Rare Entries DJT01
Dan Tilque
follow those of Mark's games with one exception, which I'll get to later.
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0. Name a Solar System body that a spacecraft has orbited.
1. Give a chemical element that is an intentional constituent of a coin
issued by a national government since 1950. The coin must have been
issued for circulation, not for collectors or investment purposes.
"Intentional" is meant to rule out various trace elements that are
virtually impossible to remove from metal; the element must be one that
is desired by the makers to be in the coin. Yapese Rai stones, which are
sometimes called coins, are excluded from this question.
2. Give the name of a cartographic feature whose English name is of the
form "Sea of Xxxx".
3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
considered to be pieces in chess.
4. Name a country the United States has officially declared war on.
5. Name a country or state/province whose official flag contains an
asterism. That is, it has an arrangement of stars which intentionally
mimics that of a star pattern in the sky.
6. Name a US President or Vice President whom a city was named after.
The city must have a population of at least 10,000.
7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that
"goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in the scoring
of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
8. Give a common (uncapitalized) English term which is sometimes used to
refer to Puma concolor (a.k.a. Felis concolor). The term may be either
single word or multiple word, but terms that differ from each other only
by minor spelling variation, spaces, hyphens, apostrophes, or other
punctuation will be considered the same.
9. Some things get their name from the material they are (or were)
typically made from. Examples are drinking glasses and eyeglasses (even
though eyeglasses are now usually made from acrylic). Name something of
this category where the material is some sort of metal.
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For those who are unfamiliar with the game, the object is to find
correct answers to the 10 items which have the fewest other people
giving the same answer. Wrong answers will be penalized. Feel free to
use any reference materials you wish to research your answers.
Scoring: For each item, the score will be set to how many people gave a
particular answer. If someone gives an answer no one else gives, they
score 1; if one other person gives that answer, both score 2; etc. Total
score will be the ten individual scores multiplied together. Low score wins.
Wrong answers will score twice the highest score of correct answers for
that item. This is the only difference from Mark's rules.
Have fun!
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Dan Tilque
Alan Curry
In article <imcjnd$7hd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Dan Tilque wrote:
>
>Reply-To: poster
>
You mean "Followup-To: poster".
I like the question set. Sending answers soon...
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Alan Curry
Dan Tilque
>
> You mean "Followup-To: poster".
You're right, I got confused. In case anyone had problems with it, below
is the post again with the correct header.
>
> I like the question set. Sending answers soon...
>
Thank you
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Dan Tilque
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This is my first attempt at a Rare Entries contest. The rules will
follow those of Mark's games with one exception, which I'll get to later.
As usual, reply ONLY BY EMAIL to dti...@frontier.com DO NOT post
Dan Tilque
If you sent in an entry but did not receive an acknowledgment, please
let me know.
I should have the answers out soon.
--
Dan Tilque
Dan Tilque
The winner was ALAN CURRY, with John Gerson and Nick Selwyn coming 2nd
and 3rd. Congratulations to all of you.
Here are their answer sets, with some answers abbreviated. Read in
monospaced font to get proper alignment.
ALAN CURRY JOHN GERSON NICK SELWYN
0 Venus 0 Mars 0 Venus
1 zinc 1 iron 1 nickel
2 Sea of Sardinia 2 Sea of Sicily 2 Sea of Crisis
3 bishop 3 king 3 knight
4 Spain 4 Hungary 4 UK
5 New Ireland Province 5 Paraná 5 Papua New Guinea
6 John C. Calhoun 6 Thomas Jefferson 6 Cleveland
7 Skee-ball 7 archery 7 rugby
8 mountain lion 8 painter 8 catamount
9 brass knuckles 9 copper (boiler) 9 steel (flint &)
Erland Sommarskog and Ray (rthe...@hotmail.com) quoted text from the
contest in their answers. They are hereby chastized.
Here's the complete table of scores.
Total Q0 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q5 Q6 Q7 Q8 Q9
160 4 2 1 5 2 1 1 1 2 1 Alan Curry
216 1 3 1 3 2 2 3 1 1 2 John Gerson
288 4 1 1 3 2 1 1 3 4 1 Nick Selwyn
480 1 2 1 3 2 1 2 2 5 2 Calvin
576 3 2 1 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 Garmt de Vries
864 4 1 4 3 2 1 3 1 3 1 Mark Brader
1800 1 W 1 5 W 2 1 1 5 1 Peter Smyth
1920 5 2 1 3 2 2 2 2 4 1 Lieven Marchand
2880 W 3 1 3 2 1 2 2 4 1 Sam Buttrey
4000 5 2 4 1 2 5 1 1 W 1 Roy (rthe...@hotmail.com)
4800 4 1 4 3 2 5 2 1 5 1 Haran Pilpel
5400 W 3 1 1 1 W 3 1 1 W Stephen Perry
7200 5 2 1 3 2 5 2 1 4 3 Bruce Bowler
8100 5 W 1 3 3 5 1 2 3 1 Kevin Stone
10800 W 3 4 5 1 1 1 W 1 3 Erland Sommarskog
14580 3 W 1 5 3 2 1 3 3 3 Rob Parker
20250 5 3 1 3 2 5 1 3 5 3 Joseph P
24300 3 3 1 5 3 2 W 3 5 1 Lejonel Norling
And then the scores of the individual questions:
0. Name a Solar System body that a spacecraft has orbited.
5 Earth (=Terra)
4 Venus
3 Saturn
1 Mars
1 Moon
1 Sun
Wrong
1 Io
1 Titan
1 Vesta
Vesta will join this club in July, provided things go right with the
Dawn mission.
Valid answers not given are Jupiter, 433 Eros, and Mercury. I don't know
if the question on the Current Events quiz that Mark posted shortly
after the start of this contest influenced things or not. But based on
some people's wrong answers there, they had not thoroughly researched
this item before sending in their answers here.
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1. Give a chemical element that is an intentional constituent of a coin
issued by a national government since 1950. The coin must have been
issued for circulation, not for collectors or investment purposes.
'Intentional' is meant to rule out various trace elements that are
virtually impossible to remove from metal; the element must be one that
is desired by the makers to be in the coin. Yapese Rai stones, which are
sometimes called coins, are excluded from this question.
3 aluminum
3 iron
2 carbon
2 copper
2 zinc
1 chromium
1 nickel
1 silver
Wrong
1 lead
1 niobium
1 ruthenium
As far as I can tell, lead has not been used in a coin for a couple
centuries or so (except for counterfeits, of course). Niobium and
ruthenium have, but only for collectible coins.
Valid answers not given are magnesium, mangnese, tin, and (one which
takes a bit of thought to come up with) oxygen.
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2. Give the name of a cartographic feature whose English name is of the
form "Sea of Xxxx".
4 Sea of Azov
1 Sea of Crete
1 Sea of Crisis
1 Sea of Galilee
1 Sea of Marmara
1 Sea of Moisture (Mare Humorum)
1 Sea of Muscovy
1 Sea of Okhotsk
1 Sea of Oman
1 Sea of Rhûn
1 Sea of Sardinia
1 Sea of Showers
1 Sea of Sicily
1 Sea of Vapours
1 Sea of William Henry Smith
Amazing collision in the Sea of Azov. AFAIK, the only terrestrial answer
not given is the Sea of Japan.
The Sea of Rhûn was an unexpected, but delightful answer. I wish I could
give extra credit for it.
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3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
considered to be pieces in chess.
5 bishop
3 king
3 knight
+ 1 white queen's knight
3 queen
3 rook (=castle)
1 elephant
I expected more people to either go more specific (e.g. white queen's
knight) or to other varieties of chess (e.g. elephant -- Chinese chess).
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4. Name a country the United States has officially declared war on.
3 Italy
2 Austria-Hungary
2 Bulgaria
2 Hungary
2 Japan
2 Spain
2 United Kingdom
1 Germany
1 Romania
Wrong
1 Dominican Republic
The Dominican Republic was occupied by the US twice during the 20th
century, but both times just on the orders of the president. A
declaration of war requires Congressional action.
The only valid answer not given was Mexico.
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5. Name a country or state/province whose official flag contains an
asterism. That is, it has an arrangement of stars which intentionally
mimics that of a star pattern in the sky.
5 New Zealand
2 Australia
2 Paraná, Brazil
2 Victoria, Australia
1 Alaska, USA
1 New Ireland Province, Papua New Guinea
1 Niue
1 Papua New Guinea
1 Simbu, Papua New Guinea
1 Tierra del Fuego, Antárida y las Islas del Atlántico Sur, Argentina
Wrong
1 Tuvalu
The stars on the Tuvalu flag are in a geographical pattern, not an
astronomical one.
Another big collision, this time in NZ which is not even close to the
Sea of Azov.
I was sorely tempted to rule Niue wrong. When they designed the flag,
they started with the New Zealand flag but moved the stars into the
canton. This ruined the kite-shaped pattern of the Southern Cross,
although they still claim that the stars represent that constellation.
Only one of the flags given (Alaska) does not have a Southern Cross as
its asterism. As far as I know, it's the only non-southern hemisphere
valid answer to this item. No one answered Brazil, which not only has
the Southern Cross, but also a number of other southern constellations
on it. I have no idea how many valid answers there are to this question.
Did anyone make a list?
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6. Name a US President or Vice President whom a city was named after.
The city must have a population of at least 10,000.
[The largest city named after the person is in parens after the name.]
3 Thomas Jefferson (Jefferson City MO)
2 Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln NE)
2 James Monroe (Monrovia, Liberia)
2 John Tyler (Tyler TX)
1 John Quincy Adams (Quincy IL)
1 John C Calhoun (Calhoun GA)
1 Grover Cleveland (Cleveland MS)
1 Andrew Jackson (Jacksonville FL)
1 William McKinley (McKinleyville CA)
1 William Howard Taft (Taft, Eastern Samar, Philippines)
1 Martin van Buren (Van Buren AR)
1 George Washington (Washington DC)
Wrong
1 Mariano Acosta (Vice President of Argentina)
Several people misunderstood the question and gave the name of a city
rather than the person it was named after. Upon review of my question, I
can see that the second part of the question may have given them the
wrong idea. Since I'm not trying to mislead people into giving wrong
answers, I decided to give them credit for their answers as if they'd
named the person.
On the other hand, I can't see any way that a non-US VP is allowed under
the wording of the question. If I'd wanted to allow them, I would have
said "American" instead of "US" and included both presidents and VPs
from the entire hemisphere.
McKinleyville CA is unincorporated. I probably would have been excluded
those if I'd thought of it. But I didn't, so it gets in.
Washington DC is also technically not incorporated. But there are
several other sufficiently-large cities which were named after GW, the
largest of which is Georgetown KY, so George would qualify even with
such an exclusion.
Prior to the contest, I made up a list of possible answers. That list
had twelve people. Among the first five answers I received were three
that were not on my list. Subsequent research on my part plus other
answers received has extended the list to about 20, which is likely
still incomplete.
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7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that
"goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in the scoring
of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
3 Australian Rules football
3 rugby
+ 2 union rugby
+ + 1 rugby sevens
2 korfball
2 polo
1 archery
1 beach basketball
1 Canadian football
1 hurling
1 netball
1 Skeeball
1 wheelchair rugby league
Wrong
1 golf
The person who answered 'archery' pointed out that I'd given a
definition of "goal" that his answer complied with. Well I hadn't meant
to do that, but I can see his point. (mumble-mumble damnedruleslawyers
mumble-mumble-mumble). 'Skeeball' gets in under the same ruling. 'Golf',
on the other hand, in no way complies with the definition. (I should
have avoided giving anything like a definition and merely said "Note
that 'goal' is not to be construed as a synonym for 'objective'". Next
time I'll know better.)
From what I've read on Wikipedia, rugby sevens is a variant of rugby
union, while wheelchair rugby league has only a passing resemblance to
the non-wheelchair forms of the game. I've scored them that way, but am
willing to be corrected by those more familiar with the games.
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8. Give a common (uncapitalized) English term which is sometimes used to
refer to Puma concolor (a.k.a. Felis concolor). The term may be either
single word or multiple word, but terms that differ from each other only
by minor spelling variation, spaces, hyphens, apostrophes, or other
punctuation will be considered the same.
5 puma
4 catamount
3 panther
2 mountain lion
1 devil cat
1 mountain cat
1 painter
Wrong
1 Indian devil (capitalized term)
Most people seemed to have just looked at the Wiki page for this animal
and given one of the synonyms listed there. And avoided the most common
name (Cougar). A little bit of googling would have found many more
names, although one had to be careful not to give one of the capitalized
terms.
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9. Some things get their name from the material they are (or were)
typically made from. Examples are drinking glasses and eyeglasses (even
though eyeglasses are now usually made from acrylic). Name something of
this category where the material is some sort of metal.
3 copper
+ 2 copper (vessel for doing laundry)
3 tin can (=tin)
1 branding iron
1 brass knuckles
1 copperplate
1 flat iron
1 iron maiden
1 irons (golf clubs)
1 lead pencil
1 nickel (coin)
1 steel (flint and steel)
1 tin-tack
1 waffle iron
Wrong
1 copper bottom deal
Technically 'lead pencil' is a wrong answer, since they never actually
had lead in them. However, apparently some people once thought that
graphite was a form of lead, so I'm giving it the benefit.
'Copper bottom deal', based on the origin of the term supplied by the
entrant, never had any copper in them nor did people think they had.
That origin is "so named from the superior copper sheathing on ships in
the 18th & 19th centuries. aka copper bottoms, which were so solid and
resistant to worms and other sea-based problems that the ships always
arrived thereby giving the name to solid deals." Unless the deals were
actually engraved on copper sheathing from the bottoms of ships (which I
really doubt), the answer is wrong.
I didn't expect many collisions on this one, since there's probably
dozens more valid answers.
Thank you all for participating. I may have another one in a couple
weeks or so.
--
Dan Tilque
Kevin Stone
> issued by a national government since 1950
> Wrong
> 1 ruthenium
Not why this was marked as wrong.
As per the link in my answer set:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coinage_metals
In the 1967 Tonga 1/2 Hau...
--
Kev
Mark Brader
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Give a chemical element that is an intentional constituent of a coin
> issued by a national government since 1950.
> Valid answers not given are magnesium, mangnese, tin, and (one which
> takes a bit of thought to come up with) oxygen.
Are you referring to the fact that aluminum exposed to air forms a
transparent crust of oxide?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 2. Give the name of a cartographic feature whose English name is of the
> form "Sea of Xxxx".
>
> 4 Sea of Azov
> 1 Sea of Crete
> 1 Sea of Crisis
> 1 Sea of Galilee
> 1 Sea of Marmara
> 1 Sea of Moisture (Mare Humorum)
> 1 Sea of Muscovy
> 1 Sea of Okhotsk
> 1 Sea of Oman
> 1 Sea of Rhūn
> 1 Sea of Sardinia
> 1 Sea of Showers
> 1 Sea of Sicily
> 1 Sea of Vapours
> 1 Sea of William Henry Smith
I see only two correct answers here, Sea of Azov and Sea of Oman.
The Sea of Rhūn is a literary invention, not a cartographic feature,
and all others have more than the required number of letters.
> Amazing collision in the Sea of Azov.
Perhaps this is now explained.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
> considered to be pieces in chess.
...
> I expected more people to either go more specific (e.g. white queen's
> knight)
Damn!
> or to other varieties of chess (e.g. elephant -- Chinese chess).
Those are other games with "chess" in the name, not chess. You made
it clear that "chess" means chess when you spoke of "piece" not
including pawns (a distinction not always made even in chess).
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 6. Name a US President or Vice President whom a city was named after.
> The city must have a population of at least 10,000.
...
> Prior to the contest, I made up a list of possible answers. That list
> had twelve people. Among the first five answers I received were three
> that were not on my list. Subsequent research on my part plus other
> answers received has extended the list to about 20, which is likely
> still incomplete.
I'd be interested to see it.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that
> "goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in the scoring
> of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
...
> Wrong
> 1 golf
...
> 'Golf', on the other hand, in no way complies with the definition.
*Huh?*
You score (demerit) points until you reach the hole. How is this not
using the hole "in the scoring of points"?
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | The real trouble with this world of ours is... that
m...@vex.net | it is nearly reasonable, but not quite. --Chesterton
My text in this article is in the public domain.
swp
> form "Sea of Xxxx".
>
> 4 Sea of Azov
> 1 Sea of Crete
> 1 Sea of Crisis
> 1 Sea of Galilee
> 1 Sea of Marmara
> 1 Sea of Moisture (Mare Humorum)
> 1 Sea of Muscovy
> 1 Sea of Okhotsk
> 1 Sea of Oman
> 1 Sea of Sardinia
> 1 Sea of Showers
> 1 Sea of Sicily
> 1 Sea of Vapours
> 1 Sea of William Henry Smith
>
> Amazing collision in the Sea of Azov. AFAIK, the only terrestrial answer
> not given is the Sea of Japan.
>
> give extra credit for it.
you should! divide that person's score by 10! you make the rules,
nothing is holding you back from doing this, so go for it! you'll
feel better, your work will improve, you'll live a longer happier
healthier life, and ladies will find you irresistable. just do it.
> 9. Some things get their name from the material they are (or were)
> typically made from. Examples are drinking glasses and eyeglasses (even
> though eyeglasses are now usually made from acrylic). Name something of
> this category where the material is some sort of metal.
>
> 3 copper
> + 2 copper (vessel for doing laundry)
> 3 tin can (=tin)
> 1 branding iron
> 1 brass knuckles
> 1 copperplate
> 1 flat iron
> 1 iron maiden
> 1 irons (golf clubs)
> 1 lead pencil
> 1 nickel (coin)
> 1 steel (flint and steel)
> 1 tin-tack
> 1 waffle iron
>
> Wrong
> 1 copper bottom deal
>
> Technically 'lead pencil' is a wrong answer, since they never actually
> had lead in them. However, apparently some people once thought that
> graphite was a form of lead, so I'm giving it the benefit.
sure, for 'them' you do this. it's a conspiracy I tells ya, a
conspiracy!
> 'Copper bottom deal', based on the origin of the term supplied by the
> entrant, never had any copper in them nor did people think they had.
> That origin is "so named from the superior copper sheathing on ships in
> the 18th & 19th centuries. aka copper bottoms, which were so solid and
> resistant to worms and other sea-based problems that the ships always
> arrived thereby giving the name to solid deals." Unless the deals were
> actually engraved on copper sheathing from the bottoms of ships (which I
> really doubt), the answer is wrong.
>
copperplate gothic is no longer one of my favorite fonts. next time I
won't pick a concept, i.e. 'deal' in this case, and stick with
something a little more iron-clad. I'll eschew using a grawlix (Mort
Walker invented the term, look it up) or other profanity at this point
even though I'm thinking it.
thank you for running this contest, it was amusing. please do
another, and try to get the word out on social networks to get more
entries. might be better than just the traditional newsgroups.
maybe. of course, offering a prize would help too. but then, I'm not
the one running or scoring it.
swp
Alan Curry
Dan Tilque <dti...@frontier.com> wrote:
>There were 18 entrants in this contest. Not bad for my first time.
>
>The winner was ALAN CURRY, with John Gerson and Nick Selwyn coming 2nd
>and 3rd. Congratulations to all of you.
Woohoo!
>
>The Sea of Rhûn was an unexpected, but delightful answer. I wish I could
>give extra credit for it.
Can't we generally assume that "non-fictional" is implied? If you're going to
allow otherwise, that's going to make of your future questions longer by the
necessary addition of "non-fictional" to most of them. And now you know what
Mark was up against after doing 50 of these...
>
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>3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
>considered to be pieces in chess.
>
> 5 bishop
> 3 king
> 3 knight
> + 1 white queen's knight
> 3 queen
> 3 rook (=castle)
> 1 elephant
>
>I expected more people to either go more specific (e.g. white queen's
>knight) or to other varieties of chess (e.g. elephant -- Chinese chess).
I considered entering "black light-squared bishop" but had to be conservative
since I couldn't predict your judging style. Wrong answers are the
score-killer.
--
Alan Curry
Erland Sommarskog
>> Valid answers not given are magnesium, mangnese, tin, and (one which
>> takes a bit of thought to come up with) oxygen.
>
> Are you referring to the fact that aluminum exposed to air forms a
> transparent crust of oxide?
I hope he isn't, because I considered that answer, but decided that the
oxygen in this case is not intentional.
> I see only two correct answers here, Sea of Azov and Sea of Oman.
> The Sea of Rhûn is a literary invention, not a cartographic feature,
> and all others have more than the required number of letters.
I answered Sea of Azov, but I just first that took what came into mind.
I never interpreted Xxxx to mean exactly four letters. Then again,
the Xxxx might have lured me to think "Azov". Sounds like a fair game
to me.
>> 7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that
>> "goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in the scoring
>> of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
> ...
>> Wrong
>> 1 golf
> ...
>> 'Golf', on the other hand, in no way complies with the definition.
>
> *Huh?*
>
> You score (demerit) points until you reach the hole. How is this not
> using the hole "in the scoring of points"?
Dan's clarification helped to make the question more ambiguous that it
had been witout it, and opened for things you would normally not think
of as goals. I can understand that neither golf nor archery were intended
answers, but if archery is correct, I don't see why golf is wrong? Because
there is not *a* stationary object - there are 18? Then again, you only
play against one of them at the time.
It was my answer, by the way.
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esq...@sommarskog.se
Alan Curry
Erland Sommarskog <esq...@sommarskog.se> wrote:
>> I see only two correct answers here, Sea of Azov and Sea of Oman.
>> and all others have more than the required number of letters.
>
>I answered Sea of Azov, but I just first that took what came into mind.
>I never interpreted Xxxx to mean exactly four letters. Then again,
>the Xxxx might have lured me to think "Azov". Sounds like a fair game
>to me.
Counting X's didn't occur to me either.
>
>>> 7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that
>>> "goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in the scoring
>>> of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
>> ...
>>> Wrong
>>> 1 golf
>> ...
>>> 'Golf', on the other hand, in no way complies with the definition.
>>
>> *Huh?*
>>
>> You score (demerit) points until you reach the hole. How is this not
>> using the hole "in the scoring of points"?
>
>Dan's clarification helped to make the question more ambiguous that it
>had been witout it, and opened for things you would normally not think
>of as goals. I can understand that neither golf nor archery were intended
>answers, but if archery is correct, I don't see why golf is wrong? Because
>there is not *a* stationary object - there are 18? Then again, you only
>play against one of them at the time.
>
>It was my answer, by the way.
I also thought of golf while pondering the wide-open definition of "goal".
But that definition includes the word "points" without a similarly wide
definition, leaving only the rules of the sport to define what a point is.
Golf scores are counted in strokes, not points.
And baseball has runs instead of points, which is too bad since home plate is
a perfectly good stationary physical object used in scoring.
--
Alan Curry
Dan Tilque
It's a coin that was sold only to collectors which were explicitly
excluded. If you'd gone to the Wiki page on the Tongan pa'anga (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_pa%CA%BBanga ), you'd find this
right near the top:
"There is also the unit of hau (1 hau = 100 pa'anga) but this is not
used in every day life and can only be found on commemorative coins of
higher denominations."
--
Dan Tilque
Dan Tilque
> Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
>>> Valid answers not given are magnesium, mangnese, tin, and (one which
>>> takes a bit of thought to come up with) oxygen.
>> Are you referring to the fact that aluminum exposed to air forms a
>> transparent crust of oxide?
Yes.
>
> I hope he isn't, because I considered that answer, but decided that the
> oxygen in this case is not intentional.
It certainly is. An aluminum coin without the crust would be too soft.
The makers definitely want it on the coin, even if they don't directly
add it themselves. If the crust did not form, aluminum would not be a
good metal for coins, or for that matter, almost anything else.
>
>>> 7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that
>>> "goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in the scoring
>>> of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
>> ...
>>> Wrong
>>> 1 golf
>> ...
>>> 'Golf', on the other hand, in no way complies with the definition.
>> *Huh?*
>>
>> You score (demerit) points until you reach the hole. How is this not
>> using the hole "in the scoring of points"?
In golf a point (stroke actually, but I'm willing to let "point" be a
generic term for all kinds of scoring) is made by the golfer swinging a
club at the ball. Whether the ball goes into the cup or not is
irrelevant. In fact, whether the ball is hit or not is irrelevant. The
swing is what counts and there's no stationary object involved in that.
The cup itself is just a limitation, not significantly different from
the clock or sidelines in other sports.
>
> Dan's clarification helped to make the question more ambiguous that it
> had been witout it,
I agree that it was not well thought out. It was a last minute addition
and I should have taken more time to consider it.
--
Dan Tilque
Mark Brader
>>>> Valid answers not given are magnesium, mangnese, tin, and (one which
>>>> takes a bit of thought to come up with) oxygen.
Mark Brader:
>>> Are you referring to the fact that aluminum exposed to air forms a
>>> transparent crust of oxide?
Erland Sommarskog:
>> I hope he isn't, because I considered that answer, but decided that the
>> oxygen in this case is not intentional.
Dan Tilque:
> It certainly is. An aluminum coin without the crust would be too soft.
I find that hard to believe, given that aluminum is used structurally
(on trains and airplanes, for example). I think the correct reason is
that the crust blocks any further reaction with the air, so the metal
doesn't need painting to stop it from all corroding away the way iron
or steel would.
> Whether the ball goes into the cup or not is
> irrelevant. In fact, whether the ball is hit or not is irrelevant. The
> swing is what counts and there's no stationary object involved in that.
*Point* taken.
By the way, I should make it explicit that I'm not at all annoyed about
anything I complained about, or even the other thing I didn't complain
about. Rather, I'd like to thank you for running the contest.
--
Mark Brader | "Red lights are not my concern.
Toronto | I am a driver, not a policeman."
m...@vex.net | --statement made after collision, 1853
Dan Tilque
> Dan Tilque:
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 2. Give the name of a cartographic feature whose English name is of the
>> form "Sea of Xxxx".
>>
>> 4 Sea of Azov
>> 1 Sea of Crete
>> 1 Sea of Crisis
>> 1 Sea of Galilee
>> 1 Sea of Marmara
>> 1 Sea of Moisture (Mare Humorum)
>> 1 Sea of Muscovy
>> 1 Sea of Okhotsk
>> 1 Sea of Oman
>> 1 Sea of Rhūn
>> 1 Sea of Sardinia
>> 1 Sea of Showers
>> 1 Sea of Sicily
>> 1 Sea of Vapours
>> 1 Sea of William Henry Smith
>
> I see only two correct answers here, Sea of Azov and Sea of Oman.
> The Sea of Rhūn is a literary invention, not a cartographic feature,
> and all others have more than the required number of letters.
"Cartographic" in this usage means something that appears on a map. I
don't get the implication that it has to be a map of somewhere in the
real world. Unlike "geographic", for example, which by definition is
something on Earth.
Perhaps we need a rule on this for future questions.
>
>> Amazing collision in the Sea of Azov.
>
> Perhaps this is now explained.
Well I certainly didn't intend for people to think the number of Xs was
significant. It was just a shorthand for something like "a name starting
with 'Sea of' followed by another word".[1] Now that I think about it, I
realize that there are sometimes puzzles where the number Xs in such a
construct is significant.
I realized that you were disadvantaged by your reading of the question.
I don't know how to equitably correct it except by giving everyone a 1
on this, which would effectively throw the question out. Does this sound
like a good solution to everyone?
[1] I realize that "Sea of William Henry Smith" does not follow this
form, but its Latin name is Mare Smythii which translates as Sea of
Smyth. Note: I misspelled the last name in the results; the entrant
spelled it correctly: Smyth.
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
>> considered to be pieces in chess.
> ...
>> I expected more people to either go more specific (e.g. white queen's
>> knight)
>
> Damn!
I figured you'd be one to do this.
>
>> or to other varieties of chess (e.g. elephant -- Chinese chess).
>
> Those are other games with "chess" in the name, not chess. You made
> it clear that "chess" means chess when you spoke of "piece" not
> including pawns (a distinction not always made even in chess).
Good point. I did indirectly imply that it was standard chess. So the
elephant is right out. Sorry, swp.
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 6. Name a US President or Vice President whom a city was named after.
>> The city must have a population of at least 10,000.
> ...
>> Prior to the contest, I made up a list of possible answers. That list
>> had twelve people. Among the first five answers I received were three
>> that were not on my list. Subsequent research on my part plus other
>> answers received has extended the list to about 20, which is likely
>> still incomplete.
>
> I'd be interested to see it.
>
It contains info that may be relevant to a future Rare Entries question,
so I'd rather not post it. And emailing it to a potential participant is
right out.
--
Dan Tilque
Dan Tilque
> In article <inup5a$dgo$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Dan Tilque <dti...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
>> considered to be pieces in chess.
>>
>> 5 bishop
>> 3 king
>> 3 knight
>> + 1 white queen's knight
>> 3 queen
>> 3 rook (=castle)
>> 1 elephant
>>
>> I expected more people to either go more specific (e.g. white queen's
>> knight)
>
> I considered entering "black light-squared bishop" but had to be conservative
> since I couldn't predict your judging style. Wrong answers are the
> score-killer.
>
The question asked for a name and that's more of a description. So I'd
probably rule it wrong. Black queen's bishop, which is the name of that
particular piece, would have been a good answer.
--
Dan Tilque
Dan Tilque
>
> Dan Tilque:
>> It certainly is. An aluminum coin without the crust would be too soft.
>
> I find that hard to believe, given that aluminum is used structurally
> (on trains and airplanes, for example). I think the correct reason is
> that the crust blocks any further reaction with the air, so the metal
> doesn't need painting to stop it from all corroding away the way iron
> or steel would.
That's true, but the wear factor is very important for coins. They're
expected to last about 30 years in circulation. Aluminum oxide is one of
the hardest materials known. Without it on the outside of aluminum
coins, they'd wear out way too quickly.
It's possible that coin makers may make use of the fact that the oxide
coating takes a few hours to form on newly-made aluminum. Stamping a
freshly-made aluminum blank would be much easier than one which has had
time to form a crust. However, I don't know if they do this or not.
>
>> Whether the ball goes into the cup or not is
>> irrelevant. In fact, whether the ball is hit or not is irrelevant. The
>> swing is what counts and there's no stationary object involved in that.
>
> *Point* taken.
:groan:
>
> By the way, I should make it explicit that I'm not at all annoyed about
> anything I complained about, or even the other thing I didn't complain
> about.
Hey, no problem. The post-results discussions/arguments are half the fun
of these things. Can you give a hint about the "other thing"?
> Rather, I'd like to thank you for running the contest.
And thank you for participating.
--
Dan Tilque
Calvin
wrote:
>>> Amazing collision in the Sea of Azov.
>> Perhaps this is now explained.
>
> Well I certainly didn't intend for people to think the number of Xs was
> significant. It was just a shorthand for something like "a name starting
> with 'Sea of' followed by another word".[1] Now that I think about it, I
> realize that there are sometimes puzzles where the number Xs in such a
> construct is significant.
>
> I realized that you were disadvantaged by your reading of the question.
> I don't know how to equitably correct it except by giving everyone a 1
> on this, which would effectively throw the question out. Does this sound
> like a good solution to everyone?
Not to me. We should be encouraging "outside the box" answers, not
penalising them.
Great quiz thanks Dan.
--
cheers,
calvin
Mark Brader
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 2. Give the name of a cartographic feature whose English name is of the
>>> form "Sea of Xxxx".
>>>
>>> 4 Sea of Azov
>>> 1 Sea of Crete
>>> 1 Sea of Crisis
>>> 1 Sea of Galilee
>>> 1 Sea of Marmara
>>> 1 Sea of Moisture (Mare Humorum)
>>> 1 Sea of Muscovy
>>> 1 Sea of Okhotsk
>>> 1 Sea of Oman
>>> 1 Sea of Rhūn
>>> 1 Sea of Sardinia
>>> 1 Sea of Showers
>>> 1 Sea of Sicily
>>> 1 Sea of Vapours
>>> 1 Sea of William Henry Smith
Mark Brader:
>> I see only two correct answers here, Sea of Azov and Sea of Oman.
>> The Sea of Rhūn is a literary invention, not a cartographic feature,
>> and all others have more than the required number of letters.
Dan Tilque:
> "Cartographic" in this usage means something that appears on a map. I
> don't get the implication that it has to be a map of somewhere in the
> real world... Perhaps we need a rule on this for future questions.
Well, in my contests if fictional answers are allowed then I say so.
This is something I've always considered obvious enough that no
explicit rule should be needed.
> Well I certainly didn't intend for people to think the number of Xs was
> significant. It was just a shorthand for something like "a name starting
> with 'Sea of' followed by another word".[1]
Harrumph.
> I realized that you were disadvantaged by your reading of the question.
> I don't know how to equitably correct it except by giving everyone a 1
> on this, which would effectively throw the question out. Does this sound
> like a good solution to everyone?
Hell no. Let the scores stand. You're in charge here. Just try to
do better next time, eh?
> [1] I realize that "Sea of William Henry [Smyth]" does not follow
> this form...
Oh, so the number of *words* in "Xxxx" was significant, just not the
number of *letters*. Riiiiiiight, that was obvious.
[And the number of I's is significant there. :-)]
--
Mark Brader Be there or be... hmmm. I can't pretend that a
Toronto six-hour seminar on trivia skills is exactly the
m...@vex.net opposite of "square." --Ken Jennings
Mark Brader
>>> It certainly is. An aluminum coin without the crust would be too soft.
Mark Brader:
>> I find that hard to believe, given that aluminum is used structurally
>> (on trains and airplanes, for example). I think the correct reason is
>> that the crust blocks any further reaction with the air...
Dan Tilque:
> That's true, but the wear factor is very important for coins. They're
> expected to last about 30 years in circulation...
Good point. And indeed my impression is that subway tokens here were
still aluminum, they tended to wear faster than coins. However, that
might just be because the relief was lower.
>> or even the other thing I didn't complain about.
>
> Can you give a hint about the "other thing"?
Not applying the relevant bit of rule 3.1, to the detriment of
people who complied properly.
(I admit 3.1 does say "normally", but there was nothing misleading.)
--
Mark Brader | "The problem with waiting for a 'smoking gun' is
Toronto | that it means the gun has already been fired."
m...@vex.net | --Michael Chance
Garmt de Vries
> There were 18 entrants in this contest. Not bad for my first time.
Indeed. I'm happy to see other people taking up the running of rare
entries contests, they're always good fun. Let's hope more people will
start competing as well.
> 0. Name a Solar System body that a spacecraft has orbited.
>
> 5 Earth (=Terra)
> 4 Venus
> 3 Saturn
> 1 Mars
> 1 Moon
> 1 Sun
> [...]
> Valid answers not given are Jupiter, 433 Eros, and Mercury.
I did consider both 433 Eros, but decided against it as it was the
only not-so-well-known body on the list. Similarly, I decided against
Mercury because it had been in the news. Why nobody entered Jupiter is
a mystery to me.
> 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
> considered to be pieces in chess.
>
> 3 rook (=castle)
Since you asked for the name rather than the piece itself, you
shouldn't treat rook and castle as equivalent answers. I specifically
looked for a less common term for a chess piece. I'm surprised nobody
answered minister or horse.
Chris F.A. Johnson
> On Apr 11, 1:38?pm, Dan Tilque <dtil...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> There were 18 entrants in this contest. Not bad for my first time.
>> 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
>> considered to be pieces in chess.
>>
>
> Since you asked for the name rather than the piece itself, you
> shouldn't treat rook and castle as equivalent answers.
There is no chess piece called a castle.
> I specifically looked for a less common term for a chess piece. I'm
> surprised nobody answered minister or horse.
Nor is there one called a minister or horse.
--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfajohnson.com>
Author: =======================
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Garmt de Vries
> On 2011-04-12, Garmt de Vries wrote:
>
> > On Apr 11, 1:38?pm, Dan Tilque <dtil...@frontier.com> wrote:
> >> There were 18 entrants in this contest. Not bad for my first time.
> ...
> >> 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
> >> considered to be pieces in chess.
>
> >> ? 3 rook (=castle)
>
> > Since you asked for the name rather than the piece itself, you
> > shouldn't treat rook and castle as equivalent answers.
>
> There is no chess piece called a castle.
Wordnet:
S: (n) castle, rook ((chess) the piece that can move any number of
unoccupied squares in a direction parallel to the sides of the
chessboard)
OED:
Castle. Chess, informal: old-fashioned term for rook
M-W:
Castle: Rook
So "castle" is definitely an English name for a chess piece, even if
it's not the standard name.
> > I specifically looked for a less common term for a chess piece. I'm
> > surprised nobody answered minister or horse.
>
> Nor is there one called a minister or horse.
According to Wordnet, "horse" is a synonym of "knight". Admittedly,
"minister" is archaic, that's why I didn't enter that, but some people
might have.
Dan Tilque
This was a place I wasn't sure how to score. I would have asked Mark for
advice, but his score would have been involved. Does someone have an
example from a previous RE contest of a similar situation where I can
see a precedent?
--
Dan Tilque
Garmt de Vries
The rules (as phrased by Mark) state:
"Some questions specifically ask for a *word*, rather than the thing
that it names; this means that different words with the same meaning
will in general be treated as distinct answers. However, if two or
more inflectional variants, spelling variants, or other closely
related forms are correct answers, they will be treated as
equivalent."
Surely this is the case here? You asked for the *name*, that is, the
*word* referring to the thing (the chess piece), not the thing itself.
giovani
and quietly stated:
> On 2011-04-12, Garmt de Vries wrote:
>> On Apr 11, 1:38?pm, Dan Tilque <dtil...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> There were 18 entrants in this contest. Not bad for my first time.
> ...
>>> 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
>>> considered to be pieces in chess.
>>>
>>> ? 3 rook (=castle)
>>
>> Since you asked for the name rather than the piece itself, you
>> shouldn't treat rook and castle as equivalent answers.
>
> There is no chess piece called a castle.
Actually there is: it's alternate name is "rook" :)
>> I specifically looked for a less common term for a chess piece. I'm
>> surprised nobody answered minister or horse.
>
> Nor is there one called a minister or horse.
I have heard of "horse", but not sure re minister
This from the Southern Hemisphere
--
You non-conformists are all alike
Rob Parker
"Dan Tilque" <dti...@frontier.com> wrote in message
news:io156t$b99$1...@dont-email.me...
I can't recall an example from a previous RE contest; all I can offer is my
take on this:
When I was young, and learning chess, the piece I now call "rook" was called
"castle" - and chess rules still refer to the manoeuvre of "castling", not
"rooking". The term "horse" or "horsey" was a colloquial term for a knight;
and I've never heard the term "minister" applied to a bishop. If I was
running this contest, I'd accept "castle", but none of the other words in
dispute. As for the equivalence of "rook" and "castle", that's tightly tied
to how you are interpreting Mark's rules - over to him.
HTH,
Rob
gerson
"Garmt de Vries" wrote
> > 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
> > considered to be pieces in chess.
> >
> > 3 rook (=castle)
> Since you asked for the name rather than the piece itself, you
> shouldn't treat rook and castle as equivalent answers. I specifically
> looked for a less common term for a chess piece. I'm surprised nobody
> answered minister or horse.
Because the question says "*the* English name" it has to be thought that it
should be interpreted differently from if it had said "*an* English name".
I mean, suppose some people call the Queen "Babe", (as in say "go for it
Babe" when slashing through ranks of pawns perhaps to sacrifice itself
invading some strong postion, (?); that wouldn't make "Babe" not a W,
because it wouldn't be "the" name, it would be "a" name. It says *the*.
So "horse" and that's wrong.
Chris F.A. Johnson
>> On 2011-04-12, Garmt de Vries wrote:
>>
>> > On Apr 11, 1:38?pm, Dan Tilque <dtil...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> >> There were 18 entrants in this contest. Not bad for my first time.
>> ...
>> >> 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
>> >> considered to be pieces in chess.
>>
>> >> ? 3 rook (=castle)
>>
>> > Since you asked for the name rather than the piece itself, you
>> > shouldn't treat rook and castle as equivalent answers.
>>
>
> Wordnet:
> S: (n) castle, rook ((chess) the piece that can move any number of
> unoccupied squares in a direction parallel to the sides of the
> chessboard)
Chess is defined by the FIDE rules, not by any dictionary. And
wordnet is the worst of all the online dictionaries.
>> > I specifically looked for a less common term for a chess piece. I'm
>> > surprised nobody answered minister or horse.
>>
>> ? Nor is there one called a minister or horse.
>
> According to Wordnet, "horse" is a synonym of "knight".
See above.
Peter Smyth
"Dan Tilque" <dti...@frontier.com> wrote in message
news:io0h9h$bal$1...@dont-email.me...
By the way, I wrote a story about the USA declaring war on the Dominican
Republic because they had started using niobium coins. So I think that
makes me the winner :-)
Peter Smyth
Erland Sommarskog
> Chess is defined by the FIDE rules, not by any dictionary. And
> wordnet is the worst of all the online dictionaries.
English, and very apparently "castle" is one.
To Garmt's three entries, I can that my Swedish-English dictionary for
"torn" gives the translations "castle, rook".
Mark Brader
> > Chess is defined by the FIDE rules, not by any dictionary.
Erland Sommarskog:
> Dan did not give any reference to FIDE, did he?
No, but he referred to chess, so that could be considered implicit.
On the other hand, he also stated that pawns do not count as pieces,
which is contrary to FIDE terminology.
> He asked for a name used in English, and very apparently "castle" is one.
As John Gerson noted in another branch of the thread, he actually
asked for "*the* English name", which could reasonably be read as
implying that only one name would be accepted for each piece.
My opinion is that "castle" should be scored as a wrong answer but
still counted against "rook" in the scoring (under the policy decision
that I posted on May 1, but still managed not to incorporate into the
official rules in the one contest I've posted since then).
And my opinion is also that Dan's opinion is the only one that matters.
--
Mark Brader "'A matter of opinion'[?] I have to say you are
Toronto right. There['s] your opinion, which is wrong,
m...@vex.net and mine, which is right." -- Gene Ward Smith
Chris F.A. Johnson
> Chris Johnson:
>> > Chess is defined by the FIDE rules, not by any dictionary.
>
> Erland Sommarskog:
>> Dan did not give any reference to FIDE, did he?
>
> No, but he referred to chess, so that could be considered implicit.
> On the other hand, he also stated that pawns do not count as pieces,
> which is contrary to FIDE terminology.
In chess parlance, pawns are *not* pieces.
(Gotta run -- I'm off to a chess meet-up.)
Calvin
<cfajo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-04-12, Mark Brader wrote:
>> Chris Johnson:
>>> > Chess is defined by the FIDE rules, not by any dictionary.
>>
>> Erland Sommarskog:
>>> Dan did not give any reference to FIDE, did he?
>>
>> No, but he referred to chess, so that could be considered implicit.
>> On the other hand, he also stated that pawns do not count as pieces,
>> which is contrary to FIDE terminology.
>
> In chess parlance, pawns are *not* pieces.
Neither is the King by that definition.
--
cheers,
calvin
gerson
"Dan Tilque" <dti...@frontier.com> wrote
> 7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that "goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in
> the scoring of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
>
> 1 netball
google
netball goalkeeper
shows "netball" actually does have a goalkeeper !
Dan Tilque
You're right. The only thing I knew about netball was that it was sort
of a variant of basketball. So I figured it had roughly the same
positions. This, it turns out, is incorrect.
As far as the other issue, I've decided that all synonyms of names will
be treated as correct but different. This will only apply to this
contest. I'll have a new rule for them on the next one.
I'll have an updated scoring soon.
--
Dan Tilque
Dan Tilque
1. When an item asked for a name, all synonyms are considered correct
but different. This changed #0, #3, and #9.
2. Non-Western chess pieces are wrong on #3.
3. Netball is a wrong answer on #7.
Alan Curry and John Gerson are still in first and second places, but
Mark Brader is now tied for 3rd with Nick Selwyn.
Read in monospaced font to get proper alignment.
ALAN CURRY JOHN GERSON
0 Venus 0 Mars
1 zinc 1 iron
2 Sea of Sardinia 2 Sea of Sicily
3 bishop 3 king
4 Spain 4 Hungary
5 New Ireland Province 5 Paraná
6 John C. Calhoun 6 Thomas Jefferson
7 Skee-ball 7 archery
8 mountain lion 8 painter
9 brass knuckles 9 copper (boiler)
NICK SELWYN MARK BRADER
0 Venus 0 Venus
1 nickel 1 silver
2 Sea of Crisis 2 Sea of Azov
3 knight 3 rook
4 UK 4 Spain
5 Papua New Guinea 5 Simbu, Papua New Guinea
6 Grover Cleveland 6 Thomas Jefferson
7 rugby 7 Canadian football
8 catamount 8 panther
9 steel (flint &) 9 branding iron
Here's the complete table of scores. Those with * following their names
have changed scores.
Total Q0 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q5 Q6 Q7 Q8 Q9
160 4 2 1 5 2 1 1 1 2 1 Alan Curry
216 1 3 1 3 2 2 3 1 1 2 John Gerson
288 4 1 1 3 2 1 1 3 4 1 Nick Selwyn
288 4 1 4 1 2 1 3 1 3 1 Mark Brader *
384 3 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 Garmt de Vries *
480 1 2 1 3 2 1 2 2 5 2 Calvin
800 1 2 4 1 2 5 1 1 W 1 Roy (rthe...@hotmail.com) *
1536 4 2 1 3 2 2 2 2 4 1 Lieven Marchand *
1536 W 3 1 2 2 1 2 2 4 1 Sam Buttrey *
1800 1 W 1 5 W 2 1 1 5 1 Peter Smyth
4800 4 1 4 3 2 5 2 1 5 1 Haran Pilpel
5400 4 3 1 3 2 5 1 3 5 1 Joseph P *
5760 W 3 4 5 1 1 1 W 1 2 Erland Sommarskog *
6480 4 W 1 3 3 5 1 2 3 1 Kevin Stone *
14580 3 W 1 5 3 2 1 3 3 3 Rob Parker
23040 4 2 1 3 2 5 2 W 4 2 Bruce Bowler *
24300 3 3 1 5 3 2 W 3 5 1 Lejonel Norling
43200 W 3 1 W 1 W 3 1 1 W Stephen Perry *
Only the scoring for items 0, 3, 7, and 9 changed, but I'll include them
all for your convenience.
0. Name a Solar System body that a spacecraft has orbited.
4 Earth
4 Venus
3 Saturn
1 Mars
1 Moon
1 Sun
1 Terra
Wrong
1 Io
1 Titan
1 Vesta
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Give a chemical element that is an intentional constituent of a coin
issued by a national government since 1950. The coin must have been
issued for circulation, not for collectors or investment purposes.
'Intentional' is meant to rule out various trace elements that are
virtually impossible to remove from metal; the element must be one that
is desired by the makers to be in the coin. Yapese Rai stones, which are
sometimes called coins, are excluded from this question.
3 aluminum
3 iron
2 carbon
2 copper
2 zinc
1 chromium
1 nickel
1 silver
Wrong
1 lead
1 niobium
1 ruthenium
------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. Give the name of a cartographic feature whose English name is of the
form "Sea of Xxxx".
4 Sea of Azov
1 Sea of Crete
1 Sea of Crisis
1 Sea of Galilee
1 Sea of Marmara
1 Sea of Moisture (Mare Humorum)
1 Sea of Muscovy
1 Sea of Okhotsk
1 Sea of Oman
1 Sea of Rhûn
1 Sea of Sardinia
1 Sea of Showers
1 Sea of Sicily
1 Sea of Vapours
1 Sea of William Henry Smith
------------------------------------------------------------------------
3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
considered to be pieces in chess.
5 bishop
3 king
3 knight
+ 1 white queen's knight
3 queen
2 castle
1 rook
Wrong
1 elephant
------------------------------------------------------------------------
4. Name a country the United States has officially declared war on.
3 Italy
2 Austria-Hungary
2 Bulgaria
2 Hungary
2 Japan
2 Spain
2 United Kingdom
1 Germany
1 Romania
Wrong
1 Dominican Republic
------------------------------------------------------------------------
5. Name a country or state/province whose official flag contains an
asterism. That is, it has an arrangement of stars which intentionally
mimics that of a star pattern in the sky.
5 New Zealand
2 Australia
2 Paraná, Brazil
2 Victoria, Australia
1 Alaska, USA
1 New Ireland Province, Papua New Guinea
1 Niue
1 Papua New Guinea
1 Simbu, Papua New Guinea
1 Tierra del Fuego, Antárida y las Islas del Atlántico Sur, Argentina
Wrong
1 Tuvalu
------------------------------------------------------------------------
6. Name a US President or Vice President whom a city was named after.
The city must have a population of at least 10,000.
[The largest city named after the person is in parens after the name.]
3 Thomas Jefferson (Jefferson City MO)
2 Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln NE)
2 James Monroe (Monrovia, Liberia)
2 John Tyler (Tyler TX)
1 John Quincy Adams (Quincy IL)
1 John C Calhoun (Calhoun GA)
1 Grover Cleveland (Cleveland MS)
1 Andrew Jackson (Jacksonville FL)
1 William McKinley (McKinleyville CA)
1 William Howard Taft (Taft, Eastern Samar, Philippines)
1 Martin van Buren (Van Buren AR)
1 George Washington (Washington DC)
Wrong
1 Mariano Acosta (Vice President of Argentina)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that
"goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in the scoring
of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
3 Australian Rules football
3 rugby
+ 2 union rugby
+ + 1 rugby sevens
2 korfball
2 polo
1 archery
1 beach basketball
1 Canadian football
1 hurling
1 Skeeball
1 wheelchair rugby league
Wrong
1 golf
1 netball (has goalkeeper)
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8. Give a common (uncapitalized) English term which is sometimes used to
refer to Puma concolor (a.k.a. Felis concolor). The term may be either
single word or multiple word, but terms that differ from each other only
by minor spelling variation, spaces, hyphens, apostrophes, or other
punctuation will be considered the same.
5 puma
4 catamount
3 panther
2 mountain lion
1 devil cat
1 mountain cat
1 painter
Wrong
1 Indian devil (capitalized term)
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9. Some things get their name from the material they are (or were)
typically made from. Examples are drinking glasses and eyeglasses (even
though eyeglasses are now usually made from acrylic). Name something of
this category where the material is some sort of metal.
3 copper
+ 2 copper (vessel for doing laundry)
2 tin can
1 branding iron
1 brass knuckles
1 copperplate
1 flat iron
1 iron maiden
1 irons (golf clubs)
1 lead pencil
1 nickel (coin)
1 steel (flint and steel)
1 tin
1 tin-tack
1 waffle iron
Wrong
1 copper bottom deal
--
Dan Tilque
Peter Ward
>
> gerson wrote:
> > "Dan Tilque" <dti...@frontier.com> wrote
> >
> >> 7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that "goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in
> >> the scoring of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
> >>
> >> 1 netball
> >
> > netball goalkeeper
> >
> > shows "netball" actually does have a goalkeeper !
> >
>
> You're right. The only thing I knew about netball was that it was sort
> of a variant of basketball. So I figured it had roughly the same
> positions. This, it turns out, is incorrect.
The netball "goalkeeper" is merely a position, which happens to allow
the player in the scoring ring at the defensive end. Goalkeeper and
goal defence have similar rôles. Anyway, I wouldn't allow netball as
correct if it were my competition, as the GK isn't defending the goal
specifically, just trying to stop players getting a chance at goal in
the first place, like any defender.
--
Peter, from outside the asylum
I'm an alien
email: usenet at peterward dot adsl24 dot co dot uk
http://blowinsmoke.wordpress.com/
Usenet, where arguing about pig slops can take on religious import.
- Lee Ayrton
Peter Ward
>
> Dan Tilque says...
> >
> > gerson wrote:
> > > "Dan Tilque" <dti...@frontier.com> wrote
> > >
> > >> 7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that "goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in
> > >> the scoring of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
> > >>
> > >> 1 netball
> > >
> > > netball goalkeeper
> > >
> > > shows "netball" actually does have a goalkeeper !
> > >
> >
> > You're right. The only thing I knew about netball was that it was sort
> > of a variant of basketball. So I figured it had roughly the same
> > positions. This, it turns out, is incorrect.
>
> The netball "goalkeeper" is merely a position, which happens to allow
> the player in the scoring ring at the defensive end. Goalkeeper and
> goal defence have similar rôles. Anyway, I wouldn't allow netball as
> correct if it were my competition, as the GK isn't defending the goal
> specifically, just trying to stop players getting a chance at goal in
> the first place, like any defender.
I confused myself - netball is correct, not wrong. No goalkeeper as
such.
--
Peter, from outside the asylum
I'm an alien
email: usenet at peterward dot adsl24 dot co dot uk
http://blowinsmoke.wordpress.com/
It's more complicated than you think. This is true of all things.
- Joseph Nebus
wottawoppa
> Peter Ward says...
>>
>> Dan Tilque says...
>> >
>> > gerson wrote:
>> > > "Dan Tilque" <dti...@frontier.com> wrote
>> > >
>> > >> 7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note
>> > >> that "goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in
>> > >> the scoring of points for the game, not as a synonym of
>> > >> "objective".
>> > >>
>> > >> 1 netball
>> > >
>> > > google
>> > > netball goalkeeper
>> > >
>> > > shows "netball" actually does have a goalkeeper !
>> > >
>> > >
>> > You're right. The only thing I knew about netball was that it was
>> > sort of a variant of basketball. So I figured it had roughly the same
>> > positions. This, it turns out, is incorrect.
>>
>> The netball "goalkeeper" is merely a position, which happens to allow
>> the player in the scoring ring at the defensive end. Goalkeeper and
>> goal defence have similar rôles. Anyway, I wouldn't allow netball as
>> correct if it were my competition, as the GK isn't defending the goal
>> specifically, just trying to stop players getting a chance at goal in
>> the first place, like any defender.
>
> I confused myself - netball is correct, not wrong. No goalkeeper as
> such.
On this basis Australian Rules Football would also be correct. Although
there is a position of "Fullback", there is no position or player with
specific responsibility for tending the goal as in say, soccer. Instead
any and all players share this responsibility.
Just a statement. Do not wish to argue the point. It is hard enough to
run these contests without having to debate / argue / arbitrate answers.
Many thanks Dan for an interesting competition.
JP
Bruce Bowler
typed:
Damn... Missed that. Please do the same for "hurling goalkeeper"...
Bruce
gerson
"Peter Ward" wrote
>
> Dan Tilque says...
> >
> > gerson wrote:
> > > "Dan Tilque" <dti...@frontier.com> wrote
> > >
> > >> 7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that "goal" here refers to a stationary physical object
> > >> used in
> > >> the scoring of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
> > >>
> > >> 1 netball
> > >
> > > netball goalkeeper
> > >
> > > shows "netball" actually does have a goalkeeper !
> > >
> >
> > You're right. The only thing I knew about netball was that it was sort
> > of a variant of basketball. So I figured it had roughly the same
> > positions. This, it turns out, is incorrect.
>
> The netball "goalkeeper" is merely a position, which happens to allow
> the player in the scoring ring at the defensive end. Goalkeeper and
> goal defence have similar rôles. Anyway, I wouldn't allow netball as
> correct if it were my competition, as the GK isn't defending the goal
> specifically, just trying to stop players getting a chance at goal in
> the first place, like any defender.
> I confused myself - netball is correct, not wrong. No goalkeeper as
> such.
- hmm, so this means that the "goalkeeper" (so called that) in netball isn't a
goalkeeper at all because the role referred to isn't that of keeping the goal,
but just of acting in goal defence. Can we wonder then what the role of the
"goalkeeper" in soccer is; isn't it acting in goal defence too. Starting to look
tricky. As in what's in a word. I think if they're called goalkeepers you have
to think that ought to be good enough. Maybe ask the caterpillar.
Peter Ward
In games like football, the goalkeeper has special privileges, such as
being allowed to handle the ball within the penalty area. I'm not sure
exactly what special rules apply to an ice hockey keeper, but he doesn't
take the same part in the play as the rest of the team, it seems to me.
The netball position of goalkeeper is a position like all the others, it
happens to be one of two positions around the goal being defended.
Just my view. It's a tricky point.
--
Peter, from outside the asylum
I'm an alien
email: usenet at peterward dot adsl24 dot co dot uk
http://blowinsmoke.wordpress.com/
Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to
find easier ways to do something.
- Robert Heinlein
Calvin
>> The netball "goalkeeper" is merely a position, which happens to allow
>> the player in the scoring ring at the defensive end. Goalkeeper and
>> goal defence have similar rôles. Anyway, I wouldn't allow netball as
>> correct if it were my competition, as the GK isn't defending the goal
>> specifically, just trying to stop players getting a chance at goal in
>> the first place, like any defender.
>
> I confused myself - netball is correct, not wrong. No goalkeeper as
> such.
There is a position called goalkeeper who plays in the last line of
defence. Only one way to interpret that.
--
cheers,
calvin
Rich Grise
> On 2011-04-12, Mark Brader wrote:
>> Chris Johnson:
>>> > Chess is defined by the FIDE rules, not by any dictionary.
>>
>> Erland Sommarskog:
>>> Dan did not give any reference to FIDE, did he?
>>
>> No, but he referred to chess, so that could be considered implicit.
>> On the other hand, he also stated that pawns do not count as pieces,
>> which is contrary to FIDE terminology.
>
> In chess parlance, pawns are *not* pieces.
>
Thanks,
Rich
Dan Tilque
I agree. It doesn't matter what, if any, special privileges or rules
govern the position. If they're called a goalkeeper, they're a goalkeeper.
Bruce Bowler wrote
> Damn... Missed that. Please do the same for "hurling goalkeeper"...
Right. Hurling is wrong too. I'd post corrected scores, but the person
who answered hurling is already in last place. His score is
stratospheric enough as is.
--
Dan Tilque
Calvin
wrote:
> Right. Hurling is wrong too. I'd post corrected scores, but the person
> who answered hurling is already in last place. His score is
> stratospheric enough as is.
Name and shame :-)
--
cheers,
calvin
Chris F.A. Johnson
In chess parlance, all the chessmen except the pawns are pieces.
The king is not a pawn, therefore it is a piece.
Mark Brader
>>>>>> Chess is defined by the FIDE rules, not by any dictionary.
Erland Sommarskog:
>>>>> Dan did not give any reference to FIDE, did he?
Mark Brader:
>>>> No, but he referred to chess, so that could be considered implicit.
>>>> On the other hand, he also stated that pawns do not count as pieces,
>>>> which is contrary to FIDE terminology.
Chris Johnson:
>>> In chess parlance, pawns are *not* pieces.
> In chess parlance, all the chessmen except the pawns are pieces.
Yet, as I said, the FIDE rules -- which you were the one to cite --
disagree.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "If we gave people a choice, there would be chaos."
m...@vex.net | -- Dick McDonald
Calvin
<cfajo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-04-12, Calvin wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:42:12 +1000, Chris F.A. Johnson
>> <cfajo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2011-04-12, Mark Brader wrote:
>>>> Chris Johnson:
>>>>> > Chess is defined by the FIDE rules, not by any dictionary.
>>>>
>>>> Erland Sommarskog:
>>>>> Dan did not give any reference to FIDE, did he?
>>>>
>>>> No, but he referred to chess, so that could be considered implicit.
>>>> On the other hand, he also stated that pawns do not count as pieces,
>>>> which is contrary to FIDE terminology.
>>>
>>> In chess parlance, pawns are *not* pieces.
>>
>> Neither is the King by that definition.
>
> In chess parlance, all the chessmen except the pawns are pieces.
> The king is not a pawn, therefore it is a piece.
As Mark says, according to the rules they are all pieces. Now if you
prefer to go with "chess parlance" then fine, but that means knights and
bishops are minor pieces, the rooks and queen are major pieces, and the
king is none of the above. So the king can only be considered a piece in
the same sense that a pawn is.
--
cheers,
calvin
Dan Tilque
>
> As Mark says, according to the rules they are all pieces. Now if you
> prefer to go with "chess parlance" then fine, but that means knights and
> bishops are minor pieces, the rooks and queen are major pieces, and the
> king is none of the above. So the king can only be considered a piece in
> the same sense that a pawn is.
>
They're all pieces, but pawns are dwarf pieces.
--
Dan Tilque
Mark Brader
> > As Mark says, according to the rules they are all pieces. Now if you
> > prefer to go with "chess parlance" then fine, but that means knights and
> > bishops are minor pieces, the rooks and queen are major pieces, and the
> > king is none of the above. So the king can only be considered a piece in
> > the same sense that a pawn is.
> They're all pieces, but pawns are dwarf pieces.
Politically incorrect! You mean little people pieces.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Dr. Slipher, I have found your Planet X."
m...@vex.net -- Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97), 1930-02-18
Dan Tilque
> "Calvin":
>>> As Mark says, according to the rules they are all pieces. Now if you
>>> prefer to go with "chess parlance" then fine, but that means knights and
>>> bishops are minor pieces, the rooks and queen are major pieces, and the
>>> king is none of the above. So the king can only be considered a piece in
>>> the same sense that a pawn is.
>
> Dan Tilque writes:
>> They're all pieces, but pawns are dwarf pieces.
>
> Politically incorrect! You mean little people pieces.
Altitudinally-challenged pieces, please.
> Mark Brader, Toronto "Dr. Slipher, I have found your Planet X."
> m...@vex.net -- Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97), 1930-02-18
Was this quote a lucky coincidence or did you insert it deliberately?
--
Dan Tilque -- Pluto is not a real planet; it's a dog planet.
Mark Brader
> Altitudinally-challenged pieces, please.
Grin.
> > Mark Brader, Toronto "Dr. Slipher, I have found your Planet X."
> > m...@vex.net -- Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97), 1930-02-18
>
> Was this quote a lucky coincidence or did you insert it deliberately?
Deliberate, on the off-chance you thought I wasn't getting the joke.
--
Mark Brader | "It seems my sense of humour is out of step
Toronto | not only with rec.puzzles, but with reality itself."
m...@vex.net | --Richard Heathfield
humunculus
> On 2011-04-12, Garmt de Vries wrote:
>
> > On Apr 11, 1:38?pm, Dan Tilque <dtil...@frontier.com> wrote:
> >> There were 18 entrants in this contest. Not bad for my first time.
> ...
> >> 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
> >> considered to be pieces in chess.
>
>
> > Since you asked for the name rather than the piece itself, you
> > shouldn't treat rook and castle as equivalent answers.
>
> There is no chess piece called a castle.
>
> > I specifically looked for a less common term for a chess piece. I'm
> > surprised nobody answered minister or horse.
>
> Nor is there one called a minister or horse.
>
> --
> Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfajohnson.com>
> Author: =======================
> Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress)
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Hmm, that brings up a point. When you say "Give a name....", who is
the determining body that the name is legitimate? I have seen plenty
of kids refer to the rook as a 'castle', or the knight as 'the horse'.
Should there be a ruling that 'names' must be recognized as 'official'
by some sort of 'officiating body'? And for that matter, what about
names used in different languages....would you accept 'Le Roi' for
'the King', for example?
--riverman
Erland Sommarskog
> Hmm, that brings up a point. When you say "Give a name....", who is
> the determining body that the name is legitimate? I have seen plenty
> of kids refer to the rook as a 'castle', or the knight as 'the horse'.
> Should there be a ruling that 'names' must be recognized as 'official'
> by some sort of 'officiating body'? And for that matter, what about
> names used in different languages....would you accept 'Le Roi' for
> 'the King', for example?
in other languages.
What is more problematic is the use of "the". Mark would have written "Name
a chess piece", if he wanted us to choose between the chess pieces. Had he
wanted us to choose between the possible names he would have written "Give
an English name for a chess piece". "The English name" would indicate that
there is one definitive name but as the thread has shown.
Jeffrey Turner
> This is my first attempt at a Rare Entries contest. The rules will
> follow those of Mark's games with one exception, which I'll get to later.
>
>
>
> As usual, reply ONLY BY EMAIL to dti...@frontier.com DO NOT post
> answers to this newsgroup. Anyone who does will be disqualified.
>
> Entries must reach here by Sunday, April 10, 2011 (Pacific Daylight
> Time, UTC -7).
>
>
> Do not include any of the text from this posting with your answers. Just
> send a list of your answers numbered from 0 through 9. Make sure that
> the subject line includes the string "DJT01".
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 0. Name a Solar System body that a spacecraft has orbited.
Sun
> 1. Give a chemical element that is an intentional constituent of a coin
> issued by a national government since 1950. The coin must have been
> issued for circulation, not for collectors or investment purposes.
> "Intentional" is meant to rule out various trace elements that are
> virtually impossible to remove from metal; the element must be one that
> is desired by the makers to be in the coin. Yapese Rai stones, which are
> sometimes called coins, are excluded from this question.
Zinc
> 2. Give the name of a cartographic feature whose English name is of the
> form "Sea of Xxxx".
Sea of Storms
> 3. Give the English name for a chess piece. Note that pawns are not
> considered to be pieces in chess.
Queen
> 4. Name a country the United States has officially declared war on.
Austria-Hungary
> 5. Name a country or state/province whose official flag contains an
> asterism. That is, it has an arrangement of stars which intentionally
> mimics that of a star pattern in the sky.
Alaska
> 6. Name a US President or Vice President whom a city was named after.
> The city must have a population of at least 10,000.
Jackson
> 7. Name an organized sport that has goals but no goalkeepers. Note that
> "goal" here refers to a stationary physical object used in the scoring
> of points for the game, not as a synonym of "objective".
Rugby
> 8. Give a common (uncapitalized) English term which is sometimes used to
> refer to Puma concolor (a.k.a. Felis concolor). The term may be either
> single word or multiple word, but terms that differ from each other only
> by minor spelling variation, spaces, hyphens, apostrophes, or other
> punctuation will be considered the same.
whitish
> 9. Some things get their name from the material they are (or were)
> typically made from. Examples are drinking glasses and eyeglasses (even
> though eyeglasses are now usually made from acrylic). Name something of
> this category where the material is some sort of metal.
iron horse
--Jeff
--
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Power to protect money.
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