TRON Side-art sets available
ED209
what was posted in RGVAM about the quality:
"Hi, I recently bought the Tron side art that was inquestion from ebay. It
was
from seller 1dpi14 There was alot of negative posts about it. However! It is
a
very very nice piece of art. I have two Tron games. The first one has almost
perfect side art. So I refuse to touch it. The second Tron had no art
because
it was reconverted from some kind of airplane game. So that left me with
needing side art. After reading about the person who sells the crappy art
work
and Darin's run in with Disney. I pretty much felt helpless in my search for
side art. So when this side art came up on ebay, I had a discussion with the
seller about how it was made and what the deal was with it. It is pre cut
and
looks great. When I got the art in the mail I immediately held it right next
to
the side art on my other machine. Wow! It looked just like it! I bet if you
took a ruler to the artwork it would come out exact on the lines and such.
Rick
is the guys name and his email address is ed...@carolina.rr.com He is
planning
on doing some more runs on the art. So if you have horrible Tron side art or
none at all, I suggest you email him or watch ebay for it.
I have no personal gain from this post. I am just trying to help out all of
the
people who need to try to get ahold of some good side art.
Mike
Merli...@aol.com"
Email me for pictures and details.
big dog
Mark
Azarcadegames
much better than this or any other that has been for sale.
WE DONT USE INKJETS!
We also use UV cured inks. No one else has before.
We worked from an NOS set, we didnt take digital photos and touch them up.
I could go on, but I know most of you know what to expect from my art.
Im sure this guys art is a fine alternative if you cant wait a few more weeks
for the best. I dont need to post testimonials that dont use names, our
reputation speaks for itself based on the daily orders we receive.
We also hope the TRON inner art will arrive any day from the UK for sale.
Thanks
darin
Dane L. Galden
Dane.
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Herb Schanke
so
> much better than this or any other that has been for sale.
>
How can you make this claim of being "much better" when you haven't even
seen the product that the original poster is offering?? This is the third
time in the last couple of days that you've taken a shot and cut down the
quality of the other guy's product or repro talents. Looks more like "sour
grapes" due to the fact that he produced a product and has it available
before you did.
I don't know who's is better, and really don't care since I don't own, or
want, a Tron. I just think some parts of your replies have been snide and
uncalled for.
Herb Schanke
Azarcadegames
that mine will be better.
He uses an HP5000 INKJET! There ya have it. Maybe he cleaned the art up a
little to make it better than an arcadegrafix product art wise, but his
printing process is no better than theirs and his materials cant match what Im
doing.
Not only am I not using an inkjet with very restrictive color reproduction in
comparsion, but I am also using UV cured inks AND lamination. My pieces are not
hand trimmer either, they are cut by machine for accuracy.
Since Im spending so much on this project to have it done right Im going to
spout about the great measures we have taken to ensure the finest print. If its
sour grapes as you call it, then so be it. He is no different from
arcadegrafix. He offers a product people want and doesnt tell us upfront its an
inkjet. If all you guys wanted was in inkjet then all you had to was tell me so
because I can do it even cheaper than what he did and Im sure better since we
used NOS and recreated it in a Vector file. Whereas he used a Canon D30 3.1
Megapixel camera and cut and paste the 12 pics with lens distortion and
lighting issues fom simply moving the camera for each pic.
I have a nice long list of people who want my art. For the people that didnt
know the differences of what is available, Im making it known in the SAME way I
do with arcadegrafix.
Lastly, I tip my hat to my competitors when they make a top quality project. A
google search will yield posts from me to back that up. I also buy or trade
with my competitors to acquire the great pieces they do make on a regular
basis.
darin
GVSvc
this project that no one can match what he will do and I am waiting for his
very very patinenty
Rob>
Azarcadegames
bought for $250. This was before I ever thought about getting into repros. He
is #1 on my bad trader list for misrepresenting his product so poorly.
So my criticism of inkjets goes backyears longer than this thread. Its all over
google if you care to search it.
darin
Patrick & Melissa Patterson
>
> How can you make this claim of being "much better" when you haven't even
> seen the product that the original poster is offering?? This is the third
> time in the last couple of days that you've taken a shot and cut down the
> quality of the other guy's product or repro talents. Looks more like "sour
> grapes" due to the fact that he produced a product and has it available
> before you did.
I think Darin has a great claim to being "much better" simply based on
the materials he is using. Even if this other art in question does
LOOK perfect, it probably isn't made of lasting materials that will
resist fade and look right over time.
I'd trust Darin's work over the work of some person I've never heard
of before any day of the week. He pays attention to every single
detail and is an asset to this hobby.
I think most others out there will agree with that.
Rusty Shackleford
his "from" name.
hehe.
Bryan Roth
Ed. I purchased two Trons uprights in a package deal and was told by the
seller that his plans where to strip one cabinet two make the other a
complete cab. I had a hard time doing this with the knowledge of what's
better then one tron. So I took on the project of restoring both. Well
decision time came on replacing the side art on one cabinet. The other
cabinet was in pretty good shape as far as the side art was concerned. I
needed to replace it so I posted a message in the newsgroup and several
people responded. One was Ed and he came across very professional and had
pictures to back it up. I ended up buying a set of side art from him and it
was delivered. Well the tube that it was shipped in was smashed and I
emailed him. He ended up sending me a second set after all was done and I
was very pleased with the finished product. I have no regrets of my purchase
and in any dealings with him. I would like to mention I am no expert but
have two Tron cabinets sitting in my family room and notice no difference
other then the few scratches on the original which I have been debating on
replacing. I also have dealt with Darin and purchased his multi William's
control panel over lay and am very happy with that purchase also. Darin
also has a high quality and product and would highly recommend his work.
All I can say is do your home work on your investments. Ask for pictures and
decide what you are willing to spend. You will learn that this Hobby
requires lots of money and lots of patience.
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Merlin6744
guy selling the stuff is named Rick. My name is Mike. What did I miss?
ED209
prints are inkjets, simply because I feel that the quality of output from
the printers that I use is outstanding. People may have had bad experiences
with sellers who use inkjet printers, but I'm not one of those sellers.
Stating that inkjets are strictly inferior based on poor quality examples is
like telling a sculptor that clay is a crappy medium because you saw the
work of a third grade art class. If inkjets are so bad, I'd have been out
of a job years ago. Go to a local computer store and look at the quality of
today's desktop inkjet printers, and tell me that the quality stinks. Now
imagine a 60" wide professional quality printer using high quality materials
from manufacturers like Rexam, HP and Seal. I don't print on paper. I use
a very tough 5 mil polyester film and cover it with a UV protectant
laminate. It's the same material I've used on one of my own arcade machines
that shows no signs of fading in over two years. I could go to a UV pigment
based ink, but I prefer the look of the dye based inks and from my own
experience I don't see a need for it. If someone wants UV ink, fine... it
doesn't cost any more. Which brings up the cost of producing my prints. In
spite of what you may have heard, my prints aren't cheap to produce and I'm
not printing them on some $99 printer from Best Buy. I do use the best
materials available, and as a result the price I'm asking is justified. I'm
not getting rich off of this. It's a very small side venture which resulted
from people requesting sets after seeing my restored TRON machine on eBay.
I realize that this is serious business, especially for people who have
invested a large sum of money, such as Darin; but I don't think that should
give him the right to attack me and my work the way that he has. Several
people have stated that the quality of Darin's products is exceptional, and
I don't doubt it. I've never seen any of his prints first-hand, so for me
to pass judgment of them would be irresponsible. What I have seen (and own)
are products from other sellers that he has described as "outstanding" and
while it's very good, it's hardly perfect. The Robotron CPO from one such
vendor has black lines that are about twice as thick as they should be,
while the blue needs to be more cyan. The Joust CPO from the same vendor
has the word "move" on the player 1 side in white, when it should be yellow.
Hardly perfect, and I'm sure that under very careful scrutiny any repro will
have small flaws. Hell, I've even seen two NOS Q*bert overlays laying side
by side and the colors didn't match. In the end, the reproductions should
make your cabinet look as close to new as possible, and my side-art fall
well within that category. Will Darin's prints look better than mine? It's
possible, but until he ships a set it's all just speculation, and people
have been speculating about it for a very long time now. I have sets
available now with a money-back guarantee. If you do a newsgroup search,
you'll find several people who have taken the time to post recommendations
for my side-art, and the only negatives you'll read are from Darin... who is
producing his own TRON side-art and hasn't even seen mine. You do the math.
I could go on and refute his points regarding my use of a professional
digital camera with a copy lens, and his use of a laminate now when he
criticized me back in November because "The laminate was NOT on the
original", but I'm getting very tired defending the quality of my work from
people who don't want to listen. Someone once told me that you should never
argue with an idiot, because they'll drag you down to their level and beat
you with experience.
If anyone has any other questions, please feel free to email me.
Thanks,
Rick
Azarcadegames
private to those that asked. Im glad you came out and stated your position.
Inkjets still have serious limitations in comparison to silkscreening or offset
printing. Anyone that has been to my home will attest to the many modern color
inkjets that we own. I fool around with them and they have their place. But we
dont feel TRON is one of them. I will admit the HP5000 you use is a very nice
inkjetter indeed that cannot be bought at Best Buy.
But if inkjets were as good as you say they are, then the repro guys that
screenprint are being taken big time from their printers. Steven, Jason,
Philippe, Dave, Appolo and myself are all fools. Inkjet is in fact incredibly
cheaper to print and can be done as one off's as needed with minimal risk of
capital. You dont really believe we just want everyone to think we are cool
because we spent so much money do you?
Have I seen your product, no. Im posting based on the start to finish process
you told me in email. I even had a long discussion about this with the 2
commercial printers Im using on this project and they went into great detail
about what you could and could not accomplish. I could go on and on but I
touched on the points I felt were necesary to be told.
Can your art be better than previous inkjets of TRON, you bet! Is it probably
better, perhaps so. But unless we botch this terribly an inkjet print of TRON
cannot match our process.
Id also like to add that I recieved many testimonials about the nice work Dave
Taylor did on TRON, thats why I bought it. Turned out to be one of the worst
pieces of repro crap I have ever seen. Totally wasted my money. Maybe Im a
little more anal than others, who knows.
And the other inferior products you mentioned, yup Im aware of them. If I had a
true Robotron NOS cpo Id repro it in a second. I never did say all of the repro
guys products were perfect. Ive called a few out on the carpet, but was also
there to praise when warranted. The NOS Qbert cpo flaws you mention, well we
see that all the time. Manufacturers back then were pumping out product as fast
as they could with little regard to qc as we all know. In the repro game we can
take our time to ensure each piece is as we intended. I send stuff back anytime
I catch an error.
I think you could be an asset to the trading community to do "one off's" and
very limited runs when a screenprint just isnt feasible and youd surely be a
better alternative to arcadegrafix. Id even use you myself for that, honest.
Ultimately the consumer will choose and we both feel comfortable with that.
I will let you have the last word if you choose. Id also be happy to discuss
this in private via email or telephone. Have a nice weekend.
darin
Jeff Kinder
I just can't see how something from an inkjet printer can match the quality
of the silk-screening method, regardless of the make or model of the
printer. Just my opinion, though.
-jeff
Jeff Kinder
Site Creator / Moderator
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Dane L. Galden
Jeff Waldron
small time project, and Darin needs to get some of his $ back somehow.
After Disney does shut him down, he can do it under the table once everyone
knows they've been made. If I still had a Tron, I'd get them!
Hey Darin, your Multi-Williams set went up...always happens right before I
want to get something!
Jeff Waldron
http://home.attbi.com/~jeffsgames
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