ngv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, hit...@hotmail.com wrote:


>Mario 64, Diddy Kong Racing, and Mystial Ninja may be cute, but they still
>pack as much gameplay, length, and challenge as the average Playstation
>game.

Unfortunately, they don't pack nearly as much DEPTH, DETAIL, or
STORY, which are the first attributes I consider when looking for a game.
Show me an N64 game that can compete with Final Fantasy Tactics, Tactics
Ogre, Tobal 2, Armored Core, Rebus (Kartia in the States), or GT on two of
those three factors, and I'll concede your point.

(By depth, I mean play possibilities - customizable game factors
strategy development, the support for multiple successful play approaches.
By detail, I don't mean graphics, but the wealth of statistics, options,
and the degree of potential influence the player has on the game. With
story, I expect intelligent themes and believable worlds with intriguing
themes or concepts.)

Goldeneye is the best Nintendo has managed to muster so far -
there ain't much in the pipeline until Ogre Battle 64 that can compete.


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>again, I do think he is being harsh. The one thing about the N64 as of
>late that I am seeing is that a lot of the games, though not really
>improving in 'gameplay', are drastically improving graphically. I look
>at a game like ASB, and the work the guys at Acclaim are doing.. Sure,
>there are gameplay problems with most of their games, but then again,
>the quality of their high-res engines are better than just about
>everything else out there.. And looking at E3's reports, I still get
>the sense that N64 is going to have a big push toward the end of this
>year into next with a good number of quality games..

Ed so you think it's ok to buy games that look good even if they have
shitty gameplay?!?!?!

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>.....I just wish THQ actually put effort into Quest 64!!! that system needs


>at least one true GOOD RPG! *sigh* back to the dozen or so Playstation RPGs.
>:-(
>

I recently heard Quest 64 doesn't even have MONEY in it for
chrissakes...what the hell kinda RPG has no currency?!?!? I'm hoping
that this is not true...

Darien Allen

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>Mario 64, Diddy Kong Racing, and Mystial Ninja may be cute, but they still
>pack as much gameplay, length, and challenge as the average Playstation
>game.

This becomes an interpretation of what a "kiddy game" is I would
think.

Does a kiddy game have less gameplay? Is it shorter? Easier?

Henrik Johansson

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Buy the N64. It has a modern 3D graphics engine from Silicon
Graphics of a type that every graphic system for consoles or
PC will have or has already. PlayStation lacks the Z-buffer
which is crucial for such systems. It is old! I write this
only in the nintendo group so do not accuse me of trolling.
Some graphical effects that comes to my mind that utilizes the
3D hardware to 100% is the telescopic aiming in GoldenEye,
the replay function in ISS64 where you can zoom in and spin around
the soccer players and the ball at the same time as you step
forward slowly, the swimming scenes in Super Mario 64, the thin clouds
and snow in Pilotwings 64, the replay in MRC where you sit at the
rear wheel bouncing along and the explosions in Blast Corps.

Torajima

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In article <357a8b0b...@news.earthlink.net>,
darienno...@nospamhotmail.com (Darien Allen) wrote:

> >Mario 64, Diddy Kong Racing, and Mystial Ninja may be cute, but they still
> >pack as much gameplay, length, and challenge as the average Playstation
> >game.
>
> This becomes an interpretation of what a "kiddy game" is I would
> think.

Because it has cute graphics or cute characters, it's automatically a
kiddie game?

As I said before, this definition would make almost every Playstation RPG,
Action game, and puzzle game a "Kiddy game".

> Does a kiddy game have less gameplay? Is it shorter? Easier?

A Kiddy game is a game designed specifically for kids.... and no one else.
So yes, it would be easier, have less complicated gameplay, and would
probabably be shorter.

I won't deny that Nintendo tends to aim it's games at the "family" market,
but dismissing all of their software as kiddie fare is just plain wrong.

Torajima

Darien Allen

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>Buy the N64. It has a modern 3D graphics engine from Silicon
>Graphics of a type that every graphic system for consoles or
>PC will have or has already. PlayStation lacks the Z-buffer
>which is crucial for such systems. It is old! I write this
>only in the nintendo group so do not accuse me of trolling.
> Some graphical effects that comes to my mind that utilizes the
>3D hardware to 100% is the telescopic aiming in GoldenEye,
>the replay function in ISS64 where you can zoom in and spin around
>the soccer players and the ball at the same time as you step
>forward slowly, the swimming scenes in Super Mario 64, the thin clouds
>and snow in Pilotwings 64, the replay in MRC where you sit at the
>rear wheel bouncing along and the explosions in Blast Corps.

All those graphical effects are great....but where's the realistic
driving sim? Where's the 2D shooters? Where's the multiple number of
good football and basketball games? Where's the great fighting games?
Where's the great RPGs?

Darien Allen

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>In article <357a8b0b...@news.earthlink.net>,
>darienno...@nospamhotmail.com (Darien Allen) wrote:
>
>> >Mario 64, Diddy Kong Racing, and Mystial Ninja may be cute, but they still
>> >pack as much gameplay, length, and challenge as the average Playstation
>> >game.
>>
>> This becomes an interpretation of what a "kiddy game" is I would
>> think.
>
>Because it has cute graphics or cute characters, it's automatically a
>kiddie game?
>
>As I said before, this definition would make almost every Playstation RPG,
>Action game, and puzzle game a "Kiddy game".

Depends on what you consider "cute" Does Aerith being stabbed by
Sephiroth classify as cute?

>> Does a kiddy game have less gameplay? Is it shorter? Easier?
>
>A Kiddy game is a game designed specifically for kids.... and no one else.
>So yes, it would be easier, have less complicated gameplay, and would
>probabably be shorter.
>
>I won't deny that Nintendo tends to aim it's games at the "family" market,
>but dismissing all of their software as kiddie fare is just plain wrong.

Geez you know I don't remember saying that...correct me if I'm wrong.

David Newman

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Reason to buy N64: Goldeneye 007

Reason to buy Playstation:
1. HUNDREDS of games available
2. Most games less than $40 -- many classics are $20. (Where are the N64
budget titles??)
3. New price for a limited time: $129.

I agonized over this too -- I bought a PSX and still rent an N64 from
time to time.... I'm glad I went the route I did!

Torajima

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In article <3579E2...@adelphia.net>, David Newman
<david...@adelphia.net> wrote:

> Reason to buy N64: Goldeneye 007

Oh, I can think of a few more..... such as WaveRace, Star Fox,
Tetrisphere, Blast Corps, and Diddy Kong Racing.

> Reason to buy Playstation:
> 1. HUNDREDS of games available

And only about 40 are worth playing. Still, I'll admit, this is more than
the N64 has.

> 2. Most games less than $40 -- many classics are $20. (Where are the N64
> budget titles??)

They're around. Maybe you're not looking? I've seen both Turok and Blast
Corps for $29 each.

> 3. New price for a limited time: $129.

Ha, Ha. Limited time.... that's funny. I suspect both systems will be down
to $99 by Christmas.

> I agonized over this too -- I bought a PSX and still rent an N64 from
> time to time.... I'm glad I went the route I did!

Again I ask, why not buy both?

Torajima

Darien Allen

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>And only about 40 are worth playing. Still, I'll admit, this is more than
>the N64 has.

Are we going to go through this again? Obviously there are more than
40 worth playing...hell many of us own at least 40 and can name more
that we would buy.

Mark Hendren

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On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:52:11 -0400, Dave Best <dav...@nortel.ca>
wrote:

>I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
>decide which to get. Any advice?

Just get them both, as they are both now at $129 and both have
great games to offer.

Mark Hendren

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On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 00:39:42 GMT, David Newman
<david...@adelphia.net> wrote:

>Reason to buy N64: Goldeneye 007

Plus Wave Race, 1080, DKR, Blast Corps, Turok, NBA Courtside, Mario
Kart...plus the games we got coming up.

>Reason to buy Playstation:
>1. HUNDREDS of games available

Some games are great, some stink....

>2. Most games less than $40 -- many classics are $20. (Where are the N64
>budget titles??)

Some places, like Target and Wal-Mart have brought down prices on some
titles (albeit older 3rd party titles) to $20-$30.

>3. New price for a limited time: $129.

Same for the N64.

>I agonized over this too -- I bought a PSX and still rent an N64 from
>time to time.... I'm glad I went the route I did!

The best route anyone could go is to own both and enjoy what both
systems have to offer.

Mark Hendren

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On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 18:32:16 GMT, darienno...@nospamhotmail.com
(Darien Allen) wrote:

>Does a kiddy game have less gameplay? Is it shorter? Easier?

According to the Usenet Idiot Code under Section 4, Paragraph 3, a
"kiddy game" is based on graphics alone. It doesn't matter how well
it plays or how challenging it is, if it has "cute" characters, it's
classified as a "kiddy game".

Mark Hendren

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On Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:18:40 GMT, hit...@hotmail.com wrote:


>PSX...more games. And they're not 'kiddy' games!

Oh geez...another idiot bringing up the ridiculous 'kiddy game'
argument.

Bombac1

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>From: mhendren*DIESPAMMERSDIE*@calwest.net (Mark Hendren)

>>Does a kiddy game have less gameplay? Is it shorter? Easier?
>
>According to the Usenet Idiot Code under Section 4, Paragraph 3, a
>"kiddy game" is based on graphics alone. It doesn't matter how well
>it plays or how challenging it is, if it has "cute" characters, it's
>classified as a "kiddy game".
>
>

hell, usenet nothin! I know people who classify games with "cute" caracters and
enviornments as "kiddy" or "ditsy". Its just ignorance. Yet if those same
exact games had the texture maps switched to dark, gloomy, bottom of ashtray,
under the sink textures, it will be "hot", 'tight" or "phat". Whatever

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On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 22:28:18 GMT, darienno...@nospamhotmail.com
(Darien Allen) posted via his Tamagotchi Net Link:

>All those graphical effects are great....but where's the realistic
>driving sim? Where's the 2D shooters? Where's the multiple number of
>good football and basketball games? Where's the great fighting games?
>Where's the great RPGs?

Haven`t you heard? They`re coming! They will be here soon! All we have
to do is wait! And wait.... and wait... and wait....

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greg

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good point! i find it strange that "cutesy" graphics turn so many people
off, but these hellish, gory, mechanistic, bloody, evil graphic schemes
don't get on anyone's nerves, regardless of how sharp and well-rendered
they are. i'd personally rather play yoshi's story rather than doom or
quake because in the latter two games, i often feel...well, just plain
grim.

yeah, N64 has it's cutesey factor. but i've seen a bit of it on
playstation. hot shots golf anyone? isn't crash bandicoot a little cutesy?
micro machines? PARAPPA?

i wish we could get past the "type" of graphic used for character
representation and environmental schemes and focus more on how
well-rendered graphics contribute to game play. maybe in the future, games
will be release in an optional "wireframe" format whereby gamers can decide
how they like the gameplay and add their own look-and-feel later. you can
be a 2ft, 75 lb. frog with magic stars as weapons, or a biotechnically
engineered mutant with the sewers of paris as your arena.

Torajima

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In article <357a1794...@news.earthlink.net>,
darienno...@nospamhotmail.com (Darien Allen) wrote:

> And the holy hosts all joined in as Torajim...@THISmindspring.com
> (Torajima) gifted us with these words:
>
> >And only about 40 are worth playing. Still, I'll admit, this is more than
> >the N64 has.
>
> Are we going to go through this again? Obviously there are more than
> 40 worth playing...hell many of us own at least 40 and can name more
> that we would buy.

Perhaps I'm pickier than most. I'd be hard pressed to name even 30
Playstation games I enjoyed. Last year, I played both the N64 and the SNES
more than my Playstation. This year though, it's swinging back to the
Playstation side of things, mostly because of all the new RPGs.

Torajima

Torajima

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In article <greg-ya02408000R...@news.connect.net>,
gr...@nospam.com (greg) wrote:

> yeah, N64 has it's cutesey factor. but i've seen a bit of it on
> playstation. hot shots golf anyone? isn't crash bandicoot a little cutesy?
> micro machines? PARAPPA?

Add Breath of Fire 3, Puzzle Fighter, and Jumping Flash to that list. And
no one called these games "Kiddie games".

Again, having cute graphics does not mean it is automatically a Kiddie game.

I beat Ridge Racer in a single day, I still haven't beaten Diddy Kong Racing.

Torajima

Jimmi Alexander

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Where are the football games......

ISS 64 and the upcoming ISS98
as well as Fifa98 and World Cup 98
are the best on any system

Fighters Destiny is my favourite fighting game

Agreed on realistic racing games though...we'll have to wait on
that..lets hope GTI Club, V-Rally amd Rev Limit will be good enough.

Wait until you get your paws on Zelda....ooh you are going to love it.

Although where is the Starfox, Quake, Goldeneye or Mariokart on the
Playstation. Its all very well having millions of badly constructed
polygon games that take a decade to load but....er....but.....er i
suppose thats my point.

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> On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 00:39:42 GMT, David Newman
> <david...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >Reason to buy N64: Goldeneye 007
>
> Plus Wave Race, 1080, DKR, Blast Corps, Turok, NBA Courtside, Mario
> Kart...plus the games we got coming up.
>

dont forget that they are more hype & disappointment when you actualy get
most of them. Not to mention overpriced.

> >Reason to buy Playstation:
> >1. HUNDREDS of games available
>
> Some games are great, some stink....
>

but still more quality titles than N64

> >2. Most games less than $40 -- many classics are $20. (Where are the N64
> >budget titles??)
>
> Some places, like Target and Wal-Mart have brought down prices on some
> titles (albeit older 3rd party titles) to $20-$30.
>

would you buy tekken or tekken 2 for $20-25?
or would you buy wargods for $20-30? (even $10.00 is too high for such
games)

> >3. New price for a limited time: $129.
>
> Same for the N64.
>

but the rumble pak needs batteries while dual shock does not


> >I agonized over this too -- I bought a PSX and still rent an N64 from
> >time to time.... I'm glad I went the route I did!
>
> The best route anyone could go is to own both and enjoy what both
> systems have to offer.
>

best to have all the systems to avoid these system wars :) but then you wind
up using 1 system more than the other & thats the system you should buy :)

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>I beat Ridge Racer in a single day, I still haven't beaten Diddy Kong Racing.

Try that stunt with Rage Racer.

Darien Allen

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>In article <357a1794...@news.earthlink.net>,


>darienno...@nospamhotmail.com (Darien Allen) wrote:
>
>> And the holy hosts all joined in as Torajim...@THISmindspring.com
>> (Torajima) gifted us with these words:
>>

>> >And only about 40 are worth playing. Still, I'll admit, this is more than
>> >the N64 has.
>>
>> Are we going to go through this again? Obviously there are more than
>> 40 worth playing...hell many of us own at least 40 and can name more
>> that we would buy.
>
>Perhaps I'm pickier than most. I'd be hard pressed to name even 30
>Playstation games I enjoyed. Last year, I played both the N64 and the SNES
>more than my Playstation. This year though, it's swinging back to the
>Playstation side of things, mostly because of all the new RPGs.

Pickier...yeah that's a word...not the one I'd use though....

Jimmi Alexander

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I hate the 'kiddie' argument too.

Cute graphics are fun and doesn't alter the gameplay. I guarantee you
will have a lot better time playing 4 player games with silly cute
characters than with so=called real characters.

What do you want to be a man in a vest with a gun or a rabbit with big
floppy ears in a coat flying a spaceship.

Anyway....i think you will find that it will be the older playes in
their twenties such as me who appreciate the cute graphics whereas the
cap wearing spotty teenage masses prefer the so called
realistic look because they're little turds with no sense of fun or
imagination

Darien Allen

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>ISS 64 and the upcoming ISS98
>as well as Fifa98 and World Cup 98
>are the best on any system

True

>Fighters Destiny is my favourite fighting game

That's a personal opinion(as you've stated), but it's only 1 game.

>Agreed on realistic racing games though...we'll have to wait on
>that..lets hope GTI Club, V-Rally amd Rev Limit will be good enough.
>
>Wait until you get your paws on Zelda....ooh you are going to love it.

wait..wait..wait....

>Although where is the Starfox, Quake, Goldeneye or Mariokart on the
>Playstation. Its all very well having millions of badly constructed
>polygon games that take a decade to load but....er....but.....er i
>suppose thats my point.

Depends on what you mean....there is no 3D shooter a la Starfox...but
Colony Wars and G Police have similar elements. As for Corridor
Shooters, if you are into them....I believe they are there...I think
Disrupter was one of the better ones(not my thing). As for Mario
Kart? I think Motor Toon GP has a similar theme, but I'm not sure.

See you were doing so well until you hit the end of your post then
degenerated into standard troll fair.....such a pity.

Gumby

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well, i have both and i prefer the Playstation....heres why:

1. More games -- the playstation has a more established software
base, not to mention more developers

2. Cheaper games -- for me this is a big one. the n64 games are a
little too expensive compared to playstaion games

3. More games I like -- again...n64 is marketing towards a younger
crowd and i find a lot of the games too cartoony for me. psx seems to
have more stuff aimed at my demographic.


nintendo has a great potential with the n64 in terms of power, and
they have some great games (waverace, for one...WOW!), but my honest
opinion is psx, hands down.

--gumby


Ken Small

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Torajima yammered...
>In article <greg-ya02408000R...@news.connect.net>,
>gr...@nospam.com (greg) wrote:
>
>> yeah, N64 has it's cutesey factor. but i've seen a bit of it on
>> playstation. hot shots golf anyone? isn't crash bandicoot a little cutesy?
>> micro machines? PARAPPA?
>
>Add Breath of Fire 3, Puzzle Fighter, and Jumping Flash to that list. And
>no one called these games "Kiddie games".

Well, I agree with your point, but people *did* call Jumping Flash a
kiddie game, both because of the graphics and becuase it was easy.
People also criticized Crash for being cute.

>Again, having cute graphics does not mean it is automatically a Kiddie game.
>

>I beat Ridge Racer in a single day, I still haven't beaten Diddy Kong Racing.

People who call the N64 a "kiddie system" either are bothered by the
fact that there arent't enough "non-cutesy" games (for the uptight) or
are just baiting N64 owners, usually the latter. I suggest ignoring
them.

(One of the best SNES games ever, Yoshi's Island, was maddenly cute,
and that didn't detract from its paly value one bit.)

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Charles Doane

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It's a valid argument, there are gamers who don't like 'cute' in their games.
Me, I don't care, the game can be FULL of 'cute' as long as I have fun.
Kiddy games can be pretty difficult, and anybody who has beaten the 'CLASSIC'
Kiddy games can attest to that. Mario and Sonic, Crash Bandicoot, they aren't
any cakewalk. I've beaten them all, except Sonic, my first exposure was the
SONIC JAM released on Saturn. The games are undeniably cutesy, but they are also
challenging and enjoyable. If people want to prejudice a game because it looks too
'cute', that's their loss. I'm a gamer, I'll play anything if it's fun.


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On 07 Jun 1998 08:22:16 GMT, bom...@aol.com (Bombac1) wrote:

>hell, usenet nothin! I know people who classify games with "cute" caracters and
>enviornments as "kiddy" or "ditsy". Its just ignorance. Yet if those same
>exact games had the texture maps switched to dark, gloomy, bottom of ashtray,
>under the sink textures, it will be "hot", 'tight" or "phat". Whatever

You forgot, it needs to have blood, violence, gore and women with big
breasts to not be a "kiddie game" - according to many an idiot here.

Mark Hendren

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On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 13:04:48 -0400, TWK/ATX <twk@ant_rox.com> wrote:

>> Plus Wave Race, 1080, DKR, Blast Corps, Turok, NBA Courtside, Mario
>> Kart...plus the games we got coming up.
>>
>dont forget that they are more hype & disappointment when you actualy get
>most of them. Not to mention overpriced.

Translation: I've never played any of them and am not aware at to what
price they are at now.

>> Some games are great, some stink....
>>
>but still more quality titles than N64

That's debatable, which I don't feel like getting into as being an
owner of both systems.

>> >2. Most games less than $40 -- many classics are $20. (Where are the N64
>> >budget titles??)
>>
>> Some places, like Target and Wal-Mart have brought down prices on some
>> titles (albeit older 3rd party titles) to $20-$30.
>
>would you buy tekken or tekken 2 for $20-25?
>or would you buy wargods for $20-30? (even $10.00 is too high for such
>games)

That's a stupid question - who'd take War Gods over Tekken to begin
with?

>> >3. New price for a limited time: $129.
>>
>> Same for the N64.
>
>but the rumble pak needs batteries while dual shock does not

When the dual shock stops "shocking", you have to buy a whole new
controller - another $30.

>> The best route anyone could go is to own both and enjoy what both
>> systems have to offer.
>
>best to have all the systems to avoid these system wars :) but then you wind
>up using 1 system more than the other & thats the system you should buy :)

I own both (N64 & PSX), along with my SNES. Those that want to argue
over which system is better, go ahead and argue. While they argue,
I'll be either playing Goldeneye, Tekken 3, Gran Turismo, among
others...

tbr...@trinity.edu

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In article <6l9m6v$85t$1...@artemis.backbone.ou.edu>,
douglasBE...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Castellan) wrote:
>
> Torajim...@THISmindspring.com (Torajima) writes:

>
> >In article <6l8qul$ngv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, hit...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >Mario 64, Diddy Kong Racing, and Mystial Ninja may be cute, but they still
> >pack as much gameplay, length, and challenge as the average Playstation
> >game.
>
> Unfortunately, they don't pack nearly as much DEPTH, DETAIL, or
> STORY, which are the first attributes I consider when looking for a game.

You mean to say that the average PSX game has more depth, detail, and story
than the aforementioned N64 games? Nah...

> Show me an N64 game that can compete with Final Fantasy Tactics, Tactics
> Ogre, Tobal 2, Armored Core, Rebus (Kartia in the States), or GT on two of
> those three factors, and I'll concede your point.

From the get go, no N64 game seems to have much of a
story, much less one that might be considered worthy of
an RPG, so I'll concede THAT point.

> (By depth, I mean play possibilities - customizable game factors
> strategy development, the support for multiple successful play approaches.
> By detail, I don't mean graphics, but the wealth of statistics, options,
> and the degree of potential influence the player has on the game. With
> story, I expect intelligent themes and believable worlds with intriguing
> themes or concepts.)

I'll add KI Gold, if you're into its style of play.
Beginning fighters and experts will have loads to
discover. No it *isn't* Tobal 2, but I haven't played
Tobal 2, and won't until it reaches the U.S. in English
like Tekken 3 (another game which should be worth my
time).

Wave Race caught my fancy with its customizable features
(wave intensity, vehicle specs, etc.). It may not be
neck-and-neck with Gran Turismo, but it seems to be
more accessible, and deserves fair comparison as a
superior racing title.

You might say the same for 1080 Snowboarding.

Goldeneye's probably the closest thing to Armored Core
on the N64.

That's all the springs to mind from my experience, but
presenting games in a way that fits another's taste is
always tough.

>
> Goldeneye is the best Nintendo has managed to muster so far -
> there ain't much in the pipeline until Ogre Battle 64 that can compete.

By those standards, probably not. Sorta like how some
don't like Tetris as much as others, or RPGs or Mario
games. Which is why many of my other fave N64 games
can't be recomend to you.

Peace to you...

Terrence briggs

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Mark Hendren wrote in message <357d639a...@news.calwest.net>...


>>> Some places, like Target and Wal-Mart have brought down prices on some
>>> titles (albeit older 3rd party titles) to $20-$30.
>>
>>would you buy tekken or tekken 2 for $20-25?
>>or would you buy wargods for $20-30? (even $10.00 is too high for such
>>games)
>
>That's a stupid question - who'd take War Gods over Tekken to begin
>with?


You'd be surprised. A mate of mine can't touch me in Tekken 3 to save his
life, but he has a better chance with War Gods since I avoid it like the
plague. So he practices it religiously and tries to get me to play him on
War Gods all the time.


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In article <3579E2...@adelphia.net>,

David Newman <david...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> Reason to buy N64: Goldeneye 007

1. Everyone else in your house thinks Mario Kart and Starfox are gods among
games (raises hand)

2. You think Nintendo still makes good games.

3. You like the selection of games available.

> Reason to buy Playstation:
> 1. HUNDREDS of games available

> 2. Most games less than $40 -- many classics are $20. (Where are the N64
> budget titles??)

They're used at Funcoland :)

> 3. New price for a limited time: $129.

Ditto for the N64.

4. You like the selection of games available.

> I agonized over this too -- I bought a PSX and still rent an N64 from
> time to time.... I'm glad I went the route I did!

Whatever works. That's why now's the time to buy a Saturn...Don't think of
it as game system; think of it as a really cheap CD player that happens to
play games :)

Peace to you...

> Darien Allen wrote:

> > All those graphical effects are great....but where's the realistic
> > driving sim? Where's the 2D shooters?

Where you want them to be. If you want 'em, look someplace else. If you
don't want 'em, you got the right one, baby...

> >Where's the multiple number of
> > good football and basketball games? Where's the great fighting games?

If nothing else, this is interesting, Darien. First its about having
"multiple numbers" of good games, then it's simply having ONE good game :)

> > Where's the great RPGs?

Where you want them to be...

Peace to you.

Terrence Briggs

Darien Allen

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On Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:34:46 GMT, tbr...@trinity.edu wrote:

>
>I'll add KI Gold, if you're into its style of play.
>Beginning fighters and experts will have loads to
>discover. No it *isn't* Tobal 2, but I haven't played
>Tobal 2, and won't until it reaches the U.S. in English
>like Tekken 3 (another game which should be worth my
>time).

I will say KI Gold has TONS of options to mess around with making for
some very good replay value(can only finish with ultra combo, etc.).

>Wave Race caught my fancy with its customizable features
>(wave intensity, vehicle specs, etc.). It may not be
>neck-and-neck with Gran Turismo, but it seems to be
>more accessible, and deserves fair comparison as a
>superior racing title.

Great graphics, but seems a bit....one-dimensional gameplay-wise.
Then again I've never spent any REAL time with it.

>Goldeneye's probably the closest thing to Armored Core
>on the N64.

You lost me here.


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In article <3576D0...@nortel.ca>, Dave Best <dav...@nortel.ca> wrote:
>I am in the market for a playstation or N64. But I can't
>decide which to get. Any advice?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Dave

Hey Dave, your dilemma is one that many face and I wanted to offer
you my objective opinion. Although, I must admit, I am slightly
biased toward the Nintendo 64. That said, I own, among others, a
Playstation, a Saturn and a Nintendo 64. As far as the games go,
there are many more games available for the Playstation than there
will probably ever be for the Nintendo 64 or the Saturn. In that
regard, you are almost guaranteed to find some games on the PSX that suit
your tastes. However, although the N64 may have less games, of the core
group of quality games that it does have, you'd be hard pressed to find games
of similar quality on the PSX or Saturn. In other words, the best of the
best on the N64 far exceeds the best of the best on either other console.
By "best," I'm not saying that you will like these games, because tastes
vary from player to player. I'm talking about the sheer quality and
uniqueness of the programming effort that goes into a particular title.
For example, Super Mario 64 was hailed by many as the "greatest videogame
of all time." It was the first of its kind and has yet to be matched.
Not to say that there aren't any quality games on the PSX or Saturn. Most
of the quality PSX or Saturn titles are either fighting games or RPG's (of
which there aren't many or any to compare them to on the N64). Other things
that you should consider:

o N64 is the ultimate party system (there are four built in controller ports)

o N64 is cart based - negating the "Now Loading..." screens of the CD
based systems. Also, carts are more durable (not really an issue if
the system isn't handled by children).

o PSX is CD based - provides mass storage for Full Motion video and
CD quality red-book audio.

o PSX has more gaming genre's covered (i.e. RPG's, Dance Simulators, etc.).

o N64 has more potential and will probably have a longer lifespan.

o N64 will have Nintendo classics (i.e. Mario, F-Zero, Zelda, etc.).

o PSX games are usually about $10 cheaper than N64 games.

I hope this helps... If you have any other questions, let me know.

Maurice

P.S. When it all comes down to it. If you are a serious (as opposed to
casual) gamer, and can afford it, I highly recommend that you get both.

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Tempora

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The only cute I would like without a doubt are anime kawaii kind of cute. I
don't go for the obvious American Warner Bros./Disney kiddy kind of cute.
That I really can't tolerate to a certain extreme. Diddy Kong Racing would
be something I don't know how long I can tolerate in one sitting. But I like
the Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo, Puyo Puyo, Mischief Maker kind of cute
though. That is the kind of cute I would want in my 'cute' games. Oh,
'Sonic' kind of cute I like also, since it's anime after all.

Charles Doane wrote in message <357B25...@primenet.com>...


>Mark Hendren wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:18:40 GMT, hit...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >PSX...more games. And they're not 'kiddy' games!
>>
>> Oh geez...another idiot bringing up the ridiculous 'kiddy game'
>> argument.
>>

>> Mark - mhen...@calwest.net
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>

Castellan

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tbr...@trinity.edu writes:

>> (By depth, I mean play possibilities - customizable game factors
>> strategy development, the support for multiple successful play approaches.
>> By detail, I don't mean graphics, but the wealth of statistics, options,
>> and the degree of potential influence the player has on the game. With
>> story, I expect intelligent themes and believable worlds with intriguing
>> themes or concepts.)

>I'll add KI Gold, if you're into its style of play.


>Beginning fighters and experts will have loads to
>discover. No it *isn't* Tobal 2, but I haven't played
>Tobal 2, and won't until it reaches the U.S. in English
>like Tekken 3 (another game which should be worth my
>time).

I'm not into its style of play, but those whose opinion I respect
with regards to fighting titles say it's crap, with no real upper-level
play potential, claiming a low skill ceiling and an obvious optimal path
to play success. Doesn't sound like my cup of tea.

>Wave Race caught my fancy with its customizable features
>(wave intensity, vehicle specs, etc.). It may not be
>neck-and-neck with Gran Turismo, but it seems to be
>more accessible, and deserves fair comparison as a
>superior racing title.

Wave intensity and few vehicle specs do not a game with sim-level depth
make. Wave Race is great as a casual game, but GTs multiple licenses,
160+ vehicles, and scads upon scads of customizable details (engine torque,
brake fitting, tire choice, multiple engine upgrade, muffler fitting, etc)
are LIGHT YEARS beyond any depth seen in 1080 or Wave Race. One can spend
weeks just tweaking ONE car, much less all 160, and racing it. Wave Race,
OTOH, boils down to an arcade racer at heart. Fun, but shallow.

>Goldeneye's probably the closest thing to Armored Core
>on the N64.

Er, no. Goldeneye's depth comes from the interactivity of the
environments and the AI of the enemies. AC's depth comes from the 80K+
possible mech configurations and the prefitting before missions. Goldeneye
is still a very deep and incredible game, though - it reacts intelligently
and allows for dynamic, intelligent, and varied play approaches.


The N64 does arcade-y titles VERY well - I'm not arguing that it
is inferior in an objective sense, which would be silly. I'm simply
elucidating as to why it is that some folks don't consider the N64 to be
a viable gaming platform when their own personal gaming tastes are
considered.

Agent007

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Hey I have both N64 and Playstion and getting a Saturn soon. I don't have
alot of money, just what I get from allowence (you can guess my age). I love
all of the systems. I would tell you to get a Playstation because there is
so many games but then again I could tell you to get a N64 because Zelda64
is COMMING out but not for awhile. I just love saturn games, mostly because
I like jap animation. But I think you should get a Playstation so you can
play many games for cheap.

Kevin Williams
E-Mail: cmos...@earthlink.net

Naz Reyes

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Jun 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/9/98
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Darien Allen wrote:
>
> Great graphics, but seems a bit....one-dimensional gameplay-wise.
> Then again I've never spent any REAL time with it.

One-dimensional? Hmm, it DOES sound like you haven't spent any
REAL time with it :-) Waverace is the closest thing you will get
to ACTUALLY jetskiing in a real lake/body of water! And doing
all sorts of stunts (great animation!) is about as NON-one-dimensional
as you could get :)

Not only is the racing/environments/animation so real, the
gameplay is the closest to reality as any game could get.

Do yourself a favor, Darien. Cover your PSX and play Waverace
on your N64 for a change! heehee.

-Naz

>
> >Goldeneye's probably the closest thing to Armored Core
> >on the N64.

Goldeneye is NOTHING like any game on the Playstation :-)

Adam Gott/usenet

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Dateline: 9 Jun 1998 14:02:16 GMT -- Author:
douglasBE...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Castellan)

>are LIGHT YEARS beyond any depth seen in 1080 or Wave Race. One can spend
>weeks just tweaking ONE car, much less all 160, and racing it. Wave Race,
>OTOH, boils down to an arcade racer at heart. Fun, but shallow.

It has been my own personal experience that I will rarely spend this
ammount of time doing anything like this. I don't know how much this
holds true for others but generally I am ready to move on to the next
game after a while.

I do agree with your comments about Wave Racer - I had a one week
rental and hardly played it at the end of that week. It was a fun
game but kind of shallow. We are still waiting for a good racing game
for the N64...


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Jun 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/10/98
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And the holy hosts all joined in as Naz Reyes <N...@american.edu>

gifted us with these words:

>One-dimensional? Hmm, it DOES sound like you haven't spent any


>REAL time with it :-) Waverace is the closest thing you will get
>to ACTUALLY jetskiing in a real lake/body of water! And doing
>all sorts of stunts (great animation!) is about as NON-one-dimensional
>as you could get :)
>
>Not only is the racing/environments/animation so real, the
>gameplay is the closest to reality as any game could get.
>
>Do yourself a favor, Darien. Cover your PSX and play Waverace
>on your N64 for a change! heehee.

Umm stunts? No thanks, not my thing.

MAD

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On 4 Jun 1998 21:06:48 GMT, tig...@ix.netcom.com(Ed Giangrande) wrote:

>Here's a way.. wait a few months.. see what comes out by X-mas time
>when we might see a few real games comming out on N64.. why make a
>choice now when for all anyone knows PSX might drop to $99 by
>september, and/or Zelda could be the biggest game ever or the biggest
>bust ever..
>
>

Well he might want to make a choice now because he might want to play
some games now. You can always hold out for the latest best thing. Why
not just wait a year for DC then and then maybe just wait for PSX2?
Why not just wait forever and not play any games at all.

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