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Matt J. McCullar

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Oct 29, 2001, 7:40:22 PM10/29/01
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Just came into possession of a _Pengo_ board. In discussing it with a
friend, he said that the background music was "Popcorn" by Hot Butter. The
Killer List of Video Games says the same thing.

I haven't tried out the board I've got yet, but this doesn't sound like the
Pengo I know. When I was in my teens I was very enthralled by the
soundtrack and even tape-recorded it onto an audiocassette at my local pizza
place. I've still got that tape. I also have the original "Popcorn" record
album, if you can believe it! And these two pieces of music are NOT the
same. Did another soundtrack become available for this game, or what?
Seemed to me to be totally original music for the game.

Matt J. McCullar
Arlington, TX

Jon eXidy

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Oct 29, 2001, 8:55:17 PM10/29/01
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here is my pengo page
http://www.arcade-classics.com/pengo.html

the music is basically what the pengo music is, the real pengo
music is nothing like that.

jon

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NE146

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Oct 29, 2001, 8:58:31 PM10/29/01
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Yeah there are 2 tunes for Pengo but I've never really known which of them
is the "Popcorn" tune.

I think one of the tunes was mainly in the asian / bootleg Pengos (the ones
I grew up with) and the one most people know is from the U.S. versions. I
remember discovering this as a kid and seeing Pengo being played on the old
gameshow "Starcade" and immediately noticed that the music was waaay
different and strange. Later on, when home console versions came out (like
for the atari 8-bit) the music on that matched the U.S. Pengos so I was able
to get a definite bead on what the differences were by then.

Also I've noticed some Pengos totally take out the ice-block-clearing
segment at the beginning of each stage (and thus the accompanying music) and
start the stage right away with pengo in the middle of the screen.

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andyr

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Oct 29, 2001, 10:11:05 PM10/29/01
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The bootleg Pengo (sometimes referred to as Penta, which is Spanish for
Penguin I believe) has popcorn music. The intro that puts the 'blocks' on
the screen on the bootleg is different than the way that it does on the Sega
version.

Andy


Patrick & Melissa Patterson

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Oct 30, 2001, 6:41:31 AM10/30/01
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I've owned two Pengos and neither one of them had the "Popcorn" music.
If I understand correctly, the legit Sega boards never had
this.....it was a bootleg or a ROM hack or something.

John G

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Nov 1, 2001, 2:53:46 AM11/1/01
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I think it depends on which revision rom's are installed. I believe revision
1 has the Popcorn music where as revision 2 doesn't.

John G.

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Bayard L.Catron

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Nov 26, 2001, 12:23:32 AM11/26/01
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IIRC there is a second (bootleg)? version called "Penta" with different
(or no) music

John G <jenan...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
: I think it depends on which revision rom's are installed. I believe revision

: John G.

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jrokweb

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Nov 26, 2001, 3:11:39 AM11/26/01
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From what I've seen... there appears to have been two different
Sega versions of the game. I have several original Sega boards
running these two different versions.

One which had encrypted ROMs, using a modified CPU, and played
the 'popcorn' music, it also had a prelude to each game screen
where it played a simple tune and would slowly draw the maze,
actually removing some of the ice blocks.

The second used a regular z80 and had unencrypted ROMs, however
the music is a different tune and there is no draw-the-maze
prelude to gameplay. Everything else is the same, copyrights
logos and so on.

Interestingly enough ( or not ) I have a bootleg Pengo that
runs the original Sega ROMs using a z80 with a PAL to
replace the custom CPU !!!

Check out the high-score save for pengo too
http://www.jrok.com/sohs/savehs.html

-James

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David Widel

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Nov 26, 2001, 2:53:10 PM11/26/01
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I haven't seen a pal for sega decryption but it has been done with
proms, either 1 or 2. But the most obvious way would be to double the
program rom size and bank switch on M1. I've been using MAME to
emulate an UpnDown board modified that way and there's about 15 or 16
games that would run on it.

I've been playing around with getting pengo to run on an unmodified
pacman board. So far I've gotten the attract mode to run but it hangs
when you try to play a game. I don't have a whole lot of hope for it,
but you never know, I'll keep pecking away at it.

Dave


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Mark C. Spaeth

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Nov 26, 2001, 3:18:25 PM11/26/01
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Matt J. McCullar <mccu...@flash.net> wrote:
: Just came into possession of a _Pengo_ board. In discussing it with a

: friend, he said that the background music was "Popcorn" by Hot Butter. The
: Killer List of Video Games says the same thing.

If anyone needs a pengo, I have 2 spare PCBs, btw...

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Mark C. Spaeth

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Nov 27, 2001, 12:47:42 AM11/27/01
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Matt J. McCullar <mccu...@flash.net> wrote:
: Just came into possession of a _Pengo_ board. In discussing it with a

Ok, here we go... I finally got interested enough to track down a Hot Buttered
Popcorn MP3 to compare the pengo music... heh...

Some sites called it Popcorn by "Hot Butter"
Others called it "Hot Buttered Popcorn" by the Aphex twins

In any case, if you hear the theme as originally written you can see why
they called it popcorn. In any case, I swear I remember hearing the original
mix as a .mod or something long long ago... The theme is a little vacant by
itself (it's less poppy in pengo), but with the backing harmony, it's got
a decent groove to it.


If you're a MAMEr:

pengo Popcorn Music + screen wipe music
pengo2 Other music, fast wipe
pengo2u Other music, fast wipe
penta Popcorn Music + screen wipe music


If you want the mp3:

http://rgvac.978.org/files

jrok

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Nov 27, 2001, 2:19:11 AM11/27/01
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Hey Dave,

In article d_w...@hotmail.com says...


>
>I've been playing around with getting pengo to run on an unmodified
>pacman board. So far I've gotten the attract mode to run but it hangs
>when you try to play a game. I don't have a whole lot of hope for it,
>but you never know, I'll keep pecking away at it.

Seeing as pacman is set up for ROM at 0-3FFF then another block at
$8000-$BFFF, and pengo has a linear 0-7FFF ROM space. How did you
fix the addressing ? Did you remap all the ROM & RAM addressing ?!??!

If you did you're a lot more patient than I am ;-)

David Widel

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Nov 27, 2001, 6:43:19 AM11/27/01
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> If you did you're a lot more patient than I am ;-)

Crazy is the word you meant;) First I wrote a program to disassemble
and fix all the addressing. Then I spliced the big hole at $4000,
then found the jump table sub and found all calls to it and fixed the
jump tables. That part didn't really take all that long and it was
enough to get it to start running. There were a few obvious bugs
where it mangled data instead of addresses or where the dissasembly
got out of sync because of data sections, I've been finding those 1 at
a time. I don't know of an easy way to find the pointers to data
tables. And if it loads $3000 and adds $3000 then reads or does a
jump, well ...

I didn't think I'd get beastie feastie to run either but I just kept
pecking away and all the sudden it ran.

Dave


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