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Mark Brader
Oct 10, 2017, 4:46:47 AM10/10/17
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Welcome to Rotating Quiz #271. My thanks to Dan Blum for writing
the last quiz and choosing a question set that allowed me to win.
Back in 2013, I had an idea for RQ 120 that I thought was
interesting, but it proved hard enough that it only drew a low
turnout. I'm reusing the same idea this time, but I've tweaked
some details to make it easier, in the hope that more people will
enter this time.
I'm going to allow 8 days (from the moment of posting) for entries
on this one, and I intend to post a reminder later on. This means
you have until about 4¾ hours after midnight (by Toronto time,
zone -4) next Tuesday night, the night of October 17, 2017.
RQ 271, then, is about these people:
1. Ethan Allen, militia leader
2. Pamela Anderson, actress
3. John Jacob Astor I, businessman
4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
5. Mark Brader, computer programmer
6. Rachel Carson, scientist
7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
8. Stephen Crane, author
9. Pierre Curie, scientist
10. John Kerry, politician
11. Pierre Laval, politician
12. Kawhi Leonard, basketball player
13. Elisha Otis, inventor
14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author
15. Auguste Renoir, artist
16. Babe Ruth, baseball player
17. Sacagawea, expedition member
18. Camille Saint-Saëns, composer
19. William Shatner, actor
20. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author
21. John M.W. Turner, artist
22. William "Boss" Tweed, politician
23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil
24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress
25. James Wolfe, general
As you see, I've just listed them in alphabetical order, for a suitable
definition thereof. But as you have no doubt noticed, they were born
at 12-year intervals, from 1727 on. Or more precisely, their *years
of birth* were at 12-year intervals -- 1727, 1739, 1751, and so on.
Your task, of course, is simply to give the year of birth for each
person -- or, equivalently, to put them in order by date of birth.
I will accept answers in either of two formats, corresponding to
those two formulations of the question.
First, you may answer this the same way you would a QFTCI or similar
contest: quote the names, or some of them, in the order given here,
and put one of the possible years on the line below any or all
of them. (I assume everyone is capable of generating the list of
possible years without my help!)
This format allows you to answer for only some of the people if
that's what you want to do.
Note that [1] you are only allowed one answer per name, and
[2] you are *not allowed to repeat* any years. If you do, only
the first time you give a year will count.
For example, if you thought Pushkin was not only first in another
kind of alphabetical sort but was also the first of the group to
be born, Bell was the second, and Pushkin third, then your answer
posting might include these lines:
> 4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
1739
> 14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author
1727
> 15. Auguste Renoir, artist
1751
Your other choice is to take the *complete* list and *rearrange it*
into chronological order, *earliest to latest born*. Then post it
that way (retaining the "question numbers" along with the names).
Using the above example, your answer posting would contain 25 lines,
starting with these three:
14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author
4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
15. Auguste Renoir, artist
You may insert dates in the list as well, for your own reference,
if you find it easier to work that way. But if you post an answer
in this format, *any dates you write will be ignored*; only the
sequence of the names will actually count.
Before posting in this format, make sure your list still contains
25 different names; if you repeat any names, I'll take the first
instance of each, and if you omit any names, they are automatically
wrong and no names will be associated with the most recent dates.
The scoring is 25 points for each correct answer, 5 points for
each answer where you are off by 12 years, and 1 point for each
answer where you are off by 24 years. So a perfect score is 625.
In case of a tie, the tiebreaker will be who scored the most on
the hardest questions; and if necessary, who posted first.
As usual, you must answer based only on your own knowledge.
The winner will be the first choice to host RQ 272. Have fun!
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "My ambition is to see a saying of mine attributed
m...@vex.net | to Dorothy Parker or Mark Twain." -- Joe Fineman
My text in this article is in the public domain.
the last quiz and choosing a question set that allowed me to win.
Back in 2013, I had an idea for RQ 120 that I thought was
interesting, but it proved hard enough that it only drew a low
turnout. I'm reusing the same idea this time, but I've tweaked
some details to make it easier, in the hope that more people will
enter this time.
I'm going to allow 8 days (from the moment of posting) for entries
on this one, and I intend to post a reminder later on. This means
you have until about 4¾ hours after midnight (by Toronto time,
zone -4) next Tuesday night, the night of October 17, 2017.
RQ 271, then, is about these people:
1. Ethan Allen, militia leader
2. Pamela Anderson, actress
3. John Jacob Astor I, businessman
4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
5. Mark Brader, computer programmer
6. Rachel Carson, scientist
7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
8. Stephen Crane, author
9. Pierre Curie, scientist
10. John Kerry, politician
11. Pierre Laval, politician
12. Kawhi Leonard, basketball player
13. Elisha Otis, inventor
14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author
15. Auguste Renoir, artist
16. Babe Ruth, baseball player
17. Sacagawea, expedition member
18. Camille Saint-Saëns, composer
19. William Shatner, actor
20. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author
21. John M.W. Turner, artist
22. William "Boss" Tweed, politician
23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil
24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress
25. James Wolfe, general
As you see, I've just listed them in alphabetical order, for a suitable
definition thereof. But as you have no doubt noticed, they were born
at 12-year intervals, from 1727 on. Or more precisely, their *years
of birth* were at 12-year intervals -- 1727, 1739, 1751, and so on.
Your task, of course, is simply to give the year of birth for each
person -- or, equivalently, to put them in order by date of birth.
I will accept answers in either of two formats, corresponding to
those two formulations of the question.
First, you may answer this the same way you would a QFTCI or similar
contest: quote the names, or some of them, in the order given here,
and put one of the possible years on the line below any or all
of them. (I assume everyone is capable of generating the list of
possible years without my help!)
This format allows you to answer for only some of the people if
that's what you want to do.
Note that [1] you are only allowed one answer per name, and
[2] you are *not allowed to repeat* any years. If you do, only
the first time you give a year will count.
For example, if you thought Pushkin was not only first in another
kind of alphabetical sort but was also the first of the group to
be born, Bell was the second, and Pushkin third, then your answer
posting might include these lines:
> 4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
1739
> 14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author
1727
> 15. Auguste Renoir, artist
1751
Your other choice is to take the *complete* list and *rearrange it*
into chronological order, *earliest to latest born*. Then post it
that way (retaining the "question numbers" along with the names).
Using the above example, your answer posting would contain 25 lines,
starting with these three:
14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author
4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
15. Auguste Renoir, artist
You may insert dates in the list as well, for your own reference,
if you find it easier to work that way. But if you post an answer
in this format, *any dates you write will be ignored*; only the
sequence of the names will actually count.
Before posting in this format, make sure your list still contains
25 different names; if you repeat any names, I'll take the first
instance of each, and if you omit any names, they are automatically
wrong and no names will be associated with the most recent dates.
The scoring is 25 points for each correct answer, 5 points for
each answer where you are off by 12 years, and 1 point for each
answer where you are off by 24 years. So a perfect score is 625.
In case of a tie, the tiebreaker will be who scored the most on
the hardest questions; and if necessary, who posted first.
As usual, you must answer based only on your own knowledge.
The winner will be the first choice to host RQ 272. Have fun!
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "My ambition is to see a saying of mine attributed
m...@vex.net | to Dorothy Parker or Mark Twain." -- Joe Fineman
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Peter Smyth
Oct 10, 2017, 11:07:36 AM10/10/17
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1. Ethan Allen, militia leader (1727)
25. James Wolfe, general (1739)
17. Sacagawea, expedition member (1751)
21. John M.W. Turner, artist (1763)
11. Pierre Laval, politician (1775)
15. Auguste Renoir, artist (1787)
14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author (1799)
20. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author (1811)
3. John Jacob Astor I, businessman (1823)
13. Elisha Otis, inventor (1835)
4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor (1847)
18. Camille Saint-Saëns, composer (1859)
9. Pierre Curie, scientist (1871)
22. William "Boss" Tweed, politician (1883)
16. Babe Ruth, baseball player (1895)
8. Stephen Crane, author (1907)
6. Rachel Carson, scientist (1919)
19. William Shatner, actor (1931)
10. John Kerry, politician (1943)
2. Pamela Anderson, actress (1955)
5. Mark Brader, computer programmer (1967)
23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil (1979)
12. Kawhi Leonard, basketball player (1991)
24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress (2003)
7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess (2015)
Peter Smyth
25. James Wolfe, general (1739)
17. Sacagawea, expedition member (1751)
21. John M.W. Turner, artist (1763)
11. Pierre Laval, politician (1775)
15. Auguste Renoir, artist (1787)
14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author (1799)
20. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author (1811)
3. John Jacob Astor I, businessman (1823)
13. Elisha Otis, inventor (1835)
4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor (1847)
18. Camille Saint-Saëns, composer (1859)
9. Pierre Curie, scientist (1871)
22. William "Boss" Tweed, politician (1883)
16. Babe Ruth, baseball player (1895)
8. Stephen Crane, author (1907)
6. Rachel Carson, scientist (1919)
19. William Shatner, actor (1931)
10. John Kerry, politician (1943)
2. Pamela Anderson, actress (1955)
5. Mark Brader, computer programmer (1967)
23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil (1979)
12. Kawhi Leonard, basketball player (1991)
24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress (2003)
7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess (2015)
Peter Smyth
Dan Blum
Oct 10, 2017, 12:18:15 PM10/10/17
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Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
> 25. James Wolfe, general
> 11. Pierre Laval, politician
> 13. Elisha Otis, inventor
> 18. Camille Saint-Sa?ns, composer
> 15. Auguste Renoir, artist
> 9. Pierre Curie, scientist
> 19. William Shatner, actor
> 10. John Kerry, politician
> 23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil
_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum to...@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
> 25. James Wolfe, general
> 20. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author
> 1. Ethan Allen, militia leader
> 14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author
> 21. John M.W. Turner, artist
> 17. Sacagawea, expedition member
> 11. Pierre Laval, politician
> 3. John Jacob Astor I, businessman
> 4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
> 4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
> 22. William "Boss" Tweed, politician
> 8. Stephen Crane, author
> 13. Elisha Otis, inventor
> 18. Camille Saint-Sa?ns, composer
> 15. Auguste Renoir, artist
> 9. Pierre Curie, scientist
> 16. Babe Ruth, baseball player
> 6. Rachel Carson, scientist
> 19. William Shatner, actor
> 10. John Kerry, politician
> 5. Mark Brader, computer programmer
> 2. Pamela Anderson, actress
> 23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil
> 12. Kawhi Leonard, basketball player
> 24. Quvenzhan? Wallis, actress
> 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
--
_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum to...@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
Erland Sommarskog
Oct 10, 2017, 3:03:57 PM10/10/17
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Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
> Back in 2013, I had an idea for RQ 120 that I thought was
> interesting, but it proved hard enough that it only drew a low
> turnout. I'm reusing the same idea this time, but I've tweaked
> some details to make it easier, in the hope that more people will
> enter this time.
>
If memory serves, I actually put quite some effort into that quiz,
> Back in 2013, I had an idea for RQ 120 that I thought was
> interesting, but it proved hard enough that it only drew a low
> turnout. I'm reusing the same idea this time, but I've tweaked
> some details to make it easier, in the hope that more people will
> enter this time.
>
as I was on a flight with lot of time. Not so this time. This is
the result with moving around names in Excel to place the persons
I know of in reasonable years.
15. Auguste Renoir, artist
17. Sacagawea, expedition member
3. John Jacob Astor I, businessman
22. William "Boss" Tweed, politician
25. James Wolfe, general
8. Stephen Crane, author
1. Ethan Allen, militia leader
21. John M.W. Turner, artist
4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author
13. Elisha Otis, inventor
18. Camille Saint-Saëns, composer
9. Pierre Curie, scientist
20. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author
16. Babe Ruth, baseball player
11. Pierre Laval, politician
6. Rachel Carson, scientist
24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress
10. John Kerry, politician
5. Mark Brader, computer programmer
2. Pamela Anderson, actress
12. Kawhi Leonard, basketball player
23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil
19. William Shatner, actor
7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esq...@sommarskog.se
Dan Blum
Oct 10, 2017, 3:14:40 PM10/10/17
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Erland Sommarskog <esq...@sommarskog.se> wrote:
> If memory serves, I actually put quite some effort into that quiz,
> as I was on a flight with lot of time. Not so this time. This is
> the result with moving around names in Excel to place the persons
> I know of in reasonable years.
> If memory serves, I actually put quite some effort into that quiz,
> as I was on a flight with lot of time. Not so this time. This is
> the result with moving around names in Excel to place the persons
> I know of in reasonable years.
> 19. William Shatner, actor
> 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
This implies you haven't heard of William Shatner.
> 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
Mark Brader
Oct 10, 2017, 4:13:38 PM10/10/17
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Erland Sommarskog:
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "The Dopeler effect: dumb ideas sound smarter
m...@vex.net | when they come at you in a hurry."
> > 19. William Shatner, actor
> > 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
Dan Blum:
> > 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
> This implies you haven't heard of William Shatner.
Just imagine, it's as if he lived in a foreign country or something.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "The Dopeler effect: dumb ideas sound smarter
m...@vex.net | when they come at you in a hurry."
Erland Sommarskog
Oct 10, 2017, 5:08:28 PM10/10/17
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Dan Blum (to...@panix.com) writes:
> Erland Sommarskog <esq...@sommarskog.se> wrote:
>
>> If memory serves, I actually put quite some effort into that quiz,
>> as I was on a flight with lot of time. Not so this time. This is
>> the result with moving around names in Excel to place the persons
>> I know of in reasonable years.
>
>> 19. William Shatner, actor
>> 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
>
> This implies you haven't heard of William Shatner.
>
Your observation is entirely correct. There are quite a few people
> Erland Sommarskog <esq...@sommarskog.se> wrote:
>
>> If memory serves, I actually put quite some effort into that quiz,
>> as I was on a flight with lot of time. Not so this time. This is
>> the result with moving around names in Excel to place the persons
>> I know of in reasonable years.
>
>> 19. William Shatner, actor
>> 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
>
> This implies you haven't heard of William Shatner.
>
on the list, I have never heard of. Given the occupations given,
it seems most likely that the person on this slot would be an
actor(ess). I mean, James Wolfe seemed less likely to me, as you
generally are named general at that low age.
Dan Blum
Oct 10, 2017, 8:58:30 PM10/10/17
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Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
> Erland Sommarskog:
> > > 19. William Shatner, actor
> > > 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
>
> Dan Blum:
> > This implies you haven't heard of William Shatner.
> Just imagine, it's as if he lived in a foreign country or something.
Star Trek is pretty popular.
> Erland Sommarskog:
> > > 19. William Shatner, actor
> > > 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
>
> Dan Blum:
> > This implies you haven't heard of William Shatner.
> Just imagine, it's as if he lived in a foreign country or something.
Calvin
Oct 10, 2017, 9:54:03 PM10/10/17
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On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 6:46:47 PM UTC+10, Mark Brader wrote:
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz #271. My thanks to Dan Blum for writing
> the last quiz and choosing a question set that allowed me to win.
>
> Back in 2013, I had an idea for RQ 120 that I thought was
> interesting, but it proved hard enough that it only drew a low
> turnout. I'm reusing the same idea this time, but I've tweaked
> some details to make it easier, in the hope that more people will
> enter this time.
Nice idea. It's good to see something original.
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz #271. My thanks to Dan Blum for writing
> the last quiz and choosing a question set that allowed me to win.
>
> Back in 2013, I had an idea for RQ 120 that I thought was
> interesting, but it proved hard enough that it only drew a low
> turnout. I'm reusing the same idea this time, but I've tweaked
> some details to make it easier, in the hope that more people will
> enter this time.
1. James Wolfe, general
2. Sacagawea, expedition member
3. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author
4. Ethan Allen, militia leader
5. Nik Wallenda, daredevil
6. William "Boss" Tweed, politician
7. John Jacob Astor I, businessman
8. Camille Saint-Saëns, composer
9. Pierre Laval, politician
10 John M.W. Turner, artist
11 Auguste Renoir, artist
12 Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
13 Pierre Curie, scientist
14 Elisha Otis, inventor
15 Babe Ruth, baseball player
16 Aleksandr Pushkin, author
17 Rachel Carson, scientist
18 William Shatner, actor
19 John Kerry, politician
20 Mark Brader, computer programmer
21 Pamela Anderson, actress
22 Stephen Crane, author
23 Kawhi Leonard, basketball player
24 Quvenzhané Wallis, actress
25 Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
cheers,
calvin
Mark Brader
Oct 10, 2017, 11:56:32 PM10/10/17
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Mark Brader:
"Calvin":
--
Mark Brader "Men are animals."
Toronto "What are women? Plants, birds, fish?"
m...@vex.net -- Spider Robinson, "Night of Power"
>> Back in 2013, I had an idea for RQ 120 that I thought was
>> interesting, but...
"Calvin":
> Nice idea. It's good to see something original.
Thanks, but it wasn't. It was used in 2013.
--
Mark Brader "Men are animals."
Toronto "What are women? Plants, birds, fish?"
m...@vex.net -- Spider Robinson, "Night of Power"
Erland Sommarskog
Oct 11, 2017, 3:11:03 AM10/11/17
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Never seen it. All I know about Star Trek that it includes some character
called Spock and who has a beard.
called Spock and who has a beard.
Mark Brader
Oct 11, 2017, 6:37:10 AM10/11/17
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Erland Sommarskog:
http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/2/27/Spock%2C_2267.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070802000211&path-prefix=en
Or in recent years:
http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/1/16/Spock_%28alternate_reality%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161025010443&path-prefix=en
--
Mark Brader | ...I'm comfortably ensconced with a warm newsgroup
Toronto | so I'm asking the assembled multitude here...
m...@vex.net | --Stephanie Mitchell
> Never seen it. All I know about Star Trek that it includes some character
> called Spock and who has a beard.
Well, no it isn't. Or not normally, anyway.
> called Spock and who has a beard.
http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/2/27/Spock%2C_2267.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070802000211&path-prefix=en
Or in recent years:
http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/1/16/Spock_%28alternate_reality%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161025010443&path-prefix=en
--
Mark Brader | ...I'm comfortably ensconced with a warm newsgroup
Toronto | so I'm asking the assembled multitude here...
m...@vex.net | --Stephanie Mitchell
Erland Sommarskog
Oct 11, 2017, 6:51:18 AM10/11/17
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Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
> Erland Sommarskog:
>> Never seen it. All I know about Star Trek that it includes some character
>> called Spock and who has a beard.
>
> Well, no it isn't. Or not normally, anyway.
>
Maybe they have phased out that character. That was something I heard about
> Erland Sommarskog:
>> Never seen it. All I know about Star Trek that it includes some character
>> called Spock and who has a beard.
>
> Well, no it isn't. Or not normally, anyway.
>
in year 2000 as I was introduced to the group Spock's Beard. That was a
while, so I can understand that he is no longer in the show.
Mark Brader
Oct 11, 2017, 7:25:10 AM10/11/17
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Erland Sommarskog:
--
Mark Brader | In the face of such devastating logic as "despite
Toronto | what you say you mean, you must mean this and you
m...@vex.net | are wrong", I cede the territory. --Truly Donovan
> Maybe they have phased out that character. That was something I heard about
> in year 2000 as I was introduced to the group Spock's Beard. That was a
> while, so I can understand that he is no longer in the show.
The show ended in 1969.
> in year 2000 as I was introduced to the group Spock's Beard. That was a
> while, so I can understand that he is no longer in the show.
--
Mark Brader | In the face of such devastating logic as "despite
Toronto | what you say you mean, you must mean this and you
m...@vex.net | are wrong", I cede the territory. --Truly Donovan
Calvin
Oct 11, 2017, 9:37:18 PM10/11/17
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On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 9:25:10 PM UTC+10, Mark Brader wrote:
> Erland Sommarskog:
> > Maybe they have phased out that character. That was something I heard about
> > in year 2000 as I was introduced to the group Spock's Beard. That was a
> > while, so I can understand that he is no longer in the show.
>
> The show ended in 1969.
That meets my definition of "a while" :-)
> Erland Sommarskog:
> > Maybe they have phased out that character. That was something I heard about
> > in year 2000 as I was introduced to the group Spock's Beard. That was a
> > while, so I can understand that he is no longer in the show.
>
> The show ended in 1969.
cheers,
calvin
Peter Smyth
Oct 12, 2017, 4:21:07 AM10/12/17
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Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
> > Erland Sommarskog:
> >> Never seen it. All I know about Star Trek that it includes some
> character >> called Spock and who has a beard.
> >
> > Well, no it isn't. Or not normally, anyway.
> >
>
> Maybe they have phased out that character. That was something I heard
> about in year 2000 as I was introduced to the group Spock's Beard. That
> was a while, so I can understand that he is no longer in the show.
There was one episode where they travelled to a mirror universe, and the
> Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
> > Erland Sommarskog:
> >> Never seen it. All I know about Star Trek that it includes some
> character >> called Spock and who has a beard.
> >
> > Well, no it isn't. Or not normally, anyway.
> >
>
> Maybe they have phased out that character. That was something I heard
> about in year 2000 as I was introduced to the group Spock's Beard. That
> was a while, so I can understand that he is no longer in the show.
alternate version of Spock had a beard. This is where the band name came
from.
http://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/wire/legacy/star_trek_mirror_mirror.jpg
Peter Smyth
Dan Tilque
Oct 13, 2017, 6:37:47 AM10/13/17
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1727 25. James Wolfe, general
1739 1. Ethan Allen, militia leader
1751 20. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author
1763 3. John Jacob Astor I, businessman
1775 21. John M.W. Turner, artist
1787 15. Auguste Renoir, artist
1799 17. Sacagawea, expedition member
1811 18. Camille Saint-Saëns, composer
1823 13. Elisha Otis, inventor
1835 4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
1847 22. William "Boss" Tweed, politician
1859 24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress
1871 14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author
1883 9. Pierre Curie, scientist
1895 16. Babe Ruth, baseball player
1907 11. Pierre Laval, politician
1919 8. Stephen Crane, author
1931 6. Rachel Carson, scientist
1943 19. William Shatner, actor
1955 5. Mark Brader, computer programmer
1967 10. John Kerry, politician
1979 2. Pamela Anderson, actress
1991 23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil
2003 12. Kawhi Leonard, basketball player
2015 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
--
Dan Tilque
1739 1. Ethan Allen, militia leader
1751 20. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author
1763 3. John Jacob Astor I, businessman
1775 21. John M.W. Turner, artist
1787 15. Auguste Renoir, artist
1799 17. Sacagawea, expedition member
1811 18. Camille Saint-Saëns, composer
1823 13. Elisha Otis, inventor
1835 4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor
1847 22. William "Boss" Tweed, politician
1859 24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress
1871 14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author
1883 9. Pierre Curie, scientist
1895 16. Babe Ruth, baseball player
1907 11. Pierre Laval, politician
1919 8. Stephen Crane, author
1931 6. Rachel Carson, scientist
1943 19. William Shatner, actor
1955 5. Mark Brader, computer programmer
1967 10. John Kerry, politician
1979 2. Pamela Anderson, actress
1991 23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil
2003 12. Kawhi Leonard, basketball player
2015 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess
--
Dan Tilque
Mark Brader
Oct 15, 2017, 4:56:42 AM10/15/17
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You have approximately 3 hours remaining to enter RQ 271.
They have dates of birth from 1727 onward at 12-year intervals.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Tools, not solutions. :-)"
m...@vex.net -- Henry Spencer
Your task, of course, is simply to give the year of birth for each
person -- or, equivalently, to put them in order by date of birth.
I will accept answers in either of two formats, corresponding to
those two formulations of the question.
First, you may answer this the same way you would a QFTCI or similar
contest: quote the names, or some of them, in the order given here,
and put one of the possible years on the line below any or all
of them. (I assume everyone is capable of generating the list of
possible years without my help!)
person -- or, equivalently, to put them in order by date of birth.
I will accept answers in either of two formats, corresponding to
those two formulations of the question.
First, you may answer this the same way you would a QFTCI or similar
contest: quote the names, or some of them, in the order given here,
and put one of the possible years on the line below any or all
of them. (I assume everyone is capable of generating the list of
possible years without my help!)
Your other choice is to take the *complete* list and *rearrange it*
into chronological order, *earliest to latest born*. Then post it
that way (retaining the "question numbers" along with the names).
For further details and examples see the original contest posting.
into chronological order, *earliest to latest born*. Then post it
that way (retaining the "question numbers" along with the names).
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Tools, not solutions. :-)"
m...@vex.net -- Henry Spencer
Mark Brader
Oct 18, 2017, 5:53:50 AM10/18/17
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Mark Brader:
one more than last time.
And the winner is -- DAN BLUM. Hearty congratulations, Dan!
> RQ 271, then, is about these people... as you have no doubt noticed,
I intended to recheck my list before posting the contest, but got
distracted while doing the check and proceeded to post without
completing it.
First, for two of the people shown, there is conflicting information
as to their exact year of birth; but at least these discrepancies
are only a matter of a a year or two, not enough to interfere with
the contest. (They are marked with "?" below.)
But, far worse, for one person -- Renoir -- I accidentally used
the date he *died* at age 78 (1919) instead of the year he was born
(1841). Which was *really* stupid of me, because I knew perfectly
well that he was active as a painter earlier than 1919.
> Your task, of course, is simply to give the year of birth for each
> person -- or, equivalently, to put them in order by date of birth.
Of the years I said were possible answers, the ones nearest 1841
are 1835 (Saint-Saëns) and 1847 (Bell). I'll treat either of those
answers as correct for Renoir, for 25. If you used the answer format
where you could give the dates explicitly rather than sequencing
the people, and dared to give the "impossible" answer of 1841,
or any date between 1835 and 1847, of course that's also the full 25.
And further, if you gave 1847 or any other date during Renoir's
lifetime for Renoir, then for any person born between Renoir's birth
and the date you gave, I'll treat both the actual answer and the
answer 12 years later as correct.
Conversely, if you gave 1835 for Renoir, then I'll extend the same
leeway for people born before him, treating the answer 12 years
earlier as correct. In this case the leeway period will extend back
for as many chronologically consecutive people as it allows you to
score for.
In all cases this leeway affects 5-point and 1-point answers, in
the obvious way, as well as 25-point answers.
(*) in the scores indicates entrants who benefited from these forms
of compensation. I had to do these corrections by hand, so please
let me know if I got them wrong.
Anyway, my apologies for the screw-up.
Below, for your putative interest, I'm showing not only everyone's
date of birth but also the date of death and the place of each.
It was, of course, while filling in these additional details (but
after having posted the contest) that I realized what had happened;
and I then worked out the corrected scoring scheme as set out above,
before looking at how it would affect anyone.
In fact, it turns out that everybody who entered attempted to use
the entry format where they provided a suitably permuted list of
names (and only one got it so badly wrong I had to write a separate
program to fix their entry), so there was nobody in a position to
dare to give the answer 1841.
> 1. Ethan Allen, militia leader.
1739?-89 (Connecticut, colony of Great Britain; Vermont).
25 for Dan Tilque. 5 for Peter and Dan Blum. 1 for Calvin.
> 2. Pamela Anderson, actress.
1967- (British Columbia, Canada). 25 for Dan Blum, Erland,
and Calvin. 5 for Peter and Dan Tilque.
> 3. John Jacob Astor I, businessman.
1763-1848 (Electoral Palatinate, HRE; New York, US). 25 for
Dan Tilque. 5 for Erland.
> 4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor.
1847-1922 (Scotland, UK; Nova Scotia, Canada). 25 for Peter.
5 for Calvin and Dan Tilque. 1 for Dan Blum and Erland.
> 5. Mark Brader, computer programmer.
1955- (England, UK). 25 for Dan Blum, Erland, Calvin, and Dan Tilque.
5 for Peter.
> 6. Rachel Carson, scientist.
1907-64 (Pennsylvania, US; Maryland, US). 25 for Dan Blum (*)
and Calvin (*). 5 for Peter and Erland. 1 for Dan Tilque.
> 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess.
2015- (England, UK). 25 for everyone -- Peter, Dan Blum, Erland,
Calvin, and Dan Tilque.
> 8. Stephen Crane, author.
1871-1900 (New Jersey, US; Baden, Germany). 1 for Dan Blum.
> 9. Pierre Curie, scientist.
1859-1906 (Seine, France; Seine, France). 25 for Calvin (*).
5 for Peter and Erland. 1 for Dan Tilque.
> 10. John Kerry, politician.
1943- (Colorado, US). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, Erland, and Calvin.
1 for Dan Tilque.
> 11. Pierre Laval, politician.
1883-1945 (Puy-de-Dôme, France; Seine, France). 1 for Erland
and Dan Tilque.
> 12. Kawhi Leonard, basketball player.
1991- (California, US). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, and Calvin.
5 for Erland and Dan Tilque.
> 13. Elisha Otis, inventor.
1811-61 (Vermont, US; New York, US). 5 for Dan Tilque. 1 for Peter.
> 14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author.
1799-1837 (Russia; Russia). 25 for Peter.
> 15. Auguste Renoir, artist.
1841-1919 (Haute-Vienne, France; Alpes-Maritimes, France).
> 16. Babe Ruth, baseball player.
1895-1948 (Maryland, US; New York, US). 25 for everyone, with a
(*) in Dan Blum's case.
That should have read George "Babe" Ruth, of course.
> 17. Sacagawea, expedition member.
1787?-1812 (Shoshone lands; Dakota territory, US). 25 for Dan Blum.
5 for Dan Tilque.
> 18. Camille Saint-Saëns, composer.
1835-1921 (Seine, France; Algeria, colony of France) 1 for Peter,
Erland, Calvin, and Dan Tilque.
> 19. William Shatner, actor.
1931- (Quebec, Canada). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, and Calvin.
5 for Dan Tilque.
> 20. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author.
1751-1816 (Leinster, Ireland; England, UK). 25 for Calvin
and Dan Tilque. 5 for Dan Blum.
> 21. John M.W. Turner, artist.
1775-1851 (England, GB; England, UK). 25 for Dan Blum and Dan Tilque.
5 for Peter.
> 22. William "Boss" Tweed, politician.
1823-78 (New York, US; New York, US). 5 for Dan Blum. 1 for
Dan Tilque.
> 23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil.
1979- (Florida, US). 25 for Peter and Dan Blum. 5 for Erland
and Dan Tilque.
> 24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress.
2003- (Louisiana, US). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, and Calvin.
> 25. James Wolfe, general.
1727-59 (England, UK; New France, colony of France). 25 for Dan Blum,
Calvin, and Dan Tilque. 5 for Peter.
Scores, if there are no errors:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ...
Dan Blum 5 25 0 1 25 25 25 1 0 25 0 25 0 0 0 ...
"Calvin" 1 25 0 5 25 25 25 0 25 25 0 25 0 0 0 ...
Peter Smyth 5 5 0 25 5 5 25 0 5 25 0 25 1 25 0 ...
Dan Tilque 25 5 25 5 25 1 25 0 1 1 1 5 5 0 0 ...
Erland Sommarskog 0 25 5 1 25 5 25 0 5 25 1 5 0 0 0 ...
... 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 TOTALS
Dan Blum ... 25 25 0 25 5 25 5 25 25 25 342
"Calvin" ... 25 0 1 25 25 0 0 0 25 25 307
Peter Smyth ... 25 0 1 25 0 5 0 25 25 5 262
Dan Tilque ... 25 5 1 5 25 25 1 5 0 25 241
Erland Sommarskog ... 25 0 1 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 153
So now it's back to Dan Blum, I hope, for RQ 272.
--
Mark Brader "...there are other means of persuasion
m...@vex.net besides killing and threatening to kill."
Toronto --Dashiell Hammett, The Maltese Falcon
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz #271. My thanks to Dan Blum for writing
> the last quiz and choosing a question set that allowed me to win.
>
> Back in 2013, I had an idea for RQ 120 that I thought was
> interesting, but it proved hard enough that it only drew a low
> turnout. I'm reusing the same idea this time, but I've tweaked
> some details to make it easier, in the hope that more people will
> enter this time.
There were 5 entrants, none of them Stephen Perry. At least that's
> the last quiz and choosing a question set that allowed me to win.
>
> Back in 2013, I had an idea for RQ 120 that I thought was
> interesting, but it proved hard enough that it only drew a low
> turnout. I'm reusing the same idea this time, but I've tweaked
> some details to make it easier, in the hope that more people will
> enter this time.
one more than last time.
And the winner is -- DAN BLUM. Hearty congratulations, Dan!
> RQ 271, then, is about these people... as you have no doubt noticed,
> they were born at 12-year intervals, from 1727 on. Or more precisely,
> their *years of birth* were at 12-year intervals -- 1727, 1739, 1751,
> and so on.
In fact, as you no doubt noticed, I goofed big-time on that.
> their *years of birth* were at 12-year intervals -- 1727, 1739, 1751,
> and so on.
I intended to recheck my list before posting the contest, but got
distracted while doing the check and proceeded to post without
completing it.
First, for two of the people shown, there is conflicting information
as to their exact year of birth; but at least these discrepancies
are only a matter of a a year or two, not enough to interfere with
the contest. (They are marked with "?" below.)
But, far worse, for one person -- Renoir -- I accidentally used
the date he *died* at age 78 (1919) instead of the year he was born
(1841). Which was *really* stupid of me, because I knew perfectly
well that he was active as a painter earlier than 1919.
> Your task, of course, is simply to give the year of birth for each
> person -- or, equivalently, to put them in order by date of birth.
> The scoring is 25 points for each correct answer, 5 points for
> each answer where you are off by 12 years, and 1 point for each
> answer where you are off by 24 years. So a perfect score is 625.
> In case of a tie, the tiebreaker will be who scored the most on
> the hardest questions; and if necessary, who posted first.
I think the fairest thing way to handle the error is as follows.
> each answer where you are off by 12 years, and 1 point for each
> answer where you are off by 24 years. So a perfect score is 625.
> In case of a tie, the tiebreaker will be who scored the most on
> the hardest questions; and if necessary, who posted first.
Of the years I said were possible answers, the ones nearest 1841
are 1835 (Saint-Saëns) and 1847 (Bell). I'll treat either of those
answers as correct for Renoir, for 25. If you used the answer format
where you could give the dates explicitly rather than sequencing
the people, and dared to give the "impossible" answer of 1841,
or any date between 1835 and 1847, of course that's also the full 25.
And further, if you gave 1847 or any other date during Renoir's
lifetime for Renoir, then for any person born between Renoir's birth
and the date you gave, I'll treat both the actual answer and the
answer 12 years later as correct.
Conversely, if you gave 1835 for Renoir, then I'll extend the same
leeway for people born before him, treating the answer 12 years
earlier as correct. In this case the leeway period will extend back
for as many chronologically consecutive people as it allows you to
score for.
In all cases this leeway affects 5-point and 1-point answers, in
the obvious way, as well as 25-point answers.
(*) in the scores indicates entrants who benefited from these forms
of compensation. I had to do these corrections by hand, so please
let me know if I got them wrong.
Anyway, my apologies for the screw-up.
Below, for your putative interest, I'm showing not only everyone's
date of birth but also the date of death and the place of each.
It was, of course, while filling in these additional details (but
after having posted the contest) that I realized what had happened;
and I then worked out the corrected scoring scheme as set out above,
before looking at how it would affect anyone.
In fact, it turns out that everybody who entered attempted to use
the entry format where they provided a suitably permuted list of
names (and only one got it so badly wrong I had to write a separate
program to fix their entry), so there was nobody in a position to
dare to give the answer 1841.
> 1. Ethan Allen, militia leader.
1739?-89 (Connecticut, colony of Great Britain; Vermont).
25 for Dan Tilque. 5 for Peter and Dan Blum. 1 for Calvin.
> 2. Pamela Anderson, actress.
1967- (British Columbia, Canada). 25 for Dan Blum, Erland,
and Calvin. 5 for Peter and Dan Tilque.
> 3. John Jacob Astor I, businessman.
1763-1848 (Electoral Palatinate, HRE; New York, US). 25 for
Dan Tilque. 5 for Erland.
> 4. Alexander Graham Bell, inventor.
1847-1922 (Scotland, UK; Nova Scotia, Canada). 25 for Peter.
5 for Calvin and Dan Tilque. 1 for Dan Blum and Erland.
> 5. Mark Brader, computer programmer.
1955- (England, UK). 25 for Dan Blum, Erland, Calvin, and Dan Tilque.
5 for Peter.
> 6. Rachel Carson, scientist.
1907-64 (Pennsylvania, US; Maryland, US). 25 for Dan Blum (*)
and Calvin (*). 5 for Peter and Erland. 1 for Dan Tilque.
> 7. Charlotte of Cambridge, princess.
2015- (England, UK). 25 for everyone -- Peter, Dan Blum, Erland,
Calvin, and Dan Tilque.
> 8. Stephen Crane, author.
1871-1900 (New Jersey, US; Baden, Germany). 1 for Dan Blum.
> 9. Pierre Curie, scientist.
1859-1906 (Seine, France; Seine, France). 25 for Calvin (*).
5 for Peter and Erland. 1 for Dan Tilque.
> 10. John Kerry, politician.
1943- (Colorado, US). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, Erland, and Calvin.
1 for Dan Tilque.
> 11. Pierre Laval, politician.
1883-1945 (Puy-de-Dôme, France; Seine, France). 1 for Erland
and Dan Tilque.
> 12. Kawhi Leonard, basketball player.
1991- (California, US). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, and Calvin.
5 for Erland and Dan Tilque.
> 13. Elisha Otis, inventor.
1811-61 (Vermont, US; New York, US). 5 for Dan Tilque. 1 for Peter.
> 14. Aleksandr Pushkin, author.
1799-1837 (Russia; Russia). 25 for Peter.
> 15. Auguste Renoir, artist.
1841-1919 (Haute-Vienne, France; Alpes-Maritimes, France).
> 16. Babe Ruth, baseball player.
1895-1948 (Maryland, US; New York, US). 25 for everyone, with a
(*) in Dan Blum's case.
That should have read George "Babe" Ruth, of course.
> 17. Sacagawea, expedition member.
1787?-1812 (Shoshone lands; Dakota territory, US). 25 for Dan Blum.
5 for Dan Tilque.
> 18. Camille Saint-Saëns, composer.
1835-1921 (Seine, France; Algeria, colony of France) 1 for Peter,
Erland, Calvin, and Dan Tilque.
> 19. William Shatner, actor.
1931- (Quebec, Canada). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, and Calvin.
5 for Dan Tilque.
> 20. Richard Brinsley Sheridan, author.
1751-1816 (Leinster, Ireland; England, UK). 25 for Calvin
and Dan Tilque. 5 for Dan Blum.
> 21. John M.W. Turner, artist.
1775-1851 (England, GB; England, UK). 25 for Dan Blum and Dan Tilque.
5 for Peter.
> 22. William "Boss" Tweed, politician.
1823-78 (New York, US; New York, US). 5 for Dan Blum. 1 for
Dan Tilque.
> 23. Nik Wallenda, daredevil.
1979- (Florida, US). 25 for Peter and Dan Blum. 5 for Erland
and Dan Tilque.
> 24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress.
2003- (Louisiana, US). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, and Calvin.
> 25. James Wolfe, general.
1727-59 (England, UK; New France, colony of France). 25 for Dan Blum,
Calvin, and Dan Tilque. 5 for Peter.
Scores, if there are no errors:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ...
Dan Blum 5 25 0 1 25 25 25 1 0 25 0 25 0 0 0 ...
"Calvin" 1 25 0 5 25 25 25 0 25 25 0 25 0 0 0 ...
Peter Smyth 5 5 0 25 5 5 25 0 5 25 0 25 1 25 0 ...
Dan Tilque 25 5 25 5 25 1 25 0 1 1 1 5 5 0 0 ...
Erland Sommarskog 0 25 5 1 25 5 25 0 5 25 1 5 0 0 0 ...
... 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 TOTALS
Dan Blum ... 25 25 0 25 5 25 5 25 25 25 342
"Calvin" ... 25 0 1 25 25 0 0 0 25 25 307
Peter Smyth ... 25 0 1 25 0 5 0 25 25 5 262
Dan Tilque ... 25 5 1 5 25 25 1 5 0 25 241
Erland Sommarskog ... 25 0 1 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 153
So now it's back to Dan Blum, I hope, for RQ 272.
--
Mark Brader "...there are other means of persuasion
m...@vex.net besides killing and threatening to kill."
Toronto --Dashiell Hammett, The Maltese Falcon
Mark Brader
Oct 18, 2017, 5:55:06 AM10/18/17
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Dan Blum has won RQ 271, and I've just posted the detailed results
without remembering to change the subject line. You know what to do.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "More importantly, Mark is just plain wrong."
m...@vex.net -- John Hollingsworth
without remembering to change the subject line. You know what to do.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "More importantly, Mark is just plain wrong."
m...@vex.net -- John Hollingsworth
Erland Sommarskog
Oct 18, 2017, 6:38:10 AM10/18/17
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Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
>> 24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress.
>
> 2003- (Louisiana, US). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, and Calvin.
So my assumption that the person born this year would be an actor proved to
>> 24. Quvenzhané Wallis, actress.
>
> 2003- (Louisiana, US). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, and Calvin.
be perfectly correct. Nevermind that in a 50/50 choice I picked the wrong
one, and that someone found that so weird that they had to call that out.
Personally, I was quite surprised when someone suggested that John Kerry
to be born in 1967. But maybe that is my misunderstanding of what's
important in life.
Dan Blum
Oct 18, 2017, 10:01:35 AM10/18/17
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> >> 24. Quvenzhan? Wallis, actress.
are sets that don't overlap as much as they could.
> >
> > 2003- (Louisiana, US). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, and Calvin.
>
> So my assumption that the person born this year would be an actor proved to
> be perfectly correct. Nevermind that in a 50/50 choice I picked the wrong
> one, and that someone found that so weird that they had to call that out.
> Personally, I was quite surprised when someone suggested that John Kerry
> to be born in 1967. But maybe that is my misunderstanding of what's
> important in life.
Well, there's what's important and there's what people tend to know, which
> > 2003- (Louisiana, US). 25 for Peter, Dan Blum, and Calvin.
>
> So my assumption that the person born this year would be an actor proved to
> be perfectly correct. Nevermind that in a 50/50 choice I picked the wrong
> one, and that someone found that so weird that they had to call that out.
> Personally, I was quite surprised when someone suggested that John Kerry
> to be born in 1967. But maybe that is my misunderstanding of what's
> important in life.
are sets that don't overlap as much as they could.
Dan Blum
Oct 18, 2017, 10:02:21 AM10/18/17
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Probably not until Sunday, but yes.
Calvin
Oct 18, 2017, 9:05:32 PM10/18/17
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On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 7:55:06 PM UTC+10, Mark Brader wrote:
> Dan Blum has won RQ 271, and I've just posted the detailed results
> without remembering to change the subject line.
Thanks- I enjoyed that one a lot.
> Dan Blum has won RQ 271, and I've just posted the detailed results
> without remembering to change the subject line.
cheers,
calvin
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