OT: Gas prices
Zinfer
goes down to 55. About 6 gallons of gas a day gets me to work and
back. That's $16 on the average a day.
And now their talking the Spring and Summer driving season....what
other excuse have they got? Katrina..... Iran.....next made up reason
to inflate their profits? There's probably about 15 different gas
companies in this town and their all $2.49 a gallon. Is there some
reason these profiteers won't compete with each other?
This is getting ridiculous.
Someone mentioned Coconuts as fuel. Another mentions corn. Yet
another mentions hydrogen. What difference is this going to make to
me? Since it's the same oil companies posting record profits and not
passing along anything but an inflated bill to the American public,
that would be in line to collect your cash at the pump what is the
difference in using an alternative fuel? It all needs to be refined,
produced and sold. It'd be just the same old song and dance routine
all over again with these guys. Oh this happened, well that may
happen, well we had a drought in Elida, Ohio. The pests are eating
our corn. The water was polluted, the coconuts weren't ripe enouph
this year.
What needs to happen is for air, water, the sun to be used. Something
these same guys can't get their hands on to market. An engine that
operates on something completely abundant, no refinining required.
Buying the car isn't the problem, you bought it, you've paid, your
done. Buying the house isn't the problem, it's the utilities. The
continual monthly drain of resources.
Makes no difference to me if it's coconuts, peanutoil, corn or
hydrogen. If someones got to refine it were screwed.
It's a futile sense there's nothing that any of us can do to protest
the situation or reign these guys back into sanity.
And as long as that's true I don't think there's anything from
preventing $3 - $5/gallon gas this summer.
And speaking of alternative fuels, has anyone priced Kerosene for
heating parts of your home? They've thought of everything!!!
Simon Scott
> Well, I've kept the thermostat at 60. Got a 200$ gas bill. Thermo
> goes down to 55. About 6 gallons of gas a day gets me to work and
> back. That's $16 on the average a day.
> And now their talking the Spring and Summer driving season....what
> other excuse have they got? Katrina..... Iran.....next made up reason
> to inflate their profits? There's probably about 15 different gas
> companies in this town and their all $2.49 a gallon. Is there some
> reason these profiteers won't compete with each other?
> This is getting ridiculous.
Maybe you guys should get Bush to invade another country?
Joey
I need real gas to power my 300hp Mopar and unfortunately it's gonna cost
money.
"Zinfer" <rmas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Steve Muccione
I say 3 months and Iran is history as a country...
we never really forgave them for the whole embasey thing...
you'll see...
1. first we start bitching to the UN - check
2. then we'll bitch that inspectors can't get in - check
3. then we'll bring up weapons of mass destruction - check
that's about all she wrote folks... Iran is history. The damn piss-drinking
idiots can kiss their asses good bye.
"Simon Scott" <simon_...@chrome64.r3mov3th15.org> wrote in message
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Simon Scott
> Go to another country where it costs even more...
>
No shit. I did the necessary conversion, and this guy is paying 89.5
australian cents per litre. Currently in australia, fuel prices are up
around $1.25 per litre in heavily populate areas, more in the bush.
Damn yanks. They get all the arcade machines, cheap fuel, and still sit
around bitching and moaning.
Matt
that one.
This one is out of line. Bush is a fucking idiot. He went to war with a
country that had nothing to do with 911/WMD's and yet we still don't have
Osama. I didn't vote for the prick either time and I cant wait until he's
out of office.
Just because were Americans doesn't mean we have the same opinion.
Bush/Chaney and the rest of those assholes need to leave office? The one
smart guy they had left.
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Simon Scott
> You took a stab at the USA earlier today, that was fine. I can deal with
> that one.
>
> This one is out of line. Bush is a fucking idiot. He went to war with a
> country that had nothing to do with 911/WMD's and yet we still don't have
> Osama. I didn't vote for the prick either time and I cant wait until he's
> out of office.
>
> Just because were Americans doesn't mean we have the same opinion.
> Bush/Chaney and the rest of those assholes need to leave office? The one
> smart guy they had left.
Hey man, this sounds like Australia - we've had the same idiot PM for 10
years, yet noone I know votes for him.
I gotta say tho, the US seems to have more than its share of idiot
presidents. Youve voted 2 Bushes in? The first one was bad enough. GW is
just a disease upon this planet.
Jesus, one of you took down JFK and he was almost a decent guy - arent there
any whacko nutjob gun owners left in the US or something?
MARK
death69
might think it but wont say it
Matty-t
Damn Zinf...
Whats your address? I'm gonna shoot you a cheque to get that bitchup
to 65 degrees this month.. How much is the difference?
- Matt
Mark C. Spaeth
:
:
: Damn Zinf...
:
: Whats your address? I'm gonna shoot you a cheque to get that bitchup
: to 65 degrees this month.. How much is the difference?
Bah... 55 degrees is plenty warm.
I didn't even turn the heat on in my house until after Christmas,
and even then only up to 55. It helps to have cats to sleep on my
feet at night though.
Gas prices have gotten pretty bad though... costs me ~$50-60 every
time I go skiing. Multiply that by 10+ trips so far this year (plus
hotels for the weekend trips!) and it really adds up. The poor
snow conditions just add insult to injury!
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50 Vassar St., #38.265 msp...@mit.edu
Cambridge, MA 02139
(617) 452-2354 http://rgvac.978.org/~mspaeth
Gary Vitagliano
that he gassed thousands of his own countrymenin the past. Just because
there were none found it doesn't mean he did not have them. Tell you
what ill hide a tennis ball in my town and give anyone a year to find
it.
Simon Scott
If you think that Bush gave a shit about any WMDs they mightve had, youre
kidding yourself.
Chuk
Most likely 2.
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how the hell can gas make it down to 1.99 a gallon last week.. then by
the time i drive home from work it's up to 2.38 / gal.
i KNOW gas prices fluxuate but come on.
hopefully these oil company executives will take a 55 gallon drum to
hell with them to make it just that much hotter down there for them.
Gary Vitagliano
places. Also my Yugo gets 35 mpg which helps bit.
Steve Muccione
pain. So if that is the path that the U.S. wishes to choose, let the ball
roll."
The guy must be nuts...
Sticks and Stones and all that crap (really... that's all they have is
sticks and stones).
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Steve Muccione
vietnam, he tread all over civil rights (hell... he ordered his brother to
bug King's phones).
No... the only reason he is *now* so popular was because he was assasinated.
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Steve Muccione
Sigh... we don't need him. The only reason we don't have him is Packistan.
We cut his balls off and he is now a non-player on the world stage.
You should think about the larger implications and need for establishing an
elected government in the middle east.
God I hate liberals...
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Steve Muccione
The people spewing from the mouth should pay more attention to the Sadam
trial...
He has had top generals testify that they removed huge quantities of WMD
material to Syria just a few short weeks before we invaded.
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Art M - Artfromny
screws up in all his classes and gets suspended all the time gets killed in
an accident - all of a sudden he was a 'bright promising young man admired
by all'
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Art M - Artfromny
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Art
"MARK" <MARK...@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote in message
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> ZINFER RIDES AGAIN:))
Apparently though not for long if he cant afford the gas prices
Art
Art M - Artfromny
> Heh...
>
> The people spewing from the mouth should pay more attention to the Sadam
> trial...
Steve - you know liberals cant deal with facts - they just confuse them
Art
game...@gmail.com
Americans found the stomach to vote for some dip shit that put THREE
oil companies out of business. The current Bush is a complete dope.
m6onz5a
Chas
MikeM.
move closer to work or get a different job. If your complaining now
about the cost of living, where are you going to be in 5 years when the
world has really gone to hell?
The world is changing and if you want to keep up with it.....
You'd better change yourself.
change how you:
work
drive
eat
spend
save
think
...change is easier than you know and its power comes from within.
Adapt - Improvise - Overcome
Good Luck
-Mike
game...@gmail.com
common sense. What have we found in Iraq, nothing? Whats been lost?
Thousands of lives, not just American. I'm not old enough to remember
Kennedy so I'll just take Steve's word for it. My rant started when
Simon assumed were all in the same "invade the middle east" mind set.
If theres a country that deserves to be invaded then I'm all for it.
Would a liberal be for the Death Penatly?
BTW, anyone else in this thread on Comcast? I couldnt find it when I
went looking for it this morning so I had to use Google Groups. What in
the fuck are they afraid of?
Chris Bedwell
too... )
We live in the most isolated country on earth, completely isolated between
states where the only way to get around is either car or plane !.
We're being forced to drive smaller, more fuel efficient cars..
We're being made to pay the higher oil prices even though we produce our own
oil - the reason for this ?
" World Parity Oil Pricing " - if the rest of the world pays a price - our
government slings the price up, then whacks a 50% tax on fuel.
I'd just like to thank previous Prime Minister " Paul Keating " - thank's -
ass wad !
So, to our fellow american consumers - next time you're filling up for
89.5c/pl and putting 100 gallons in your ford f350, hummer, or sherman
tank.. be thankful you're not paying $1.30 a litre like we are down here..
I've not paid 89cents a litre in nearly 2 1/2 years.. hell, would be more
than that now - what, nearly 3 years ?
If fuel here hits $1.00 a litre, there's a stampede to get 'cheap fuel'..
If you'd like, I can take a photo of the sign boards next time I fill up,
then you can say " Damn, I am lucky ! - Maybe it isn't so bad.. "
- Chris.
www.myarcadegames.com
( Perth, Western Australia )
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country your in.
thrushguy
motorcycle, or move closer to work.. Most Japanese motorcycles get around
50 MPG. There are options. People will pay what they're asking because
we're a lazy bunch of folks who would rather deal with the prices than
anything else. Yes, it sucks paying $2.39 a gallon when we're not used to
it, but by now aren't we really used to it? It's not like it's been all
that cheap anytime recently. We have three cars and only one gets good gas
mileage. I work from home most of the week and only put 10,000 miles on my
truck in two years. It only gets 13 mpg but I only have to fill it up once
every three or four weeks since it has a 30 gallon tank. If I didn't work
from home I can easily say the truck would either be on really light duty or
I'd pick up a little used honda or something to commute in. My wife drives
the car with the good mileage to work and to school and the "new" car that
only gets about 15 mpg we only use when we go out as a family or for
occasional trips here and there.
Gas prices are not the crisis. The crisis is.. that we as a people will
not adapt to what's happening around us. Stop buying new cars that get 15
mpg, or buy a second car that gets good mileage and you can trade off
between the two. I understand that people need trucks for work and I can
see those folks griping but if you don't need a vehicle that gets poor
mileage, look for another. When I replace my pickup I will be looking into
a hybrid pickup or car.
just my 2¢
Scott
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AND a Toyota Prius.
Even in the 20 degree weather we've been having which has been causing the
engine to run far more often then it would if it was warmer I'm still
averaging above 50 mpg (I was doing over 55 in the warm weather)... and I
live in the mountains and am constantly going up and down hills/mountains.
The Arabs seem to have no problem with oil prices... neither do the Russians
or Venezualians.
So... either shut the fuck up, buy a more economical car or propose a
solution.
near as I can tell there are only 3 ways to go.
1. We invest HEAVILY, and I mean HEAVILY in fusion research ($10 Billion a
year for the next 10 years at least) and finally find a way to generate
clean ultra-cheap energy. Let's face it, $10 Billion is NOTHING to the us
gov't... we've spent over $200 Billion just in the last 2 years in Iraq
alone.
2. We just keep going on with the status quo and keep sending more and more
money to the Arabs (many of which would like to see us all dead).
3. We take it... just take it.. Throw a couple neutron enriched
fast-fission devices over their major cities and simply end the problem once
and for all...
anyone have any other ideas? (Other then sitting there and bitching and
moaning (wingeing for you brits))
"thrushguy" <gar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Steve Muccione
Liberalism has everything to do with it.
If I remember correctly, the Senators and Congressman who all voted to go
forward with Iraq saw ALL the exact same inteligence and estimates that the
President saw. He didn't go into this alone, he went into it with the full
knowledge and support of the Legislative branch... Republicans AND
Democrats.
However, there is an election coming up and the Democrats have to run on
something... so they suddenly forget how they voted and how now so long ago
they were in full support and suddenly discover that they were against it.
Besides... read my previous post... Iraqi Generals testifying at Saddam's
trial have stated, on the record that Saddam had and was persuing a WMD
program up until the very end and then sent everything over to Syria.
The only problem with Iraq was that we didn't go in soon enough...
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like we'll never know what really happened to Kennedy or at Area51 :-)!
I just hate it when where all lumped together as a single type. Whether
its coming from some guy in Australia or Muslims that want us dead just
cuz we live here. Were never all going to agree, that's what makes this
country what it is.
Perhaps the first Bush should have kept pushing the issue and torn
Saddam a new asshole.
Maybe Comcast local servers in Denver Colorado dumped the thread. Thats
a bit odd if you ask me.
phoenixarcade.com
politics out of this group
that loser simon from perth sure has stirred the pot with his
anti-american hatred.
syn...@gmail.com
it just comes right out the tailpipe.....
Ba, da, dum, dump!
I hear folks bemoaning the gas prices all the time, yes they suck- but
have you stopped to think about how much you might be wasting
elsewhere, maybe on credit card interest? If you're going to plug
holes in your personal finances, then go after the biggest ones first.
So it cost you an extra $5 bucks to fill up this week? Consider what
you're wasting elsewhere, you can't lower gas prices all by yourself
but you can sharpen your finances to offset them and in the process
you'll end up happier and better off.
If you own a home then make sure you've got a fixed rate mortgage right
now, consolidate your debt into the re-fi and you'll not only be able
to deduct the interest, you'll lower your total monthly payment. Don't
fall for the adjustable rate BS, go with fixed (adjustable rates are
only recommended for special circumstances). Use a strong local bank
and avoid companies that *only* do refinance work, they're in it for
the fees and your note will be sold to another company every other
month.
Lenders want you to select an adjustable rate note and they point out
how much you'll save over the higher rate fixed note. The truth is the
interest rates have been at record low levels and they can only go up.
When your note is sold to another lender at auction, adjustable rates
are more desirable so guess what product you get steered towards?
If you're renting, buy a damn home, otherwise you're throwing money
away.
Sorry to go OT on an OT thread but so many are missing out on a very
basic chance to make a better financial life for themselves. You can
decide for yourself, you can disagree with me, but every financial
model for building equity and reducing debt revolves around real estate
ownership, that's how the game is played.
Mike Doyle
MARK
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Steve Muccione
fucking australians should stick to picking on aborigionies and leave the
rest of the world to the countries with balls
;0
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MARK
i do for income now that im almost sold out of Video game stuff is im a
Courier specialist technician.In other words i deliver shit:).I used those
technical terms i got from the well renowned JOHN FIELDS:))The self
proclaimed Gods Gift to the world of all trades:).Yea Right.Hahahah.At least
i tell it like it is and don't give myself important sounding titles to try
and impress people.Im not embarrassed in any way i make an honest living.I
also do home Appraisals and i don't tell people im a HIGHLY TRAINED DOMICILE
ESTIMATE ENGINEER.Give me a brake.I went to school for this for about 3
months and got my diploma and i only did it because i have a connection with
the company.My son works there selling Mortgages and makes unbelievable
money.I actually make an average of 60+ dollars an hour so i had to grab
that job.The only drawback is i don't get as many hours yet as i need so i
deliver shit for a company and actually make fairly good money at that
too.Anyway getting back to what Thrushguy said.Since i average about 200
mile driving a day.I fill one of the 2 tanks on my truck everyday and it
comes out to about 40-50 bucks a day and that eats up a huge portion of my
paycheck.That being said im shopping for a truck that will get the absolute
most miles to the gallon i can find since both my jobs right now consist of
lots of driving.You have to adapt instead of complaining at this point.High
gas prices are nothing new anymore so get with the program and as most
Americans do just get on with life and stop blaming every single thing on
the President.Geez they blamed him for a Hurricane?????.I know there is way
more to that statement but i think he is doing a great job and i fully stand
behind him as we should all do.I mean he is our leader at this time so why
not support him instead of berating and blaming him for all our problems.I
realize everyone has their opinion but we should come together as a nation
and the first thing we need to do is deport all the Liberals and Tree
Huggers!!!!!!!!!!
Classicarc...@comcast.net
http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php
http://www.drivingethanol.org/aspx/why_ethanol/american_made.aspx
Right now I buy gas that is 90% gas, 10% ethanol.
E85 is 15% gas, 85% ethanol.
Not only could we cut off the Middle East oil imports to the USA to 0%
Where does the 85% ethanol come from??.....
AMERICAN CORN GROWERS.
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MARK
by cutting them up and using them for firewood.That will cut your fuel bill
and the expense of your hobby.Then you won't have to complain as much about
gas prices because you will have extra money to spend.See how easy that
was:))
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Matt Renshaw
drop. If you pay 2.40 a gallon for regular unleaded, and 2.00 for e-85,
your cost per gallon will stay about the same.
MikeM.
Yep! The credit card crunch is is going to hurt more than higher energy
costs. Some people are just pennywise but dollar foolish.
-Mike
syn...@gmail.com
available, the problem with alcohol is that it has a lower BTU value
for the same liquid measure as gasoline does. Alcohol is "hygroscopic"
meaning it attracts water so it introduces another set of problems for
fleet usage, storage, climate use, ect.
Flex fuel vehicles only exist because of the govenment incentives for
automakers and the subsidy for e-85 fuel production.
The main problem with e-85 blended fuels is this- while corn seems like
a great home grown renewable resource the economics are that the
alcohol yielded from corn requires more energy than is produced from
the process.
The real answer isn't hydrogen either, it's co-generation
turbine/electric vehicles that will run on almost anything and still
perform up to current standards required by today's drivers. No
infastructure changes required, enhanced options for fuel (driving and
funding their own infastructure), and lower emissions.
Unfortunately the mob wants hydrogen and legislation like the
zero-emission laws in CA stiffle development of turbine/electric drive
systems. I guess I'll build my own :-)
Mike Doyle
Matt
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Mark C. Spaeth
: Mark you should move out to the Burbs, gas has dropped to $1.99 in some
: places. Also my Yugo gets 35 mpg which helps bit.
I was just going for the satire...
When we gonna swap crap?
*All* of my games got kicked out of work, so Q's riding in the back of my
car until I get put it all back together... the boards are next to leave :(
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Simon Scott
hehehe... you sepos are so sensitive.
Sit down and have a bud (or whatever crap you guys call beer) and chill out.
Simon Scott
> 2. We just keep going on with the status quo and keep sending more and
> more money to the Arabs (many of which would like to see us all dead).
Well, lets be fair here - the Arabs are far from the only people on earth
who want to see all American's dead. :)
Simon Scott
> Its sort of like when the high school bully that no one can stand and that
> screws up in all his classes and gets suspended all the time gets killed
> in an accident - all of a sudden he was a 'bright promising young man
> admired by all'
>
Yeh, point taken, Ill buy that. :)
Simon Scott
> Iran AmabASSador: "But the United States is also susceptible to harm and
> pain. So if that is the path that the U.S. wishes to choose, let the ball
> roll."
>
> The guy must be nuts...
>
> Sticks and Stones and all that crap (really... that's all they have is
> sticks and stones).
Hey, I think its a fair call.
The US govt seem to think they can win wars with fancy technology by remote
control. It just doesnt work.
Why are there still bombings and violence in Iraq? Does it sound like the
American's have a grip on things? Its exactly the same as Vietnam. The only
way to truly kick someones ass is to jump into the pit with them with a
knife. Standing at the top lobbing stones might seem like a good idea, but
all it does it piss the guy off.
I think most American's think they have this invincible military. Thousands
of your own young men and women died in Iraq, and the job is still far from
done. All war sucks, its not easy, technology will not win it for you, real
men die on real battlefields, and its almost impossible to win when
basically the entire country is riddled with enemy soldiers posing as
civilians.....
RedWolfJC
everything except the vietnam thing, and the popularity, Vietnam
started long before JFK, he just intensified our involvement, whether
thats his fault or not well, I'll leave that up to the history books to
decide. And he was popular before he was killed, but again probably
due to the fact that he was eye candy for the ladies! Oh yeah and the
whole Cuban Missile Crisis thing too (again right or wrong I'll leave
that to the historians to decide, since reality is a far cry from the
Kevin Costner thirteen days movie) I think you have to go back to
George Washington to find a president who was not criticized for a
whole heck of a lot though.
RedWolfJC
drop. If you pay 2.40 a gallon for regular unleaded, and 2.00 for e-85,
your cost per gallon will stay about the same."
Yeah but I'd rather spend the money on ethanol grown from American
Farmers, than spend it on foreign oil. One thing they can't do in the
middle east yet is grow corn :)
RedWolfJC
not invading Iraq and were committing suicide on the streets of
Baghdad? I mean really, do you really believe that they secretly moved
all of their wmd's to Syria just a couple of weeks before the invasion?
Don't you think there would be surveillance of that? I mean they used
spy sattelites to supposedly discover the locations of the chemical
plants, why wouldn't they have sat. images of the weapons being moved,
and therefore justifying an invasion of Syria as well? Do you think
Syria would have even taken them, don't you think they would be worried
the US would follow the trail and invade there next? And in order to
develop WMD's you have to have the capabilities to do so, which none of
that was found, it's possible that they may have destroyed some of it,
or moved some of it, but not to the scale that the weapons program was
described (I remember Bush stating that within 48 hrs they could launch
a full scale attack that would wipe Israel off the map as well as many
of their neighbors.)
Pretty much every one in the administration has stated that there were
mistakes made, Bush himself has even backed down on the allegations of
the presence of WMD.
I still don't disagree that Saddam was pursuing a WMD program, it's
just that he didn't have the resources to do so effectively, and the
risk was way overstated, was that Bush's Fault? Maybe, or maybe he was
a victim of bad intel just like everyone else was.
Simon Scott
> Aren't these the same Generals who stated that American soldiers were
> not invading Iraq and were committing suicide on the streets of
> Baghdad? I mean really, do you really believe that they secretly moved
> all of their wmd's to Syria just a couple of weeks before the invasion?
Repeat after me: Bush does not care about WMDs. Bush does not care about
WMDs.
RedWolfJC
stove. if you don't there's just something else to spend money on :)
Of course the fumes from the paint might be a problem...
Did Arcade games before a certain year (1978 iirc)use lead based
paints, or even after that because they wouldn't fall under the same
rules as house paint?
Steve Muccione
If it was still a war then there would be a 16 hour a day curfu, house to
house searches by heavy assault teams, etc.
This isn't a war, it's not even an occupation any longer. Right now it's
trying to be an exercise in establishing a democratic goven't and training
their own troops/police to the point where they can handle their own civil
unrest.
But yes, the US military is fully capable of winning a war by remote
control. We don't have to have any men on the ground if we don't want to.
We DO, however have to be willing to accept a large number of enemy
casualties which we havn't been willing to do, but have instead been willing
to sacrifice the lives of our own soldiers in order to keep the enemy
civilian casualties to an absolute minimum.
> Standing at the top lobbing stones might seem like a good idea, but all it
> does it piss the guy off.
It's hard to be pissed off when your dead... you see, the "stones" we're a
lobbing happen to be HE fragmentation rounds that don't leave a lot of room
to be pissed off after one goes off any where near you.
> technology will not win it for you
Yes, it will... see Desert Shield/Storm. Outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1 yet our
kill rate was something like 2000+ to 1.
Technology and training did that.
> most American's think they have this invincible military.
See the above 2000+ to 1 kill ratio
>almost impossible to win when basically the entire country is riddled with
>enemy soldiers posing as civilians
no... it's just a matter of the number of civilian casualties we are willing
to accept. Ask any German who used to live in Dresden... oh, wait.. you
can't... they're all dead.
There WILL come a time when we will get pushed to far, to many dead, the
threats to OUR civilian lives (9/11 was close... very very close) become to
much to bear. At that point, all bet's are off.
There has never been a US President who has ever taken the nuclear option
off the table.
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Steve Muccione
an M1A2.
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nuclear power. Just remember Iran can get oil for next to nothing.
Everyone should thank GOD that a Republican is in office. Everyone
bashes Bush....how soon we forget Clinton.
Zinfer
about a 2 hour drive. Gotta fix the house up before I can sell it.
Didn't get a relocation package with the offer so I'm just dealing
with it right now, and who's to say if it'll work out or not. I'd
hate to sell my home and be out of a job in some major metropolitan
and not know a soul there. The big city's alot different from a small
town. What you might call a meat grinder. But who's to say they
won't offer a relocation later just to get me moved down there closer
to work?
A studio apt would be great to stay at through the week but it's not
going to really save me any money. Maybe some wear/tear on the car.
I dislike change because I can't see far enouph ahead to forecast if
it's a good change or not.
Never intended the thread to turn into a anti-US thing. As far as I'm
concerned, the guy I voted for must have been abducted early on in the
first term and some imposter's in there now. He hit me with a ton of
bricks wanting Mexicans to take our jobs and congratulating India in
slaughtering our workforce. The fat cats even fatter by assraping the
working class. Were just not in the same league as I thought we were
in the first election. But he's my President nonetheless. If
Australia, France or Germany would be bad-mouthing Clinton I'd feel
the same way. Politics stops at the homefront.
All I see right now is 2.11 one morning and 2.49 the next. This isn't
Arabs slaying us, it's good old American Greed. I'm becoming more
akin to Michael Savage' philosophy so lets skip the liberal versus
conservative dance guys.
Thanks for the advice Mike. 6 gallons isn't bad for a 200 mile trip.
But it's still on the average of $16.00 a day.
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:06:04 GMT, "MikeM." <arca...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
>Holy Cow! 6 gallons a day to go to and from work? Dude, you need to
>move closer to work or get a different job. If your complaining now
>about the cost of living, where are you going to be in 5 years when the
>world has really gone to hell?
>
>The world is changing and if you want to keep up with it.....
>
>You'd better change yourself.
>
>change how you:
>
>work
>drive
>eat
>spend
>save
>think
>
>...change is easier than you know and its power comes from within.
>
>Adapt - Improvise - Overcome
>
>Good Luck
>
>-Mike
>
>
>
>Zinfer wrote:
>>
>> Well, I've kept the thermostat at 60. Got a 200$ gas bill. Thermo
>> goes down to 55. About 6 gallons of gas a day gets me to work and
>> back. That's $16 on the average a day.
>> And now their talking the Spring and Summer driving season....what
>> other excuse have they got? Katrina..... Iran.....next made up reason
>> to inflate their profits? There's probably about 15 different gas
>> companies in this town and their all $2.49 a gallon. Is there some
>> reason these profiteers won't compete with each other?
>> This is getting ridiculous.
>>
>> Someone mentioned Coconuts as fuel. Another mentions corn. Yet
>> another mentions hydrogen. What difference is this going to make to
>> me? Since it's the same oil companies posting record profits and not
>> passing along anything but an inflated bill to the American public,
>> that would be in line to collect your cash at the pump what is the
>> difference in using an alternative fuel? It all needs to be refined,
>> produced and sold. It'd be just the same old song and dance routine
>> all over again with these guys. Oh this happened, well that may
>> happen, well we had a drought in Elida, Ohio. The pests are eating
>> our corn. The water was polluted, the coconuts weren't ripe enouph
>> this year.
>> What needs to happen is for air, water, the sun to be used. Something
>> these same guys can't get their hands on to market. An engine that
>> operates on something completely abundant, no refinining required.
>> Buying the car isn't the problem, you bought it, you've paid, your
>> done. Buying the house isn't the problem, it's the utilities. The
>> continual monthly drain of resources.
>> Makes no difference to me if it's coconuts, peanutoil, corn or
>> hydrogen. If someones got to refine it were screwed.
>> It's a futile sense there's nothing that any of us can do to protest
>> the situation or reign these guys back into sanity.
>> And as long as that's true I don't think there's anything from
>> preventing $3 - $5/gallon gas this summer.
>> And speaking of alternative fuels, has anyone priced Kerosene for
>> heating parts of your home? They've thought of everything!!!
>
MARK
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thing my customers pay for my gas not me ;)
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>> "Simon Scott" <simon_...@chrome64.r3mov3th15.org> wrote in message
Retro-Arcade
and there were a ton of tree huggers, and hippies picketing outside the
area held at bay by the State patrol.
It got close to violent out there. On the way out I told a couple of
losers with signs to "get a job"! The tree hugger responds "man I
got a job"! I said "thank your president"!
Whenever we travel outside of the country I take my W tshirt, you want
to talk about people coming up to me and telling me how much they hate
that guy. funny to me it's our country, and I happen to like a lot of
things the guy stands for. We need more gun slingers less pussies.
I'll never forget that day 9-11 but it seems to me some of you people
have. It's sad indeed.
Art M - Artfromny wrote:
> --
> Art
> "Steve Muccione" <home.m...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > Heh...
> >
> > The people spewing from the mouth should pay more attention to the Sadam
> > trial...
>
>
> Steve - you know liberals cant deal with facts - they just confuse them
>
> Art
Art M - Artfromny
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>I own an SUV...
>
>
> near as I can tell there are only 3 ways to go.
> 3. We take it... just take it.. Throw a couple neutron enriched
> fast-fission devices over their major cities and simply end the problem
> once and for all...
>
A modified version of that is the way I would go - we tell the Arabs the new
price of oil is $20 a bbl and if the dont give us the same volume they are
giving us at $60 there is no more oil exports to the US, medical aid, all
their nationals get thrown out of our schools and jobs, no more food exports
to or from us (we can live without dates), no technology exports of anything
newer than 1975, no disaster relief, their ships and tankers cant hit our
ports, their airlines cant land, period - if they dont play ball they can go
sell to the chinese and go to them for the rest of what we give them. Do
the same with Venezula.
Use the military to lean on Mexico - lock the borders, start getting as
many of the illegals as we can back there, make them realize where their
bread is buttered, and tell them the new price of oil from them is $20 a
bbl. Yeah I know the companies needing cheap labor are gonna scream but
they will scream all the louder if the economy is disrupted by $5 a gallon
arab oil.
We make very sure to spread the pain for a while - tax gas to the $3.50 a
gallon level for 3 or 4 years (again, yes I know its gonna hurt but so is
uncontrolled arab gas pricing) and the excess tax be devoted entirely to
ethanol production and solving the nuke waste problem so we can start
getting our electricity without oil or gas
Art
Art M - Artfromny
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Art M - Artfromny
Art
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>
> This isn't a war, it's not even an occupation any longer. Right now it's
> trying to be an exercise in establishing a democratic goven't and training
> their own troops/police to the point where they can handle their own civil
> unrest.
Which isnt worth a scratch on an American soldier let alone 2300 dead - we
got rid of Sadaam, we have the country so messed up it wont be a threat for
years, time to leave them to their own devices and let them do whatever they
want with each other and their government - if they start killing each other
off so much the better for us
>
> But yes, the US military is fully capable of winning a war by remote
> control. We don't have to have any men on the ground if we don't want to.
> We DO, however have to be willing to accept a large number of enemy
> casualties which we havn't been willing to do, but have instead been
> willing to sacrifice the lives of our own soldiers in order to keep the
> enemy civilian casualties to an absolute minimum.
If keeping a captured terrorist fighter awake 20 hours a day has the ACLU
all bothered where are we going to find the stomach to kill civillians from
the air simply because they live near high value targets?
>> most American's think they have this invincible military.
>
It is hard to lose when you have subs with cruise missiles available - just
need the stomach to use enough of them to make up for the inevitable misses,
bad targeting, sneaky enemy etc
>
>>almost impossible to win when basically the entire country is riddled with
>>enemy soldiers posing as civilians
Damn Steve you really think our liberals are THAT bad? :)
Art
game...@gmail.com
Arabs and tell them to go fuck themselves. The problem is that all the
people in government get greedy. That greed screws over the little guy.
What a load.
I wish there was some way that the little guys voice could be heard in
situations like this but it aint gona happen.
Steve Muccione
Yes, I do, I really, really do.
They have *nothing* to run on. The appeal to the lowest dregs in society
(take New Orleans for example), they have people there who are 5th
generation welfare... THESE are the people the Democrats appeal to. It's
not, however a "we'll get you a job" appeal, it's a "we'll give take more
from those that work and give it to you if you vote for us" appeal. It
sickens me.
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Chris Bedwell
mexicans !
:)
- Chris
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> Well you always have the option to move to the USA?
>> "Simon Scott" <simon_...@chrome64.r3mov3th15.org> wrote in message
Art M - Artfromny
have killed our country's spirit
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Steve Muccione
There is *nothing* funny about liberals :)
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RedWolfJC
"Compassionate Conservative" is truly dead, replaced by the neo-con (or
neo-fascists) willing to stamp out and destroy any opinion other than
theirs. It's really sad, that someone could take something like
politics (or political affiliation) and turn it into the absolute
destruction of our country. I suppose Hermann Goering was right when
he stated "Naturally the common people don't want war at all, but after
all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy,and it is
always a simple matter to drag people along whether it's a democracy or
a Fascist Dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for a lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works in every country."
If you don't know who Goering is, a simple google search will tell you
all you need to know.
Steve Muccione
>"Compassionate Conservative" is truly dead, replaced by the neo-con (or
>neo-fascists) willing to stamp out and destroy any opinion other than
>theirs.
No... people are perfectly willing to have their own opinion just so long as
they realize that they are wrong and I am right.
And no, it's not hate, it's just a general disgust at the stupididity of the
prol's.
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Mark C. Spaeth
Hmm... those Nazi quotes seem to roll off your tongue so smoothly.
You must use them often.
:)
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: Wow that's an awful lot of hate! I suppose that the so called
:
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RedWolfJC
But you're wrong, can't you tell by my screen name REDwolfJC, I ain't a
fascist, i'm one of dem Red Commies :)
RedWolfJC
referenced by Karl Marx? If that's what you mean, I only can say is
the stupidity of the proletariat is what allows all governments to
exist. It doesn't matter if you're conservative or Liberal, Dem or
GOP, the stupidity of the proletariat is essential for the 2 party
system we have in this wonderful country to survive. And I find the
utter stupidity of the majority of Americans (not all, just most)
disheartening to say the least. Now whether you agree with me on my
opinions or not, thats fine, I'm open to debate on it. But most people
just blindly recite whatever drivel that has been spoon fed to them by
the media or their friends, etc. I hate that.
Art M - Artfromny
they are not entitled to, and many liberals do, is invent their own facts.
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RedWolfJC
for that matter any talk radio show, O'Reilly, etc. Aside from that I
do agree, people should try not to express their opinions as fact, or
just create stuff from out of thin air.
Simon Scott
Retro-Arcade wrote:
>
> Whenever we travel outside of the country I take my W tshirt, you want
> to talk about people coming up to me and telling me how much they hate
> that guy. funny to me it's our country, and I happen to like a lot of
> things the guy stands for. We need more gun slingers less pussies.
Gun slingers are fine, just as long as they have a clue. American's seem to
be a pretty uneducated lot.
> I'll never forget that day 9-11 but it seems to me some of you people
> have. It's sad indeed.
What the hell has Iraq got to do with 9-11? What the hell has Afghanistan
got to do with 9-11?
Your president has fucked a bunch of people who had nothing to do with it.
So all he's done is angered the middle east, which means more terrorists.
If he really wanted to go after the terrorists, he wouldve invaded Saudi
Arabia where most of them are from.
Besides which, thousands of people die all the time from terrorist attacks.
Something happens in the USA and suddenly we're expected to act like its
the end of the world. The US constantly meddles in the affairs of other
nations in which they have no standing. Even with Iraq, they only invaded
because it suited them, it had nothing to do with WMDs, nothing to do with
freeing the people.... if they wanted to do that they wouldve finished the
job in the first gulf war, or even years before when they were supplying
arms to Iraq in the war against Iran. They always knew Hussein was a
maniac, killing thousands, and they did nothing.
The 'coalition of the willing' invaded Iraq against the advice of the UN.
That makes the USA a rogue nation, and your president should be brought up
on war crimes. If you cant see the rampant hypocrisy in your country's
actions, there is no help for you.
Simon Scott
> But yes, the US military is fully capable of winning a war by remote
> control. We don't have to have any men on the ground if we don't want to.
> We DO, however have to be willing to accept a large number of enemy
> casualties which we havn't been willing to do, but have instead been
> willing to sacrifice the lives of our own soldiers in order to keep the
> enemy civilian casualties to an absolute minimum.
Enemy civilian casualties - that pretty much sums it up :)
I gotta say, its gonna be pretty funny to see how most americans will react
when they are no longer the main superpower in the world.
I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords.
phoenixarcade.com
Simon Scott wrote:
> preface: Oh my fucking god!
>
> be a pretty uneducated lot.
>
> got to do with 9-11?
>
> Your president has fucked a bunch of people who had nothing to do with it.
> So all he's done is angered the middle east, which means more terrorists.
> If he really wanted to go after the terrorists, he wouldve invaded Saudi
> Arabia where most of them are from.
>
> Besides which, thousands of people die all the time from terrorist attacks.
> Something happens in the USA and suddenly we're expected to act like its
> the end of the world. The US constantly meddles in the affairs of other
> nations in which they have no standing. Even with Iraq, they only invaded
> because it suited them, it had nothing to do with WMDs, nothing to do with
> freeing the people.... if they wanted to do that they wouldve finished the
> job in the first gulf war, or even years before when they were supplying
> arms to Iraq in the war against Iran. They always knew Hussein was a
> maniac, killing thousands, and they did nothing.
>
youre a real big talker behind the almighty keyboard.
one day youll make a mistake spewing american hatred in front of the
wrong person and get exactly what you deserve.
MARK
just Destroying our enemies so we don't have to lose so many of our
soldiers.I wish our hands weren't tied by these Liberal fuckheads so we
could just do things the right way for once and for all.We should just do it
with Air power in one day and that's that.We won't even lose one man unless
he trips over something on the runway or gets sucked into an engine before
takeoff.You say you want Chinese Overlords????.Why are you still here
enjoying our freedoms???.Air fare is cheap to China at this time of year and
they serve Egg Rolls during the flight.Have a good trip.See you next
fall!!!!!Fang Wy Lo!!!!.Mock ahoy a Ding Ding!!!news:4412...@quokka.wn.com.au...
MARK
people.Just read what he is saying.He should be sent to Iraq if he wants to
stay here and enjoy the freedom this country has to offer.Why is he still
here??????????
MARK
a son or brother in Iraq or 9/11 Man i would love to see his balls get
kicked by someone who is still upset about things like that.You SCUMBAG
ASSHOLE TRADER PRICK!!!!!!
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saying about us either. Lumping all Americans into one group is just
stupid. This country is made up from people from all over the globe.
I'm not a gun carrying wacko like he says we all are. Hell, I've never
even fired a hand gun.
Simon, mellow out. I also agree with Art, Steve and a few others in
this thread that instead of bothering to go over there we should have
nuked the fuckers into submission. The middle east needs to calm the
fuck down, were not going down without a REAL serious fight. They want
us ALL dead because we dont believe in the same god they do. Thats just
plain stupid! If 911 happened 50 years ago the entire middle east would
be a parking lot. Just go check with the millions of dead Japanese...
BTW, the reason for going into Afghanistan was to get the lankey prick
Osama. We knew he was there but missed him. In the process we got rid
of a shitty government that ruled by fear.
Your just bitching cuz no one bothers to fuck with the down under! LOL!
(thats a joke BTW)
Simon Scott
> Scott Simon Is a Commy fucking asshole!!!!!.We have a Communist amongst us
> people.Just read what he is saying.He should be sent to Iraq if he wants
> to stay here and enjoy the freedom this country has to offer.Why is he
> still here??????????
hahahaha, Im gathering this was tongue in cheek? :) If youre serious, Im
sorry, you need to drag yourself out the back and kick the shit out of
yourself :)
I dont live in America - I would, but its full of Americans.
Simon Scott
> I agree he will get his ass kicked if he talks that shit to someone who
> lost a son or brother in Iraq or 9/11 Man i would love to see his balls
> get kicked by someone who is still upset about things like that.You
> SCUMBAG ASSHOLE TRADER PRICK!!!!!!
OK, so your own inept Texan gunslinging 4 IQ president sends thousands of
your young men and women overseas to secure a pile of cheap oil to ensure
his own political future, feeds you a bunch of crap which you eat up,
things go hellishly wrong (again) and a bunch of your own guys die and the
cheap oil doesnt materialise, and somehow this is my fault and I should be
beaten up for it?
Or is it my fault that USA foreign policy has been so overtly crap for
decades that a bunch of middle-easterners got the idea to fly planes into
big buildings?
Im confused, which is it?
Simon Scott
> Simon, mellow out. I also agree with Art, Steve and a few others in
> this thread that instead of bothering to go over there we should have
> nuked the fuckers into submission. The middle east needs to calm the
You havent fired a gun, but youre willing to kill millions of innocent men,
women and children with nuclear weapons just because a few dozen bad guys
came from a country next door to them?
> fuck down, were not going down without a REAL serious fight. They want
This is typical American bs - you come out swinging, but you dont know who
to hit.
> us ALL dead because we dont believe in the same god they do. Thats just
> plain stupid! If 911 happened 50 years ago the entire middle east would
> be a parking lot. Just go check with the millions of dead Japanese...
WW-II was not based in religion.
And in terms of being 'attacked', 9/11 was no precipitated by another
country, no matter what your govt wants you to believe. If you want to know
who threw the first rock in the American/Middle Eastern conflict, go read a
book on your own foreign policy. Where do you think all the hatred of
America comes from? These people didnt wake up one morning and suddenly
decide to hate a country most of them couldnt even locate on a map.
>
> BTW, the reason for going into Afghanistan was to get the lankey prick
> Osama. We knew he was there but missed him. In the process we got rid
Crap. Osama isnt from Afghanistan, he's a Saudi. And after everything, their
intelligence was really worth a bunch of shit, cos they still havent got
him. Why didnt they invade Saudi/Pakistan/etc while they were at it?
Besides which, there is still strong evidence that he had nothing whatsoever
to do with 9/11, and is just some rich boy gone bad with a big mouth.
> of a shitty government that ruled by fear.
Positive side-effect, I agree. Ofcourse, the mass graves there are a caused
for concern.....
>
> Your just bitching cuz no one bothers to fuck with the down under! LOL!
> (thats a joke BTW)
The worst thing is that our PM follows your president around like a fucking
puppydog. If you look closely at GW's leg you can see the stains from where
Johnny dry humped him. He's gonna drag us all into this bullshit conflict
without a resolution.
Simon Scott
> You have to be kidding.I hope????.It's the damn Liberals who keep us from
> just Destroying our enemies so we don't have to lose so many of our
> soldiers.I wish our hands weren't tied by these Liberal fuckheads so we
> could just do things the right way for once and for all.We should just do
> it with Air power in one day and that's that.We won't even lose one man
> unless he trips over something on the runway or gets sucked into an engine
> before takeoff.You say you want Chinese Overlords????.Why are you still
> here enjoying our freedoms???.Air fare is cheap to China at this time of
> year and they serve Egg Rolls during the flight.Have a good trip.See you
> next fall!!!!!Fang Wy Lo!!!!.Mock ahoy a Ding Ding!!!
I dont live there dipshit, Im an aussie.
And if you guys think youre free, you're kidding youselves.
MARK
MARK
Simon Scott
Thats Mr Commie Kangaroo-fucker to you.
Simon Scott
> The only thing that ever came out of down under was Crocodile Dundee:))
Egads. You obviously havent seen the sequels.
Gary Vitagliano
UN resolution. He threw out the wepons inspectors. Now go blow Micheal
Moore.
Simon Scott
So in response the US invaded without UN approval - nice try.
How about you think for yourself for a change - or is that unamerican?
game...@gmail.com
the same thing to us... That Embassy that was attacked in Africa, the
US ship in Yemen (I know not civilians), 9/11, the pentagon, the early
attack in the 90's on the WTC, the 4 planes full of passengers....
Numerous other attacks. We've tried to help these people and they turn
on us. We helped Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and many others and they turn
on us. Fight fire with fire. Not lie back and turn tail. These pile of
shit ass wipe terrorists need to know that Americas resolve is strong
and we will not back down. Iraq is a mess that's for sure. There is no
real proof of anything going on there yet that guy had to go. His kids
had to go. If they weren't up to "something" why in the hell did that
have all that stockpiled US currency?
If you ask me we should pull back and watch as all the third world
nations kill each other off. After the dust has settled the rest of us
on the planet can decide what to do with the shit holes. Arts right, we
need to tell Saudi that were not paying the $55.00 per barrel. Where
are they going to sell it? China? Nope. Japan? Nope. If it wasn't for
us Saudi would be a dump.
Saudi, yep, That should have been the target of this attack for sure.
Considering that Osama and most of the plane flying terrorists were
Saudis. Problem is that our government has too many Saudi friends. It
sickens me to no end to know that we rely on those sick mother fuckers
for more then their god damn oil.
You gota stop with the Anti-American crap Simon. Were not all the same.
OK, fine I don't have a problem with dropping a bomb on some county.
You have no idea what its like to watch thousands of your county men
die as Middle Easterners DANCE IN THE FUCKING STREETS and there's
nothing you can do about it. Watching those tower fall brought me to
tears. I couldn't believe what was happening. What in the hell did we
as a county do to deserve that? Eye for an eye.... I agree that Bush is
a retard, hell that's being mean to retards. I cant wait until his term
is up. I tried to get him out of office and it didnt go my way. My cat
would make better decisions. Lets wait until Sydney is wiped off the
map and see how you feel. Chinese overlords.... Yeah, that's a great
idea.
Oh, WWII not based on religion??? What was Hitler doing to the Jews?
You don't think his motivation had something to do with some whacked
out religious desires? He was just killing people based on their DNA,
yeah sure.
Oh, your comment about the US not being a world super power. Get a
grip, that's never going to happen.
All wars have some base in religion. If you ask me we 86 religion and
learn to get along while were alive on this rock!
Matt
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Simon Scott
> Your right, I am willing to kill a bunch of civilians. BTW, they did
> the same thing to us... That Embassy that was attacked in Africa, the
> US ship in Yemen (I know not civilians), 9/11, the pentagon, the early
> attack in the 90's on the WTC, the 4 planes full of passengers....
> Numerous other attacks. We've tried to help these people and they turn
Mums, dads and children did this?
Twisted.
> on us. We helped Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and many others and they turn
Here's a clue: stop helping. Supplying arms to Iraq, including biological
and chemical weapons, during the Iran conflict simply because the Russians
were helping the Iranians was never going to end well. The Iraqi people can
probably recall where those weapons came from, especially when Saddam (who
got into power with the help of the US) turned the weapons on his own
countrymen.
What you see as 'helping', I see as 'meddling'. The US seem to lack the
capability to think 'hang on, this is none of my fucking business'.
> on us. Fight fire with fire. Not lie back and turn tail. These pile of
> shit ass wipe terrorists need to know that Americas resolve is strong
> and we will not back down. Iraq is a mess that's for sure. There is no
Yes. A few dozen terrorists take down the WTC. Lets nuke some countries,
dont worry about the civilians.
Nice.
> real proof of anything going on there yet that guy had to go. His kids
> had to go. If they weren't up to "something" why in the hell did that
> have all that stockpiled US currency?
OK, so now we can retaliate against perceived threats, with no real proof,
against UN policy, and kill a bunch of people who have absolutely nothing
to do with it.
Seriously man, think about it for a second.
>
> If you ask me we should pull back and watch as all the third world
> nations kill each other off. After the dust has settled the rest of us
> on the planet can decide what to do with the shit holes. Arts right, we
> need to tell Saudi that were not paying the $55.00 per barrel. Where
Thats the price. If you dont like it, dont pay.
Driving a V8 pickup is not a god-given right. Perhaps you should talk to
your government and ask them to stop stockpiling american oil.
> are they going to sell it? China? Nope. Japan? Nope. If it wasn't for
> us Saudi would be a dump.
Other countries do indeed use fuel. Amazing thought. Ive heard there are
even roads and cars outside of the US, although I have no proof of this.
>
> Saudi, yep, That should have been the target of this attack for sure.
> Considering that Osama and most of the plane flying terrorists were
> Saudis. Problem is that our government has too many Saudi friends. It
> sickens me to no end to know that we rely on those sick mother fuckers
> for more then their god damn oil.
And, at the end of the day, 99.999999999999% of Saudis arent terrorists.
>
> You gota stop with the Anti-American crap Simon. Were not all the same.
I realise that, altho this thread has me questioning that assumption.
> OK, fine I don't have a problem with dropping a bomb on some county.
> You have no idea what its like to watch thousands of your county men
> die as Middle Easterners DANCE IN THE FUCKING STREETS and there's
I wont deny there is heavy anti-american sentiment in the middle east.
Perhaps we should be asking where it comes from.
> nothing you can do about it. Watching those tower fall brought me to
> tears. I couldn't believe what was happening. What in the hell did we
And I also. It was a complete waste, and most of the people in those towers
didnt have a fucking clue about the middle east - they were completely
innocent.
However, killing thousands more innocent people is not a sane response to
that.
Also, dont forget - it was your own homeland security people who dropped the
ball on this one. Shit like this is attempted all the time, but it's
stopped because terrorists arent particular well organised, and generally
are pretty stupid. It could, and should, have been prevented.
> as a county do to deserve that? Eye for an eye.... I agree that Bush is
What did you do as a country? Ask your politicians. I think they might know
something about it.... Look over the last 40 years of US/middle east
relations and you might be surprised.
Not that the people in those towers deserved it, but I guess the terrorists
cant make the distinction between asshole americans and the 99.99999% good
americans. Just as some of you appear to be having difficulty making the
distinct between asshole islamic fundamentalists and the 99.99999% good
muslims.
> a retard, hell that's being mean to retards. I cant wait until his term
> is up. I tried to get him out of office and it didnt go my way. My cat
> would make better decisions. Lets wait until Sydney is wiped off the
> map and see how you feel. Chinese overlords.... Yeah, that's a great
> idea.
heh. The chinese overlords thing is a bit tongue in cheek. You have to be
aware though that the balance of power is shifting, and will continue to
shift over the next century. China and India will one day be economic
superpowers, possibly dwarfing the USA. I wonder how well the bulk of
Americans would take that.
And yes, GWB is a complete fuckwit. But hey, this is why you guys have the
constitutional right to bear arms, to protect yourselves from corrupt
governments (you didnt think it was just so you could shoot your friend in
the face while hunting did you?). The guy should be locked up for what he's
done. He didnt do it to me, he didnt do it to the people of Iraq, he did it
to his own citizens. Fucked you up beyond belief. Your children went to die
in a foreign country while he sat back with a cigar and a dry sherry. He
killed hundreds of terrorists, and bred many thousands more. Hell, if some
guys invaded my country and killed my mother while counting her as an
'acceptable civilian loss', Id be pretty fucking pissed off too.
If I were you, Id move.
As for Sydney being blown up, well, the only way I can see that happening is
if our politicians here continue to align Australia with the US. We have a
lot of Muslims here, and generally they are wonderful people. Sure, there
are a few crackpots amongst them, but name me a religion that doesnt have a
percentage of nutcases.
>
> Oh, WWII not based on religion??? What was Hitler doing to the Jews?
I dont believe that was motivated by religion. In any case, the holocaust
was a sideeffect of WWII, not the cause.
> You don't think his motivation had something to do with some whacked
> out religious desires? He was just killing people based on their DNA,
> yeah sure.
Depends who you ask. Ive heard that the jews werent nice to Hitler when he
was young. I dont know the full story, but Ive never heard anyone quote
religion as a factor. He did a lot of very stupid things, including
back-stabbing the Ruskies. The guy was just a fucking nutter. I wonder if
we'll view GWB in the same light as hitler 60 years from now? There's
probably a very good chance Id wager.
But hey, at the end of the day, the jews have been screwed over since
biblical times, and theyre still nice people. I dont think they would have
retaliated with nuclear weapons if theyd had the capability.
>
> Oh, your comment about the US not being a world super power. Get a
> grip, that's never going to happen.
Uhuh. Im sure the US will always be quite powerful, but Im afraid you cant
stop China. My only problem with China is that I dont have money invested
there.
I guess we can revisit this topic in 50 years, while we're sipping green tea
in my rock garden.
>
> All wars have some base in religion. If you ask me we 86 religion and
> learn to get along while were alive on this rock!
People realising that religion is obselete would be nice, hopefully we'll
get there one day. The larger problem is when a few rotten eggs spoil the
party for everyone else, and everyone standing next to them get caught up
in the cross-fire from the knee-jerk, firepower-driven response from the
US.
That being said, much of what we see and hear every day is nothing more than
fear-mongering for the purposes of control. The US government is slowly
eroding your rights under the guise of 'the war on terror'. That scares me
more than terrorism. The world is still a great place.
Simon Scott
> If he wasn't up to something why did he toss out the inspectors???
>
I dunno... possibly he thought that as Iraq is a sovereign nation he could
pretty much make up his own rules within his own borders?
Perish the thought.
Steve Muccione
>> What the hell has Afghanistan got to do with 9-11?
An uneducated moron also (although that may be an oxymoron (get it...I made
a pun...)).
There was a reason why the brits threw all their dumbass convicts on that
god forsaken island...
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something that I could do as an individual to stop this crap I would.
But I cant and neither can any of the rest of us in here. Move, hell
no. As far as I am concerned this is the best country on the planet.
Call it blind faith if you want, I call it patriotism. We've all heard
stories about who knew what and when before 9/11. Maybe it could have
been stopped. Maybe the government used it as a reason to go fuck with
Arabs. Who knows. I know that many Muslims are good people, problem is
figuring out who's who. Same goes here. There are a lot of douche bags
on this planet. Some of them wear their colors on their sleeves and
others hide.
We can only hope that things will get better before they get worse.