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AJSTAY

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Oct 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/30/99
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I am working on a Tron full size upright, and the power supply was unusable. I
pulled out the entire power supply and installed a switcher. The game now
works perfect, but to get it to boot up, I have to put the purple reset wire on
+5 before I turn it on, then turn it on, take it off for a second, then put it
back on.

In other words, to boot the reset line must go HIGH, LOW, HIGH. Is there a
timer circuit that I can build that can do this for me? This game is going to
be used comercially, and we don't want to have to explain to the people at the
location how to boot the game every time they turn it on.

Any ideas? Anyone else have to do this before?

Thanks,
AJS...@AOL.COM

Atarijim

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Oct 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/30/99
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I hope that lots of people read this hack, as it works for me every time. The
problem with the original PS in the MCR games is that the memory battery leaks
and eats up the reset circuit. Usually it takes alot of time to repair so I did
an expieriment. The reset is just a +5vdc signal that is timed to allow the
logic power to stabilize before cpu startup. By removing Q201 on the original
PS that had failed reset output, you allow a 5vdc charge through R215 1.2K to
the reset output. Simply stated, abandon the entire pump charger and one shot
circuits and just have 5vdc going through a 1.2k resistor. I have not tried
this with a switcher, but it works every time on the original. Try installing a
1.2 or higher 1/2 watt resistor between the 5vdc output of the switcher to the
purple rest wire. Hope this helps and let me know the results.


atarijim

Mark C. Spaeth

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Oct 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/30/99
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AJSTAY (ajs...@aol.com) wrote:
: I am working on a Tron full size upright, and the power supply was unusable. I

: pulled out the entire power supply and installed a switcher. The game now
: works perfect, but to get it to boot up, I have to put the purple reset wire on
: +5 before I turn it on, then turn it on, take it off for a second, then put it
: back on.
:
: In other words, to boot the reset line must go HIGH, LOW, HIGH. Is there a
: timer circuit that I can build that can do this for me? This game is going to
: be used comercially, and we don't want to have to explain to the people at the
: location how to boot the game every time they turn it on.

Look at the uP reset circuit on just about an atari game and copy it :)

Basicaly an R-C tuned to meet the appropriate reset delay implemented
with the LM3900's on the original PS board...

Does anyone know offhand what this delay is?

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Jeff

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Oct 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/30/99
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Just a newbie question. Why can't you put the line to +5v? I have a
Taito Jungle King that I did it to and it works fine. I also have a Tron
that was converted to a switcher and this was done there too(any comments
scottith?).

I could be wrong but I think this is what is being talked about here.

-Jeff

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MacMan <ogo...@zip.com.au> wrote in message
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> Have a look at the Qix to JAMMA doc on spies. The taito boards had a
> strange reset line too and they have a small diode and cap circuit to get
> around that.
>
> certainly wouldn't hurt anything
>
> Cheers
> MacMan
>
> In article <19991030060017...@ng-fs1.aol.com>, ajs...@aol.com


> (AJSTAY) wrote:
>
> > I am working on a Tron full size upright, and the power supply was
> unusable. I
> > pulled out the entire power supply and installed a switcher. The game
now
> > works perfect, but to get it to boot up, I have to put the purple reset
> wire on
> > +5 before I turn it on, then turn it on, take it off for a second, then
put it
> > back on.
> >
> > In other words, to boot the reset line must go HIGH, LOW, HIGH. Is
there a
> > timer circuit that I can build that can do this for me? This game is
going to
> > be used comercially, and we don't want to have to explain to the people
at the
> > location how to boot the game every time they turn it on.
> >

> > Any ideas? Anyone else have to do this before?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > AJS...@AOL.COM
>

> --
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MacMan

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Oct 31, 1999, 2:00:00 AM10/31/99
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Rob Carroll

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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Any info here should be usable on a Spy Hunter, too, right? My PS is all sorts of
f*cked up, and I'd love to throw a switcher in there instead.

Thanks!
Rob

David Choi - ELCO/P96

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Nov 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/2/99
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The main CPU stack will power up with the /RESET line left floating.

The main game will work with the /RESET line floating, and so will
the CSD board. However, the line should be left disconnected at
the PS, not from each other.

Others with more experience can comment on this.

Rob Carroll (rcar...@thecia.net) wrote:
: Any info here should be usable on a Spy Hunter, too, right? My PS is all sorts of

John Robertson

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Nov 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/4/99
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Floating is not good for RESET. IF you are using a computer switching
supply try the "POWER GOOD" line to run the RESET. Otherwise a simple
capacitor and pull-up resistor would be a good idea.

John :-#)#

On 2 Nov 1999 17:37:02 GMT, d3c...@acs.ryerson.ca (David Choi -
ELCO/P96) wrote:

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Dave Whitman

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Nov 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/5/99
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John Robertson <j...@flippers.com> wrote in message
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> Floating is not good for RESET. IF you are using a computer switching
> supply try the "POWER GOOD" line to run the RESET. Otherwise a simple
> capacitor and pull-up resistor would be a good idea.
>

So can somebody please detail exactly how to do a switcher in a MCR game.I'm
a little confused on how to do it.


Dave

Brendan Keith

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Nov 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/5/99
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I've used a switcher and an original linear with the reset
circuit fried out. In both cases I just bent out the reset pin
on the game board, allowing it to float. It boots up fine 99%
of the time.

John knows what he's talking about but I'm just telling
you what worked for me.

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brenda...@wilcom.com

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