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Lucraneo

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May 17, 2008, 10:18:38 AM5/17/08
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Can a creature that "cannot be the TARGET of spells or abilities" only
be affected if the spell or ability states the word "target"?

So my opponent CAN put "Nettling Curse" on my "Pincher Beetles"?

David DeLaney

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May 17, 2008, 12:39:55 PM5/17/08
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On Sat, 17 May 2008 07:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Lucraneo <lucr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Can a creature that "cannot be the TARGET of spells or abilities" only
>be affected if the spell or ability states the word "target"?

Well, that or if it's an Aura spell; Aura spells automatically target the
object they'll be enchanting once they're in play. All other targetted spells
and abilities say "target" in their Oracle text somewhere.

>So my opponent CAN put "Nettling Curse" on my "Pincher Beetles"?

Nettling Curse is an Enchantment - Aura spell, with the Enchant Creature
ability. So when cast as a spell, it must target a creature, so can't possibly
target your Pincher Beetles, because they can't be the target of spells or
abilities. You'll have to pick a creature that's legal to target with the
Nettling Curse spell, or you won't be able to cast it.

Dave
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Daniel W. Johnson

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May 17, 2008, 4:21:43 PM5/17/08
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Lucraneo <lucr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Can a creature that "cannot be the TARGET of spells or abilities" only
> be affected if the spell or ability states the word "target"?

Target
Whenever the phrase "target [something]," where [something] is a phrase
that describes an object, player, or zone, appears in a spell or
ability, the controller of the spell or ability chooses something that
matches whatever follows that word. The choice of a spell or ability's
targets is made when the spell or ability is played. See rule 415,
"Targeted Spells and Abilities."
An instant or sorcery is targeted if the text that will be followed
when it resolves uses the phrase "target [something]," where the
"something" is a phrase that describes an object, player, or zone. (If
an activated or triggered ability of an instant or sorcery uses the word
target, that ability is targeted, but the spell is not.)
An activated or triggered ability is targeted if it uses the phrase
"target [something]," where the "something" is a phrase that describes
an object, player, or zone.
Aura spells are targeted, and their target is specified by their
"enchant" abilities. They target the object or player they will enchant.
(See rule 415.3.) An Aura permanent doesn't target anything.
Neither Equipment spells nor Equipment permanents are targeted. The
same is true for Fortification spells and Fortification permanents. (See
rule 415.3.) An Equipment or a Fortification may have abilities which
are targeted.
A spell or ability on the stack can't target itself.
A spell that targets the same object, player, or zone more than
once isn't a "spell with a single target."

> So my opponent CAN put "Nettling Curse" on my "Pincher Beetles"?

Not easily. Pincher Beetles can not be the target of a Nettling Curse
spell.

212.4e An Aura spell requires a target, which is restricted by its
enchant ability.
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Zoe Stephenson

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May 18, 2008, 4:44:30 PM5/18/08
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Lucraneo <lucr...@yahoo.com> sent:

> Can a creature that "cannot be the TARGET of spells or abilities" only
> be affected if the spell or ability states the word "target"?

> So my opponent CAN put "Nettling Curse" on my "Pincher Beetles"?

The cards in question:

Nettling Curse {2}{B} Enchantment - Aura
/ Enchant creature
/ Whenever enchanted creature attacks or blocks, its controller loses 3
life.
/ {1}{R}: Enchanted creature attacks this turn if able.

Pincher Beetles {2}{G} Creature - Insect 3/1
/ Shroud (This creature can't be the target of spells or abilities.)

And the relevant rule:

212.4e An Aura spell requires a target, which is restricted by its
enchant ability.

There are two stages to think about with spells that become
permanents. Firstly, the card goes from your hand to the stack, you
select any targets, and it becomes a spell. Once everyone's done
responding to the spell, it resolves and puts itself into play as a
permanent. Normally, a spell that's going to become a permanent
doesn't have any targets, but Auras are special. They have a target
while they're spells on the stack, and the target is restricted by the
enchant type. When the spell resolves, it puts itself into play
attached to whatever it targeted.

So, long story short, the opponent can't play the Nettling Curse
targeting the Pincher Beetles.

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