Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Rotating Quiz #233: Don't Know Much About History

34 views
Skip to first unread message

Dan Blum

unread,
Sep 25, 2016, 3:36:49 PM9/25/16
to
This is Rotating Quiz 233. Entries must be posted by Sunday, October
2nd 2016 at 11 PM (Eastern Daylight Time).

Usual rules: no looking anything up, no discussion, etc. The winner
gets to create the next RQ.

Please post your answers to all questions in a single followup in the
newsgroup, quoting the questions and placing your answer below each
one. Only one answer is allowed per question.

In case of a tie, the first tiebreaker will be whoever scored the most
points on the hardest questions (defined post-facto as the ones which
the fewest people got any points on). Second tiebreaker will be
posting order.

Casting about for a theme, I discovered that 233 was the birth year of
Chen Shou, the great Chinese historian. So this quiz is about works of
history and historians. (It could have been all about details of
Chinese history, so you are getting off easy.) The theme does not
affect the scoring.

1. However, we'll start with a Chinese history question. Chen Shou
wrote a work generally titled in English as Chronicles of the <answer
1>. Much later Luo Guanzhong used this as a basis for his novel
Romance of the <answer 1>, one of the Four Great Classical Novels of
Chinese literature. While you probably haven't read either book, the
novel has inspired lots of things, including many computer and video
games. What's the rest of the title?

2. He is probably best known for being a member of Monty Python, but
he has also produced a number of television series on historical
topics and written a book examining the history behind the caharacter
of the knight from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales.

3. You are probably familiar with the quip that the Holy Roman Empire
was not holy, Roman, or an empire. This originated in a two-volume
history of Germany titled Annales de l'Empire written by which French
author?

4. Another famous statement about history is this one, which is often
"quoted" in an abbreviated form:

Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and
personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the
first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.

This is the first sentence of the English version of a work by which
historian? The subject is Louis Napoleon's 1851 coup.

5. This Greek historian is the first person in the Western world known
to have tried to write actual history by collecting and correlating
information, as opposed to repeating legends. His history of the
Greco-Persian Wars was highly influential and led to him being called
the Father of History. However, he was criticized for including
legendary material even in his own time and some later called him the
Father of Lies because of the unreliability of his work.

6. This writer is probably best known today for being an early
espouser of the "Great Man" theoru of history, but before that he
wrote a lengthy history of the French Revolutin which was extremely
popular (and used a source for Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities). The
first of the three volumes of this history had to be rewritten from
scratch because John Stuart Mill's maid thought the manuscript was
scrap paper and burned it.

7. This Greek historian never mentioned <answer 5> by name but is
thought to allude to him in some critical statements. His history of
the Peloponnesian Wars relies on eyewitness accounts (including his
own) and is still studied today, particularly in military colleges.

8. This Byzantine historian wrote official histories of Justinian's
reign full of the expected panegyrics about Justinian and also
Belisarius, the historian's patron. He also wrote a secret history
full of stories putting Justinian and Theodora in the worst possible
light; the truth is presumably somewhere in the vast gulf between the
two. (Certainly the secret history is not entirely reliable since at
one point it claims Justinian could make his head disappear.)

9. Behemoth is the title of a work about the English Civil Wars by
which 17h-century English historian?

10. Shakespeare's conception of Richard III (and much of the current
popular image of him) derives largely from History of King Richard III
written by this man. He was mentored by John Morton, Archbishop of
Canterbury, who was one of Richard's enemies, and modern historians
believe the work is heavily influenced by Morton's opinions, with some
even thinking that Morton wrote it and <answer 10> merely edited it.


--
_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum to...@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."

Mark Brader

unread,
Sep 25, 2016, 6:13:10 PM9/25/16
to
Dan Blum:
> So this quiz is about works of history and historians.

Aieee!

> (It could have been all about details of Chinese history, so you
> are getting off easy.)

Yes, well, not very. About 8 random guesses follow.
>
> 1. However, we'll start with a Chinese history question. Chen Shou
> wrote a work generally titled in English as Chronicles of the <answer
> 1>. Much later Luo Guanzhong used this as a basis for his novel
> Romance of the <answer 1>, one of the Four Great Classical Novels of
> Chinese literature. While you probably haven't read either book, the
> novel has inspired lots of things, including many computer and video
> games. What's the rest of the title?

Emperors.

> 2. He is probably best known for being a member of Monty Python, but
> he has also produced a number of television series on historical
> topics and written a book examining the history behind the caharacter
> of the knight from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales.

Gilliam.

> 3. You are probably familiar with the quip that the Holy Roman Empire
> was not holy, Roman, or an empire. This originated in a two-volume
> history of Germany titled Annales de l'Empire written by which French
> author?

Voltaire.

> 4. Another famous statement about history is this one, which is often
> "quoted" in an abbreviated form:
>
> Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and
> personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the
> first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.
>
> This is the first sentence of the English version of a work by which
> historian? The subject is Louis Napoleon's 1851 coup.

Tonybee.

> 5. This Greek historian is the first person in the Western world known
> to have tried to write actual history by collecting and correlating
> information, as opposed to repeating legends. His history of the
> Greco-Persian Wars was highly influential and led to him being called
> the Father of History. However, he was criticized for including
> legendary material even in his own time and some later called him the
> Father of Lies because of the unreliability of his work.

Herodotus.

> 6. This writer is probably best known today for being an early
> espouser of the "Great Man" theoru of history, but before that he
> wrote a lengthy history of the French Revolutin which was extremely
> popular (and used a source for Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities). The
> first of the three volumes of this history had to be rewritten from
> scratch because John Stuart Mill's maid thought the manuscript was
> scrap paper and burned it.

Toynbee.

> 7. This Greek historian never mentioned <answer 5> by name but is
> thought to allude to him in some critical statements. His history of
> the Peloponnesian Wars relies on eyewitness accounts (including his
> own) and is still studied today, particularly in military colleges.

Thucydides.

> 8. This Byzantine historian wrote official histories of Justinian's
> reign full of the expected panegyrics about Justinian and also
> Belisarius, the historian's patron. He also wrote a secret history
> full of stories putting Justinian and Theodora in the worst possible
> light; the truth is presumably somewhere in the vast gulf between the
> two. (Certainly the secret history is not entirely reliable since at
> one point it claims Justinian could make his head disappear.)

Scully.

> 9. Behemoth is the title of a work about the English Civil Wars by
> which 17h-century English historian?

Toynbee.

> 10. Shakespeare's conception of Richard III (and much of the current
> popular image of him) derives largely from History of King Richard III
> written by this man. He was mentored by John Morton, Archbishop of
> Canterbury, who was one of Richard's enemies, and modern historians
> believe the work is heavily influenced by Morton's opinions, with some
> even thinking that Morton wrote it and <answer 10> merely edited it.

Johnson.
--
Mark Brader | "While President Obama isn't from Kenya, he is a Keynesian--
Toronto | so you can see where the confusion arises."
m...@vex.net | --Supreme Court brief by Cato Inst. & P.J. O'Rourke

My text in this article is in the public domain, and you can keep it.

Marc Dashevsky

unread,
Sep 25, 2016, 8:25:29 PM9/25/16
to
In article <ns990h$2hb$1...@reader2.panix.com>, to...@panix.com says...
Herodotus

> 6. This writer is probably best known today for being an early
> espouser of the "Great Man" theoru of history, but before that he
> wrote a lengthy history of the French Revolutin which was extremely
> popular (and used a source for Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities). The
> first of the three volumes of this history had to be rewritten from
> scratch because John Stuart Mill's maid thought the manuscript was
> scrap paper and burned it.
>
> 7. This Greek historian never mentioned <answer 5> by name but is
> thought to allude to him in some critical statements. His history of
> the Peloponnesian Wars relies on eyewitness accounts (including his
> own) and is still studied today, particularly in military colleges.
>
> 8. This Byzantine historian wrote official histories of Justinian's
> reign full of the expected panegyrics about Justinian and also
> Belisarius, the historian's patron. He also wrote a secret history
> full of stories putting Justinian and Theodora in the worst possible
> light; the truth is presumably somewhere in the vast gulf between the
> two. (Certainly the secret history is not entirely reliable since at
> one point it claims Justinian could make his head disappear.)
>
> 9. Behemoth is the title of a work about the English Civil Wars by
> which 17h-century English historian?
Hobbes

> 10. Shakespeare's conception of Richard III (and much of the current
> popular image of him) derives largely from History of King Richard III
> written by this man. He was mentored by John Morton, Archbishop of
> Canterbury, who was one of Richard's enemies, and modern historians
> believe the work is heavily influenced by Morton's opinions, with some
> even thinking that Morton wrote it and <answer 10> merely edited it.



--
Replace "usenet" with "marc" in the e-mail address.

Calvin

unread,
Sep 25, 2016, 11:33:16 PM9/25/16
to
On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 5:36:49 AM UTC+10, Dan Blum wrote:
> This is Rotating Quiz 233. Entries must be posted by Sunday, October
> 2nd 2016 at 11 PM (Eastern Daylight Time).
>
> Usual rules: no looking anything up, no discussion, etc. The winner
> gets to create the next RQ.
>
> Please post your answers to all questions in a single followup in the
> newsgroup, quoting the questions and placing your answer below each
> one. Only one answer is allowed per question.
>
> In case of a tie, the first tiebreaker will be whoever scored the most
> points on the hardest questions (defined post-facto as the ones which
> the fewest people got any points on). Second tiebreaker will be
> posting order.
>
> Casting about for a theme, I discovered that 233 was the birth year of
> Chen Shou, the great Chinese historian. So this quiz is about works of
> history and historians. (It could have been all about details of
> Chinese history, so you are getting off easy.) The theme does not
> affect the scoring.
>
> 1. However, we'll start with a Chinese history question. Chen Shou
> wrote a work generally titled in English as Chronicles of the <answer
> 1>. Much later Luo Guanzhong used this as a basis for his novel
> Romance of the <answer 1>, one of the Four Great Classical Novels of
> Chinese literature. While you probably haven't read either book, the
> novel has inspired lots of things, including many computer and video
> games. What's the rest of the title?

Three Kingdoms

> 2. He is probably best known for being a member of Monty Python, but
> he has also produced a number of television series on historical
> topics and written a book examining the history behind the caharacter
> of the knight from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales.

Palin

> 3. You are probably familiar with the quip that the Holy Roman Empire
> was not holy, Roman, or an empire. This originated in a two-volume
> history of Germany titled Annales de l'Empire written by which French
> author?

Zola?

> 4. Another famous statement about history is this one, which is often
> "quoted" in an abbreviated form:
>
> Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and
> personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the
> first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.
>
> This is the first sentence of the English version of a work by which
> historian? The subject is Louis Napoleon's 1851 coup.

Macauley

> 5. This Greek historian is the first person in the Western world known
> to have tried to write actual history by collecting and correlating
> information, as opposed to repeating legends. His history of the
> Greco-Persian Wars was highly influential and led to him being called
> the Father of History. However, he was criticized for including
> legendary material even in his own time and some later called him the
> Father of Lies because of the unreliability of his work.

Herodutus

> 6. This writer is probably best known today for being an early
> espouser of the "Great Man" theoru of history, but before that he
> wrote a lengthy history of the French Revolutin which was extremely
> popular (and used a source for Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities). The
> first of the three volumes of this history had to be rewritten from
> scratch because John Stuart Mill's maid thought the manuscript was
> scrap paper and burned it.

Johnson

> 7. This Greek historian never mentioned <answer 5> by name but is
> thought to allude to him in some critical statements. His history of
> the Peloponnesian Wars relies on eyewitness accounts (including his
> own) and is still studied today, particularly in military colleges.

Thucydides

> 8. This Byzantine historian wrote official histories of Justinian's
> reign full of the expected panegyrics about Justinian and also
> Belisarius, the historian's patron. He also wrote a secret history
> full of stories putting Justinian and Theodora in the worst possible
> light; the truth is presumably somewhere in the vast gulf between the
> two. (Certainly the secret history is not entirely reliable since at
> one point it claims Justinian could make his head disappear.)
>
> 9. Behemoth is the title of a work about the English Civil Wars by
> which 17h-century English historian?

Hobbes?

> 10. Shakespeare's conception of Richard III (and much of the current
> popular image of him) derives largely from History of King Richard III
> written by this man. He was mentored by John Morton, Archbishop of
> Canterbury, who was one of Richard's enemies, and modern historians
> believe the work is heavily influenced by Morton's opinions, with some
> even thinking that Morton wrote it and <answer 10> merely edited it.

cheers,
calvin


Dan Tilque

unread,
Sep 26, 2016, 4:34:06 AM9/26/16
to
Dan Blum wrote:
>
> 1. However, we'll start with a Chinese history question. Chen Shou
> wrote a work generally titled in English as Chronicles of the <answer
> 1>. Much later Luo Guanzhong used this as a basis for his novel
> Romance of the <answer 1>, one of the Four Great Classical Novels of
> Chinese literature. While you probably haven't read either book, the
> novel has inspired lots of things, including many computer and video
> games. What's the rest of the title?
>
> 2. He is probably best known for being a member of Monty Python, but
> he has also produced a number of television series on historical
> topics and written a book examining the history behind the caharacter
> of the knight from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales.

Terry Jones ??

>
> 3. You are probably familiar with the quip that the Holy Roman Empire
> was not holy, Roman, or an empire. This originated in a two-volume
> history of Germany titled Annales de l'Empire written by which French
> author?

Voltaire

>
> 4. Another famous statement about history is this one, which is often
> "quoted" in an abbreviated form:
>
> Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and
> personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the
> first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.
>
> This is the first sentence of the English version of a work by which
> historian? The subject is Louis Napoleon's 1851 coup.
>
> 5. This Greek historian is the first person in the Western world known
> to have tried to write actual history by collecting and correlating
> information, as opposed to repeating legends. His history of the
> Greco-Persian Wars was highly influential and led to him being called
> the Father of History. However, he was criticized for including
> legendary material even in his own time and some later called him the
> Father of Lies because of the unreliability of his work.

Herodotus

>
> 6. This writer is probably best known today for being an early
> espouser of the "Great Man" theoru of history, but before that he
> wrote a lengthy history of the French Revolutin which was extremely
> popular (and used a source for Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities). The
> first of the three volumes of this history had to be rewritten from
> scratch because John Stuart Mill's maid thought the manuscript was
> scrap paper and burned it.

Um... John Stuart Mill (just a wild guess, mind you)

>
> 7. This Greek historian never mentioned <answer 5> by name but is
> thought to allude to him in some critical statements. His history of
> the Peloponnesian Wars relies on eyewitness accounts (including his
> own) and is still studied today, particularly in military colleges.
>
> 8. This Byzantine historian wrote official histories of Justinian's
> reign full of the expected panegyrics about Justinian and also
> Belisarius, the historian's patron. He also wrote a secret history
> full of stories putting Justinian and Theodora in the worst possible
> light; the truth is presumably somewhere in the vast gulf between the
> two. (Certainly the secret history is not entirely reliable since at
> one point it claims Justinian could make his head disappear.)
>
> 9. Behemoth is the title of a work about the English Civil Wars by
> which 17h-century English historian?
>
> 10. Shakespeare's conception of Richard III (and much of the current
> popular image of him) derives largely from History of King Richard III
> written by this man. He was mentored by John Morton, Archbishop of
> Canterbury, who was one of Richard's enemies, and modern historians
> believe the work is heavily influenced by Morton's opinions, with some
> even thinking that Morton wrote it and <answer 10> merely edited it.

Francis Bacon ??


--
Dan Tilque

Dan Blum

unread,
Oct 2, 2016, 11:10:58 PM10/2/16
to
Rotating Quiz #233 is over and Calvin is the winner. He may now set RQ
#234.

> 1. However, we'll start with a Chinese history question. Chen Shou
> wrote a work generally titled in English as Chronicles of the <answer
> 1>. Much later Luo Guanzhong used this as a basis for his novel
> Romance of the <answer 1>, one of the Four Great Classical Novels of
> Chinese literature. While you probably haven't read either book, the
> novel has inspired lots of things, including many computer and video
> games. What's the rest of the title?

Three Kingdoms

> 2. He is probably best known for being a member of Monty Python, but
> he has also produced a number of television series on historical
> topics and written a book examining the history behind the caharacter
> of the knight from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales.

Terry Jones

> 3. You are probably familiar with the quip that the Holy Roman Empire
> was not holy, Roman, or an empire. This originated in a two-volume
> history of Germany titled Annales de l'Empire written by which French
> author?

Voltaire

> 4. Another famous statement about history is this one, which is often
> "quoted" in an abbreviated form:

> Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and
> personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the
> first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.

> This is the first sentence of the English version of a work by which
> historian? The subject is Louis Napoleon's 1851 coup.

Karl Marx

> 5. This Greek historian is the first person in the Western world known
> to have tried to write actual history by collecting and correlating
> information, as opposed to repeating legends. His history of the
> Greco-Persian Wars was highly influential and led to him being called
> the Father of History. However, he was criticized for including
> legendary material even in his own time and some later called him the
> Father of Lies because of the unreliability of his work.

Herodotus

> 6. This writer is probably best known today for being an early
> espouser of the "Great Man" theoru of history, but before that he
> wrote a lengthy history of the French Revolutin which was extremely
> popular (and used a source for Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities). The
> first of the three volumes of this history had to be rewritten from
> scratch because John Stuart Mill's maid thought the manuscript was
> scrap paper and burned it.

Thomas Carlyle

> 7. This Greek historian never mentioned <answer 5> by name but is
> thought to allude to him in some critical statements. His history of
> the Peloponnesian Wars relies on eyewitness accounts (including his
> own) and is still studied today, particularly in military colleges.

Thucydides

> 8. This Byzantine historian wrote official histories of Justinian's
> reign full of the expected panegyrics about Justinian and also
> Belisarius, the historian's patron. He also wrote a secret history
> full of stories putting Justinian and Theodora in the worst possible
> light; the truth is presumably somewhere in the vast gulf between the
> two. (Certainly the secret history is not entirely reliable since at
> one point it claims Justinian could make his head disappear.)

Procopius

> 9. Behemoth is the title of a work about the English Civil Wars by
> which 17h-century English historian?

Thomas Hobbes

The title is a reference to Hobbes' earlier Leviathan.

> 10. Shakespeare's conception of Richard III (and much of the current
> popular image of him) derives largely from History of King Richard III
> written by this man. He was mentored by John Morton, Archbishop of
> Canterbury, who was one of Richard's enemies, and modern historians
> believe the work is heavily influenced by Morton's opinions, with some
> even thinking that Morton wrote it and <answer 10> merely edited it.

Thomas More

Scoring:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Total
----------------------------------
Calvin 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 4
Dan 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 3
Mark 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 3
Marc 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2

Mark Brader

unread,
Oct 3, 2016, 2:16:07 AM10/3/16
to
Dan Blum:
> Rotating Quiz #233 is over and Calvin is the winner.

Well done, Calvin!
--
Mark Brader | lying
Toronto | abort reply.
m...@vex.net | -- random words at end of a spam message

Calvin

unread,
Oct 4, 2016, 12:43:29 AM10/4/16
to
On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 1:10:58 PM UTC+10, Dan Blum wrote:
> Rotating Quiz #233 is over and Calvin is the winner. He may now set RQ
> #234.

Yikes. How did that happen?

Give me a day or two to come up with something.

cheers,
calvin

Calvin

unread,
Oct 4, 2016, 12:44:13 AM10/4/16
to
On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 4:16:07 PM UTC+10, Mark Brader wrote:
> Dan Blum:
> > Rotating Quiz #233 is over and Calvin is the winner.
>
> Well done, Calvin!

Thank you sir.

cheers,
calvin



Erland Sommarskog

unread,
Oct 4, 2016, 2:49:45 PM10/4/16
to
Calvin (334...@gmail.com) writes:
> On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 1:10:58 PM UTC+10, Dan Blum wrote:
>> Rotating Quiz #233 is over and Calvin is the winner. He may now set RQ
>> #234.
>
> Yikes. How did that happen?
>

You knew more than anyone else!

Myself, I entered feeble guesses for the first two, and then I not
think of anything at all for the rest and pressed Cancel.


--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esq...@sommarskog.se

Gareth Owen

unread,
Oct 4, 2016, 3:21:47 PM10/4/16
to
Erland Sommarskog <esq...@sommarskog.se> writes:

> Calvin (334...@gmail.com) writes:
>> On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 1:10:58 PM UTC+10, Dan Blum wrote:
>>> Rotating Quiz #233 is over and Calvin is the winner. He may now set RQ
>>> #234.
>>
>> Yikes. How did that happen?
>>
>
> You knew more than anyone else!
>
> Myself, I entered feeble guesses for the first two, and then I not
> think of anything at all for the rest and pressed Cancel.

Sounds like you and I would have been in a tight last place.

Calvin

unread,
Oct 4, 2016, 8:05:55 PM10/4/16
to
On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 4:49:45 AM UTC+10, Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Calvin (334...@gmail.com) writes:
> > On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 1:10:58 PM UTC+10, Dan Blum wrote:
> >> Rotating Quiz #233 is over and Calvin is the winner. He may now set RQ
> >> #234.
> >
> > Yikes. How did that happen?
> >
>
> You knew more than anyone else!

I only knew two- the rest were guesses.

cheers,
calvin


0 new messages