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Mar 11, 2015, 11:36:08 PM3/11/15
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the usual rules of conduct and posting apply. the winner of RQ 173 will be the first choice to set RQ 174, in whatever manner they prefer. answer slates must be posted by noon philadelphia time (zone -4) on tuesday, 2015-03-17; that gives you over 6 days from the time of posting.

each question is worth 2 points, 1 point for each half of the answer. the answers are alphabetical, but not intentionally.

1. a male neck feature plus my favorite dessert with a scoop of ice cream on top
2. macedonian conqueror meets the largest island in europe
3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale
4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as farthingale
5. a singularity swallows an ace in golf
6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression of great happiness
7. a common phone feature melded with a 1995 movie
8. u.s. agency charged with protecting america's natural resources and a type of feng sui consultant
9. a foreigner studying abroad and an inexperienced automobile operator
10. alternate title for 'The Village of Stepanchikovo' (by Fyodor Dostoyevsky, 1859) with a genealogy staple
11. sign in shop window with a steve mcqueen tv series from 1958-1961
12. 1964 anthony quinn movie with pieces of tomatoes, sliced cucumbers, onion, feta cheese, and olives, seasoned with salt and oregano, and dressed with olive oil

good luck!

swp

Dan Blum

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Mar 11, 2015, 11:43:05 PM3/11/15
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swp <Stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1. a male neck feature plus my favorite dessert with a scoop of ice cream on top

Adam's apple pie

> 2. macedonian conqueror meets the largest island in europe

Alexander the Great Britain

> 3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale

America's Next Top Model train

> 4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as farthingale

basketball gown

> 5. a singularity swallows an ace in golf

black hole in one

> 6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression of great happiness

bungee jumping for joy

> 7. a common phone feature melded with a 1995 movie

call Waiting for Guffman

> 8. u.s. agency charged with protecting america's natural resources and a type of feng sui consultant

Department of the Interior designer

> 9. a foreigner studying abroad and an inexperienced automobile operator

exchange student driver

> 12. 1964 anthony quinn movie with pieces of tomatoes, sliced cucumbers, onion, feta cheese, and olives, seasoned with salt and oregano, and dressed with olive oil

Zorba the Greek salad

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Mark Brader

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Mar 11, 2015, 11:54:00 PM3/11/15
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Stephen Perry:
> 1. a male neck feature plus my favorite dessert with a scoop of ice
> cream on top

Adam's Apple Pie à la Mode.

> 2. macedonian conqueror meets the largest island in europe

Alexander the Great Britain.

> 3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale

America's Next Top Model Railroad.

> 4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as farthingale

Basketballroom? (No, I didn't think so.)

> 5. a singularity swallows an ace in golf

Black Hole in One.

> 6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression
> of great happiness

Bungee Jumping for Joy.

> 7. a common phone feature melded with a 1995 movie

Call Waiting for Guffman.

> 8. u.s. agency charged with protecting america's natural resources and
> a type of feng sui consultant

Department of the Interior Designer.

> 9. a foreigner studying abroad and an inexperienced automobile operator

Exchange Student Driver.

> 10. alternate title for 'The Village of Stepanchikovo' (by Fyodor
> Dostoyevsky, 1859) with a genealogy staple

Karamazov Family Tree?

> 11. sign in shop window with a steve mcqueen tv series from 1958-1961

Help Wanted Man?

> 12. 1964 anthony quinn movie with pieces of tomatoes, sliced cucumbers,
> onion, feta cheese, and olives, seasoned with salt and oregano, and
> dressed with olive oil

Zorba the Greek Salad.

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Marc Dashevsky

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Mar 12, 2015, 1:47:05 AM3/12/15
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In article <78313843-9115-4355...@googlegroups.com>, Stephen...@gmail.com says...
>
> the usual rules of conduct and posting apply. the winner of RQ 173 will be the first choice to set RQ 174, in whatever manner they prefer. answer slates must be posted by noon philadelphia time (zone -4) on tuesday, 2015-03-17; that gives you over 6 days from the time of posting.
>
> each question is worth 2 points, 1 point for each half of the answer. the answers are alphabetical, but not intentionally.
>
> 1. a male neck feature plus my favorite dessert with a scoop of ice cream on top
Adam's apple pie a la mode

> 2. macedonian conqueror meets the largest island in europe
Alexander the Great Britain

> 3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale
> 4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as farthingale
> 5. a singularity swallows an ace in golf
black hole in one

> 6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression of great happiness
bungee jump with joy

> 7. a common phone feature melded with a 1995 movie
> 8. u.s. agency charged with protecting america's natural resources and a type of feng sui consultant
> 9. a foreigner studying abroad and an inexperienced automobile operator
exchange student driver

> 10. alternate title for 'The Village of Stepanchikovo' (by Fyodor Dostoyevsky, 1859) with a genealogy staple
xxxxxx family tree

> 11. sign in shop window with a steve mcqueen tv series from 1958-1961
> 12. 1964 anthony quinn movie with pieces of tomatoes, sliced cucumbers, onion, feta cheese, and olives, seasoned with salt and oregano, and dressed with olive oil
Zorba the Greek salad

> good luck!
good quiz!



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Chris F.A. Johnson

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Mar 12, 2015, 3:08:03 AM3/12/15
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On 2015-03-12, swp wrote:
> the usual rules of conduct and posting apply. the winner of RQ 173 will be the first choice to set RQ 174, in whatever manner they prefer. answer slates must be posted by noon philadelphia time (zone -4) on tuesday, 2015-03-17; that gives you over 6 days from the time of posting.
>
> each question is worth 2 points, 1 point for each half of the answer. the answers are alphabetical, but not intentionally.
>
> 1. a male neck feature plus my favorite dessert with a scoop of ice cream on top

Adam's apple pie a la mode

> 2. macedonian conqueror meets the largest island in europe

Alexander the Great Britain

> 3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale

America's Next Top Model railway

> 4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as farthingale

basketball hoop skirt

> 5. a singularity swallows an ace in golf

black hole in one

> 6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression of great happiness

bungee jumping with joy

> 7. a common phone feature melded with a 1995 movie
> 8. u.s. agency charged with protecting america's natural resources and a type of feng sui consultant

Environmental Protection Agency of Woo

> 9. a foreigner studying abroad and an inexperienced automobile operator

Exchange student driver

> 10. alternate title for 'The Village of Stepanchikovo' (by Fyodor Dostoyevsky, 1859) with a genealogy staple

The Friend of the Family tree

> 11. sign in shop window with a steve mcqueen tv series from 1958-1961

Help Wanted: Dead or Alive

> 12. 1964 anthony quinn movie with pieces of tomatoes, sliced cucumbers, onion, feta cheese, and olives, seasoned with salt and oregano, and dressed with olive oil

Zorba the Greek salad

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Chris F.A. Johnson

Erland Sommarskog

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Mar 12, 2015, 5:54:21 PM3/12/15
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swp (Stephen...@gmail.com) writes:
> 1. a male neck feature plus my favorite dessert with a scoop of ice
> cream on top

Adam's apple pie

> 2. macedonian conqueror meets the largest island in europe

Alexander the Great Britain

> 4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as
> farthingale

Basket ball flower

> 5. a singularity swallows an ace in golf

Black hole in one

> 6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression
> of great happiness

Bungee jump for joy




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Dan Tilque

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Mar 13, 2015, 3:50:57 AM3/13/15
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swp wrote:
> the usual rules of conduct and posting apply. the winner of RQ 173 will be the first choice to set RQ 174, in whatever manner they prefer. answer slates must be posted by noon philadelphia time (zone -4) on tuesday, 2015-03-17; that gives you over 6 days from the time of posting.
>
> each question is worth 2 points, 1 point for each half of the answer. the answers are alphabetical, but not intentionally.
>
> 1. a male neck feature plus my favorite dessert with a scoop of ice cream on top

Adam's apple pie a la mode

> 2. macedonian conqueror meets the largest island in europe

Alexander the Great Britain

> 3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale
> 4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as farthingale

basketball room gown

> 5. a singularity swallows an ace in golf

black hole in one

> 6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression of great happiness

bungi jumping for joy

> 7. a common phone feature melded with a 1995 movie
> 8. u.s. agency charged with protecting america's natural resources and a type of feng sui consultant
> 9. a foreigner studying abroad and an inexperienced automobile operator

exchange student driver

> 10. alternate title for 'The Village of Stepanchikovo' (by Fyodor Dostoyevsky, 1859) with a genealogy staple
> 11. sign in shop window with a steve mcqueen tv series from 1958-1961

help wanted: dead or alive

> 12. 1964 anthony quinn movie with pieces of tomatoes, sliced cucumbers, onion, feta cheese, and olives, seasoned with salt and oregano, and dressed with olive oil



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Pete

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Mar 14, 2015, 2:29:48 PM3/14/15
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swp <Stephen...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:78313843-9115-4355...@googlegroups.com:

> the usual rules of conduct and posting apply. the winner of RQ 173
> will be the first choice to set RQ 174, in whatever manner they
> prefer. answer slates must be posted by noon philadelphia time (zone
> -4) on tuesday, 2015-03-17; that gives you over 6 days from the time
> of posting.
>
> each question is worth 2 points, 1 point for each half of the answer.
> the answers are alphabetical, but not intentionally.
>
> 1. a male neck feature plus my favorite dessert with a scoop of ice
> cream on top

Adam's apple pie ala mode

> 2. macedonian conqueror meets the largest island in europe
> 3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale

America's next model railroad

> 4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as
> farthingale
> 5. a singularity swallows an ace in golf

Black hole in one

> 6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an
> expression of great happiness

Bungee jumping for joy

> 7. a common phone feature melded with a 1995 movie
> 8. u.s. agency charged with protecting america's natural
> resources and a type of feng sui consultant
> 9. a foreigner studying
> abroad and an inexperienced automobile operator
> 10. alternate title for 'The Village of Stepanchikovo' (by Fyodor
> Dostoyevsky, 1859) with a genealogy staple
> 11. sign in shop window with a steve mcqueen tv series from 1958-1961
> 12. 1964 anthony quinn movie with pieces of tomatoes, sliced
> cucumbers, onion, feta cheese,
> and olives, seasoned with salt and oregano, and dressed with olive oil

Zorba the Greek salad

>
> good luck!
>
> swp
>

Pete

Calvin

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Mar 15, 2015, 5:43:43 AM3/15/15
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On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:36:08 PM UTC+10, swp wrote:
> the usual rules of conduct and posting apply. the winner of RQ 173 will be the first choice to set RQ 174, in whatever manner they prefer. answer slates must be posted by noon philadelphia time (zone -4) on tuesday, 2015-03-17; that gives you over 6 days from the time of posting.
>
> each question is worth 2 points, 1 point for each half of the answer. the answers are alphabetical, but not intentionally.
>
> 1. a male neck feature plus my favorite dessert with a scoop of ice cream on top

Adam's apple pie

> 2. macedonian conqueror meets the largest island in europe

Alexander the Great Britain

> 3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale

America's Next Top Model

> 4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as farthingale

> 5. a singularity swallows an ace in golf

Black Hole in one

> 6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression of great happiness

Bungee jump

> 7. a common phone feature melded with a 1995 movie

> 8. u.s. agency charged with protecting america's natural resources and a type of feng sui consultant

Department of the Environment

> 9. a foreigner studying abroad and an inexperienced automobile operator

International student driver

> 10. alternate title for 'The Village of Stepanchikovo' (by Fyodor Dostoyevsky, 1859) with a genealogy staple

> 11. sign in shop window with a steve mcqueen tv series from 1958-1961

> 12. 1964 anthony quinn movie with pieces of tomatoes, sliced cucumbers, onion, feta cheese, and olives, seasoned with salt and oregano, and dressed with olive oil

Zorba the Greek salad

cheers,
calvin

swp

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Mar 17, 2015, 10:23:46 PM3/17/15
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first up, The expected answers:

1. a male neck feature plus my favorite dessert with a scoop of ice cream on top

Adam's Apple Pie A La Mode [a lot of people got halfs for forgetting the ice cream]

2. macedonian conqueror meets the largest island in europe

Alexander The Great Britain [I thought about using catherine the great]

3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale

America's Next Top Model Train Set [the word "kit" confused many of you, so I am accepting answers without "set" in them]

4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as farthingale

basketball hoop skirt [ok, I took this one straight from wheel of fortune]

5. a singularity swallows an ace in golf

black hole-in-one [I will leave this to your imagination]

6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression of great happiness

Bungee Jumping For Joy [another wheel of fortune puzzle. they might all be, I never looked]

7. a common phone feature melded with a 1995 movie

Call Waiting To Exhale [not accepting 'call waiting for guffman' because that movie came out in 1996]

8. u.s. agency charged with protecting america's natural resources and a type of feng sui consultant

Department Of The Interior Decorator [I didn't like this question and still cannot think of a better way to phrase it. sometimes, phrases just get stuck in your head and won't leave.]

9. a foreigner studying abroad and an inexperienced automobile operator

Exchange Student Driver [I like this one]

10. alternate title for 'The Village of Stepanchikovo' (by Fyodor Dostoyevsky, 1859) with a genealogy staple

The Friend Of The Family Tree [I like this one too]

11. sign in shop window with a steve mcqueen tv series from 1958-1961

Help Wanted Dead Or Alive [my 2nd favorite]

12. 1964 anthony quinn movie with pieces of tomatoes, sliced cucumbers, onion, feta cheese, and olives, seasoned with salt and oregano, and dressed with olive oil

Zorba The Greek Salad [my favorite.]

the results, assuming I made no errors:

name 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 total
---------- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -----
Mark B 2 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 1 2 20
Chris J 2 2 1.5 2 2 2 0 0 2 2 2 2 19.5
Dan B 1.5 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 0 0 2 17.5
Marc D 2 2 0 0 2 2 0 0 2 1 0 2 13
Dan T 2 2 0 1 2 2 0 0 2 0 2 0 13
Calvin 1.5 2 1.5 0 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 11
Pete 2 0 1.5 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 9.5
Erland 1.5 2 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 7.5
---------- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -----
totals 13.5 14 8.5 5 16 15 2 4 11 4 5 12 111

the winner, by the slimmest of margins, is Mark Brader!

your punishment ... er, reward, that is ... is to host RQ #174 in
a manner of your own choosing. (unless I made a mistake, which is
entirely possible.) congratulations Mark!

thank you, each, for playing.

swp

Mark Brader

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Mar 18, 2015, 3:29:08 AM3/18/15
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Stephen Perry (rearranged for convenience of responding):

> name 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 total
> ---------- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -----
> Mark B 2 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 1 2 20
> Chris J 2 2 1.5 2 2 2 0 0 2 2 2 2 19.5
...
> the winner, by the slimmest of margins, is Mark Brader!
>
> your punishment ... er, reward, that is ... is to host RQ #174 in
> a manner of your own choosing. (unless I made a mistake, which is
> entirely possible.) congratulations Mark!

I think there's more than one mistake, and request a rejudging to
reaffirm this dominating victory.


> 3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale
>
> America's Next Top Model Train Set [the word "kit" confused many of you,
> so I am accepting answers without "set" in them]

Mark: America's Next Top Model Railroad.
Chris: America's Next Top Model railway.

I think these are obviously equivalent (and also obviously correct
without any need for condescension about the intent of the word "kit";
a "train set" is a model railway).


> 4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as farthingale
>
> basketball hoop skirt [ok, I took this one straight from wheel of fortune]

Mark: Basketballroom? (No, I didn't think so.)
Chris: basketball hoop skirt

I was surprised to be credited with the "before" when I didn't give
the overlap word. But then I realized that this one is defective:
there *is no* overlap word. The clue leads to BASKETBALL + HOOP SKIRT,
which is not a before-and-after. (To fix it, the "before" definition
should have been something like "equipment for March madness game".)
Perhaps the error contributed to my not guessing it; but Chris guessed
it even so. 2 for him, but I don't know about the 1 for me.


> 6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression
> of great happiness
>
> Bungee Jumping For Joy [another wheel of fortune puzzle. they might all
> be, I never looked]

Mark: Bungee Jumping for Joy.
Chris: bungee jumping with joy

Is "jumping with joy" a real expression?

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swp

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Mar 18, 2015, 9:59:34 AM3/18/15
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On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 3:29:08 AM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
> Stephen Perry (rearranged for convenience of responding):
>
> > name 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 total
> > ---------- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -----
> > Mark B 2 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 1 2 20
> > Chris J 2 2 1.5 2 2 2 0 0 2 2 2 2 19.5
> ...
> > the winner, by the slimmest of margins, is Mark Brader!
> >
> > your punishment ... er, reward, that is ... is to host RQ #174 in
> > a manner of your own choosing. (unless I made a mistake, which is
> > entirely possible.) congratulations Mark!
>
> I think there's more than one mistake, and request a rejudging to
> reaffirm this dominating victory.

I shouldn't do these late at night any more. Thank You for taking the time to check. "dominating" is being taken out of context on my part right now so I will refrain from further comment on it.

>
> > 3. tyra banks' reality tv series with a hobby kit in HO scale
> >
> > America's Next Top Model Train Set [the word "kit" confused many of you,
> > so I am accepting answers without "set" in them]
>
> Mark: America's Next Top Model Railroad.
> Chris: America's Next Top Model railway.
>
> I think these are obviously equivalent (and also obviously correct
> without any need for condescension about the intent of the word "kit";
> a "train set" is a model railway).

I had originally awarded a 1/2 point to Chris for saying "railway" instead of "railroad" on this answer. but when the resident train expert Mark says they are the same, and has something to lose by doing so, I have to take that as authoritative. 2 for Chris, which brings the score up to a tie at 20-20 with the tie breaker going to Mark for entering first. but wait! there's more...

> > 4. march madness game with a popular dress style once known as farthingale
> >
> > basketball hoop skirt [ok, I took this one straight from wheel of fortune]
>
> Mark: Basketballroom? (No, I didn't think so.)
> Chris: basketball hoop skirt
>
> I was surprised to be credited with the "before" when I didn't give
> the overlap word. But then I realized that this one is defective:
> there *is no* overlap word. The clue leads to BASKETBALL + HOOP SKIRT,
> which is not a before-and-after. (To fix it, the "before" definition
> should have been something like "equipment for March madness game".)
> Perhaps the error contributed to my not guessing it; but Chris guessed
> it even so. 2 for him, but I don't know about the 1 for me.

I stand by my ruling on this one. you are correct in that the wording was flawed, as it was for a couple of others. but based on the wording given I feel compelled to keep everyone's point who mentioned basketball. the score stands at 20-20, with 1 more item to consider.

> > 6. leaping from a bridge tied to a giant rubber band with an expression
> > of great happiness
> >
> > Bungee Jumping For Joy [another wheel of fortune puzzle. they might all
> > be, I never looked]
>
> Mark: Bungee Jumping for Joy.
> Chris: bungee jumping with joy
>
> Is "jumping with joy" a real expression?

I did a google search on the phrase before scoring and saw 173k hits so decided it was good enough even though I have never used it myself.

the modified scores if there are no further errors or protests:

name 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 total
---------- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -----
Mark B 2 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 1 2 20
Chris J 2 2 2 2 2 2 0 0 2 2 2 2 20
Dan B 1.5 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 0 0 2 17.5
Marc D 2 2 0 0 2 2 0 0 2 1 0 2 13
Dan T 2 2 0 1 2 2 0 0 2 0 2 0 13
Calvin 1.5 2 1.5 0 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 11
Pete 2 0 1.5 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 9.5
Erland 1.5 2 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 7.5
---------- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -----
totals 13.5 14 9 5 16 15 2 4 11 4 5 12 111

and I think it is fair to say that the hardest questions were 7, 8, 10, 11, & 4 based on total score and # of people who got points on each. Mark and Chris scored a total of 6 on each, but Mark got points for the hardest ones. Mark also entered first, but I don't think we need that particular tie-breaker in this case.

So the original ruling of Mark Brader as the winner stands. Congratulations Mark!!


swp

Mark Brader

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Mar 18, 2015, 11:15:02 AM3/18/15
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Stephen Perry:
> So the original ruling of Mark Brader as the winner stands.

DOMINATION!

Thanks for checking.


I'd thought Chris was winning this one, partly because I wasn't expecting
"basketball" to be worth a point, so I don't have a new contest ready.
I'll post one when I do.
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Toronto type English very slowly and loudly."
m...@vex.net --Lars Eighner

Erland Sommarskog

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Mar 18, 2015, 4:39:26 PM3/18/15
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swp (Stephen...@gmail.com) writes:
> I stand by my ruling on this one. you are correct in that the wording
> was flawed, as it was for a couple of others. but based on the wording
> given I feel compelled to keep everyone's point who mentioned
> basketball.

Hrmpf!

I said basketball, well "basket ball", and got no point. Not that it
matters, I would not even move from my miserable last place. (And I
don't feel ashamed for saying "basket ball". Whether an English
compound is written with space, hyphen or no separator at all, it
notoriously difficult to know, and in this particular context only
the space made sense.)

Mark Brader

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Mar 18, 2015, 6:23:35 PM3/18/15
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Stephen Perry:
> I had originally awarded a 1/2 point to Chris for saying "railway"
> instead of "railroad" on this answer. but when the resident train
> expert Mark says they are the same...

They're not only the same, they're exact synonyms -- a very rare thing
in English. The only difference is in regional usage: in North America
"railroad" is the more common word of the two, while in Britain it's
fallen completely out of use.

What difference did you think there was?
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Toronto That's more than I can say about most
m...@vex.net people I know." -- Frimbo
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