Spiderman Pin in the Wild
Hans O
Real Time Sports in Elk Grove, IL.
Enjoy! Hans O
skbrothers
SSSSSSSSSSHHHHH!!!!!
Ya hear that sound?
That's the cat being let out of the bag!
;)
Someone call Real Time Sports and tell em to double their prices and
tap another keg here comes the swarm!
Steve
movierev...@yahoo.com
DOH! There's an Elk Grove near Sacramento, California. I was just
about ready to grab my keys!
Mark Malmberg - Ceres, California
JohnBuzzz
I wonder how many people will play Eddie Murphy on that sucker...
Scylla
You must not have taken the double secret probation oath! Thanks for
actually telling us where a machine is located . . . unlike several
other evasive posts!
Dw...@excite.com
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Dang!
That's on my way home!
They must've taken that POS Sapranos out of there.
Weak flippers, broken plastic, dirty as sin.
Meet me for a beer there in 40 minutes, Hans
-Dale
TheKorn
news:1178662166.6...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
> SSSSSSSSSSHHHHH!!!!!
>
> Ya hear that sound?
>
> That's the cat being let out of the bag!
>
> ;)
>
> Someone call Real Time Sports and tell em to double their prices and
> tap another keg here comes the swarm!
Said like RTS' prices weren't *already* doubled.
Another test location bites the dust.
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Magic Mike
You guys act like everyday people still play pinball. Sheesh!
Mike
ChrisWoodruff
I don't understand why people playing on test wouldn't be a good
thing. Seems to me that a group of people from RGP who "know" it's on
test and check it out, may be able to uncover some issues before going
production. I guess you may get some who say "eh, it sucks", but
overall it would be a good thing. :)
Chris
TheKorn
news:1178693924....@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
> I don't understand why people playing on test wouldn't be a good
> thing. Seems to me that a group of people from RGP who "know" it's on
> test and check it out, may be able to uncover some issues before going
> production. I guess you may get some who say "eh, it sucks", but
> overall it would be a good thing. :)
Don't get me wrong, I'm right there with you! Unfortunately, that attitude
is not shared inside Stern for the most part. So once a test location is
"outed" like this, it's almost never used again.
...which kind of sucks, since RTS was *nice* compared to the usual crap
holes they put the test machines in. :)
skbrothers
I think that it's more of a case of corporate paranoia. Stern doesn't
want competitive pinball manufacturer's to know where their test pins
are. Obviously, if the other major manufacturer's of pinball were to
"Discover" this pre-production test machine they could quickly imitate
playfield features on pending builds of their own.
Similar to when you see early test photos of a new model car on a
remote test track somewhere. Ever notice how they camoflague the car
in angular black tape and eratic paint schemes to mask it's true
apperance? This prevents competitive inteligence from gathering too
much info on a pending release.
In all seriousness, you would think they would want a bit of
constructive criticism from the local RGP crowd. Seems a bit of a
missed opportunity to me.
Oh well...
Steve
CraigC
well that was fun while it lasted. so much for pins on the north side.
-c
On May 8, 5:06 pm, Hans O <p...@wideopenwest.com> wrote:
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You should right up a review craig for the newsgroup on spidey
derek
ps see attached ?'s to spidey video
CraigC
I really like it. The only things i'm waiting to feel out is how good
the video and music will end up and what the modes are like as they
aren't really done yet.
right now playing the game all that's there is the multiball rules.
I think i've answered all questions that anyone has asked.
-c
syn...@gmail.com
"average Joe" will encounter. Back in the day when TZ was on test, it
was discovered average players couldn't figure out how load the
gumball machine so the game was modified. (brag- I've got one of the
pre-production plastics :-)
Compare that experience to what might happen if the machine was played
mostly by experienced players from rgp.
The darker side might be criticism of a game on a public forum before
all the bugs are worked out and the subsequent loss of sales from any
operators that frequent the same forums.
The player in me seeking instant gratification however says THANKS
HANS! :-)
Mike Doyle
(If only I were closer to Chi-town)
> Chris- Hide quoted text -
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>
> Real Time Sports in Elk Grove, IL.
Uh-oh, I just heard a dozen collector egos deflate simultaneously.
CraigC
has more to do with playing find the game again since it will probably
get moved.
amazing that nobody gets this.
durhhhhhh.
-c
pinballjim
> has nothing to do with egos.
Nothing to do with egos? Then why the secrecy?
If you guys are slamming the score tables on the test locations, the
entire purpose of secrecy has been defeated.
CraigC
you sir are a dolt.
-c
Jono
up there as well..that RTS gets very little "game" traffic other than
for Darts and Golden Tee. The pins "were" kinda in a back room and
not visable to patrons unless they went scouting around the place.
Not too long ago there was a RoadShow, T3, Sharkeys, and a Dracula
there...the OP pulled them all cause he wasn't makin any money
there...I talked to him personally.
Anyone know if the Spiderman is the only pin there? I am thinkin if
this location was not "Outed" on RGP they would get very few plays at
this location...
Jono
Fred Kemper
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CraigC
although he should have moved the "in all seriousness" line up a
paragraph.
-c
On May 9, 12:42 pm, "Fred Kemper" <pbgar...@davlin.net> wrote:
> And those would be.....?
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Andrew
Only one pin.
Andrew
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brokenvette
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How does it load? You have my spidy sense tingling.
A...@team-em.com
> I don't understand why people playing on test wouldn't be a good
> thing. Seems to me that a group of people from RGP who "know" it's on
> test and check it out, may be able to uncover some issues before going
> production. I guess you may get some who say "eh, it sucks", but
> overall it would be a good thing. :)
>
Chris,
A lot of testing metrics goes beyond working out software bugs and
such. Manufacturers are also interested in coinbox data, length of
game, average/high scores etc.
If a group of "Smarter than the average bear" players decend on a test
game, it can dramatically skew results. In my past experience,
sometimes the locations were even kept secret from the people involved
in the design, so no "salting the box" would occur to influence the
decision to produce a game. Most others involved would be asked to
sign Non-Discolsure Agreements.
AL CARGPB 33(1/3)
www.Team-EM.com
TheKorn
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> A lot of testing metrics goes beyond working out software bugs and
> such. Manufacturers are also interested in coinbox data, length of
> game, average/high scores etc.
>
> If a group of "Smarter than the average bear" players decend on a test
> game, it can dramatically skew results. In my past experience,
> sometimes the locations were even kept secret from the people involved
> in the design, so no "salting the box" would occur to influence the
> decision to produce a game. Most others involved would be asked to
> sign Non-Discolsure Agreements.
That's really true, and where I have to conceed (somewhat begrudgingly)
that Stern has a valid point. To wit, when FG was on location it had
been there a few days before I found the first machine. The replay was
sitting at 7M. A few short hours later, it had reflexed all the way up
to 40-50M. Definitely *not* a trivial difference, especially when you
consider the replay is a rolling average!
So I can see, understand, and acknowlege that if they're trying to
program for the average joe player that audit data from very skilled
players essentially ruins the process.
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pinballjim
> if you call playing the game 3 times slamming.
Right, I guess you guys must always restrict yourself to exactly 3
games. Plenty of time to write up long reviews, make videos, and jack
up replay scores.
What was I thinking? That it'd take several hours?
CraigC
and with Lyman showing up with the new software all our scores were
deleted....which is a good thing. with everyone swarming the test
location it's a bad thing and the game will most likely get yanked.
-c
mike...@sbcglobal.net
excursions. That wouldn't be putting an excessive burden on the
machine then. From what is said, the game is still very unfinished
inprogramming, so what is the point on going back continually to play
the unfinished game? I assume most people in the area would be lucky
to even make it once to the location let alone repeat trips. There
wouldn't likely be many out-of-state people coming in either for fear
that the game would be relocated before they arrived.
Mike
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> Fred
> TX
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>
> > I think that it's more of a case of corporate paranoia. Stern doesn't
> > want competitive pinball manufacturer's to know where their test pins
> > are.
Fred you must have heard about Coconut Island. That one is going to
be a 15K unit seller easy.
(disclaimer that I think what those guys is doing is really cool and I
would like to hack my own machine some day if they let other folks
take a crack at their build sheets)
Dan
Dan
David Haynes
Just curious?
Who are these other pinball manufactures that are going to steal Stern's ideas?
David
Chris Evans
>with everyone swarming the test
>location it's a bad thing and the game will most likely get yanked.
Yep; showing interest in Stern's -- the last pinball manufacturer --
new product is a _bad_ thing.
The same screwy business logic that gave us, "We lose money on each
unit, but we'll make it up in _volume_!"
skbrothers
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That was my failed attempt at a joke I guess. Obviously there are no
competititors for Stern. I was merely pointing out that what might
have been a reason for secret test locations in the past clearly isn't
a concern today. Thus, I am questioning why all the secrecy myself.
There have been some good points made in this thread that are helping
me understand it better...I think :)
Sorry for the obscure humor!
Steve
CraigC
Andrew
Stern has a few out there. They want real data, not jaded by non-casual
players. You made you point, and well.
The folks who want to know the test location have thrown out some lame
arguments, like, it's ego they won't tell. Or why listen to the collector.
There have been one or two good points, like, it can't hurt. or Our input is
valuable. It is valuable. We are just messing with the data they actually
WANT to get.
These games are not made for us, still. If they wanted to test the home
market they would.
Andrew
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Chris Evans
Who was arguing? You do a fine job showing what a lost cause you are by
yourself.
I merely underlined how much of an idiot you are.
Andrew
Andrew
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CraigC
> Who was arguing? You do a fine job showing what a lost cause you are by
> yourself.
>
> I merely underlined how much of an idiot you are.
haha, flail all you want. nothing changes that Stern doesnt want the
location of the test games getting out. Andrew did a great job
explaining exactly why leaking this is bad in Stern's mindset.
In the perfect world Stern would release video and preview shots (or
let Korn into Stern to take these) of the game to drum up hype and
sales as well as apease all of us who are excited to actualy see the
game. But, since they don't, Korn goes out of his way to find the game
and get test shots and video for _US_.
Yes maybe Stern could look into different options for collectors but
since i dont work for Stern and Stern isnt interrested in collectors
opinions.....THAT'S WHY ARGUING WITH ME IS A LOST CAUSE YOU DOPE.
sheesh.
waaaaa i want to know where the test game is so i can ruin it for
everyone waaaa.
cry me a river.
-c
pinba...@hotmail.com
> waaaaa i want to know where the test game is so i can ruin it for
> everyone waaaa.
Well, at least we know this isn't about your collector ego.
CraigC
> On May 10, 9:06 am,CraigC<c...@pinballmafia.net> wrote:
>
> > waaaaa i want to know where the test game is so i can ruin it for
> > everyone waaaa.
>
> Well, at least we know this isn't about your collector ego.
please email me. I tire of trying to explain the same thing over and
over again in a public forum.
-c
test...@mchsi.com
My boss ( a vender/bar owner) told me today that he just bought one of
these from the distributor.. When it comes in I will get some pictures
if I can before he routes it.
Ric