Drew Tucker Art (Was Re: Fallen Empires: What's the deal?)
Rod Shelton
>
> How old are you guys? Sounds like 7 or 8 max.
> The great thing about the MTG art is that all of the artists are different.
> You are simply echoing your immaturity by not allowing yourself to
> appreciate the different perspectives of the artists.
>
> Tucker's art is some of the most expressive of the MTG collection.
> But at the same time it doesn't lock you into such a restrictive visual
> identity for the cards. It lets you use your imagination a bit.
> But then again, you probably watch MTV (not MTG) all day.
>
> :-)
I don't know about them, but I'm 28. Don't watch MTV all day. And
absolutely *HATE* Tucker's artwork.
I just don't feel it is appropriate for MTG, most often his stuff looks
like he threw some ink/paint (whatever) on a canvas and that's it. No
thought or form to what the card says.
I will admit that I don't like *ANY* abstract art, I prefer work by Elmore,
the Foglio's, Hoover, Madocks, Weber, etc...
Art that more or less realisticaly captures what the card is about.
I couldn't be happier if Tucker when the way of Justin Hampton.
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Roberto Ullfig
It's all just a matter of taste. I myself like Tucker's impressionistic
style and would like to see more of it.
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Jeffrey Davi Verzak
Rod Shelton <ros...@faerun.mi.org> wrote:
>I don't know about them, but I'm 28. Don't watch MTV all day. And
>absolutely *HATE* Tucker's artwork.
>
>I just don't feel it is appropriate for MTG, most often his stuff looks
>like he threw some ink/paint (whatever) on a canvas and that's it. No
>thought or form to what the card says.
>
>I will admit that I don't like *ANY* abstract art, I prefer work by Elmore,
>the Foglio's, Hoover, Madocks, Weber, etc...
>
>Art that more or less realisticaly captures what the card is about.
>
>I couldn't be happier if Tucker when the way of Justin Hampton.
That's pretty sad, because I think that if your going to call it "art"
then you should have more than some illustrative piece of Elmorian oils
to look at. If you think that all Tucker did was throw paint at a
canvas, then perhaps you should go out, buy some paint and canvases and
sell _your_ stuff to WotC and see if they buy it. As it is, I remeber
hearing about how all the so called art critics hated impressionism when
it first came to being because they were all staring at Baroque paintings
from the last 25 years. How many people call impressionism trash today?
+Jeff
Jeff Scott Franzmann
>I don't know about them, but I'm 28. Don't watch MTV all day. And
>absolutely *HATE* Tucker's artwork.
Well, I'm 21, ca't stand eMpTyV (which, thankfully, we don't get in
Manitoba), and *LOVE* Tucker's artwork. Primary difference between
Tucker and Hampton is that while you may not like Tucker's style,
at least he's GOOD at that style of work. Hampton just sucked.
>I just don't feel it is appropriate for MTG, most often his stuff looks
>like he threw some ink/paint (whatever) on a canvas and that's it. No
>thought or form to what the card says.
Some of this, I agree with. Clockwork Beast comes to mind, as does
Nexrite. However, take a look at Murk Dwellers, or even
Repentant Blacksmith (two of the most outstanding cards, artwise, IMHO).
As for the ink/pain comment...watercolour is not something which has
often (or ever, to my knowledge) been used in the 'fantasy' genre, in
the manner which Tucker has done.
>I will admit that I don't like *ANY* abstract art, I prefer work by Elmore,
>the Foglio's, Hoover, Madocks, Weber, etc...
Actually, while I like art by each and every one of these artists (they're
all on my top artist lists :)), I prefer to see some variation...if
you look at Elmore, Maddocks and Tedin, they all have the same STYLE of
artwork. The Foglios have a somewhat different style, which is refreshing,
as does Weber. I like Tucker's work not only because I think it is
good, but because it's something different.
>Art that more or less realisticaly captures what the card is about.
>
>I couldn't be happier if Tucker when the way of Justin Hampton.
Hoping it won't happen. Unlike Hampton, Tucker has fans :).
Sincerely,
Jeff Franzmann
--
Aaron Mandelbaum
>As it is, I remeber
>hearing about how all the so called art critics hated impressionism when
>it first came to being because they were all staring at Baroque paintings
>from the last 25 years. How many people call impressionism trash today?
[raises hand]
That's one, any others? :)
Actually, I like Drew's work on certain cards (like Ashes to Ashes, and Murk
Dwellers (did he do that one?)) but most of his FE stuff (read: the
creatures) really blows. Not as bad as some of the other crap (the wading
vodalian mage, or the mindstab thrull with the bomb, or the goblin grenade
with the *dwarf* on it [sigh], or the levitating Combat Medic, or the
Quinton Hoover Homarid [blech!]...), but pretty bad.
--
Aaron Mandelbaum
Joseph William Dixon
like it. *shrug* When I look at it I see a huge creature made of
scrap-metal lumbering along [moving like "stop motion" animation - real
jerky and haphazard] in a cloud of its own oily fumes. I think it
captures the essence and the mood of the Beast quite well...
Now, if we must dis one of Drew's pieces, then perhaps we should tear
apart Power Leak... :)
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David Mar
>I don't know about them, but I'm 28. Don't watch MTV all day. And
>absolutely *HATE* Tucker's artwork.
Hating anyone's artwork is a personal preference. I won't begrudge
that of anyone. Me, I like Tucker's work. One of my favourite MtG
artists, if not _the_ favourite.
>I just don't feel it is appropriate for MTG, most often his stuff looks
>like he threw some ink/paint (whatever) on a canvas and that's it. No
>thought or form to what the card says.
Well, Tucker does watercolours, which involve paint and specially
prepared paper, not canvas. And I would be prepared to say he does
put considerable thought into his work. Not liking his art is okay,
but don't accuse the man of being incompetent.
>I will admit that I don't like *ANY* abstract art, I prefer work by Elmore,
>the Foglio's, Hoover, Madocks, Weber, etc...
Um... Tucker's art is not abstract. His pictures are clearly
respresentational. Abstract art does not purport to represent
any recognisable objects.
>Art that more or less realisticaly captures what the card is about.
Fair enough as a preference. But some people prefer less realistic
representations, where the artist provides a challenge to one's
interpretation of the picture, or where the colour tones or textures
become important in conveying the feel of the work as well as just the
representational value.
There are many styles of art. The strictest representational art
approaches photographic quality, and there are examples of MtG
cards which, at first glance, could be mistaken for photos (Sisters
of the Flame comes to mind). This requires considerable skill, but
I'd hate to see WotC restrict their art choices along realism
lines. A good cross-section of artistic styles is nice.
In fact, I'd really like to see some purely abstract art on cards
in the future! (If you're listening, Tom...) Blue Ward perhaps comes
closest (of the cards I've seen) so far.
- David Mar.
m...@physics.su.oz.au http://www.physics.su.oz.au/~mar/dm.html
Astrophysics Department, University of Sydney NSW 2006, Australia.
Andy Whitfield
like to see. The fact, however, is that I don't much care for his stuff
(Ashes to Ashes was cool though). But there's no point in arguing over it
considering it's all a matter of taste. So let's have a truce. To quote
somebody or another, "Can't we all just get along?" =)
--
Malificent - Archwizard of the Northern Lights...
"So, Lone Star, now you see Evil will always triumph because Good is dumb..."
- Dark Helmut, from Spaceballs
Jeffrey John Pawlik
Can walls block more than one creature at a time? Let's say you have a
0/8 wall.. Two 1/1 creatures attack. Can this wall block both of these
creatures?
I read someones post who said that you cannot attack one of your own
creatures, or yourself. Can a Tim ping one of your creatures, if he has
an enchantment that you don't quite approve of? And also, can you use
demonic Hordes to destroy your own lands, to keep from taking points from
cursed land, or Karma, or the such?
also,
Ok, i have an example of another situation.
Lets say you have two Tim's out. YOur opponent has a Serra Angel out.
Can the person tap both of his Tim's at the end of the persons turn,
doing 2 pts. of damage to the Serra, and then at the begginning of the
turn take the serra out with the other two points? I think that the
creature regenerates it's life at the end of the turn. I'm so confused..
Jeff Pawlik
Kevin Edward Laporte
: In article <9411281200...@faerun.mi.org> ros...@faerun.mi.org writes:
: Well, I'm 21, ca't stand eMpTyV (which, thankfully, we don't get in
: Manitoba), and *LOVE* Tucker's artwork. Primary difference between
: Tucker and Hampton is that while you may not like Tucker's style,
: at least he's GOOD at that style of work. Hampton just sucked.
: As for the ink/pain comment...watercolour is not something which has
: often (or ever, to my knowledge) been used in the 'fantasy' genre, in
: the manner which Tucker has done.
: Actually, while I like art by each and every one of these artists (they're
: all on my top artist lists :)), I prefer to see some variation...if
: you look at Elmore, Maddocks and Tedin, they all have the same STYLE of
: artwork. The Foglios have a somewhat different style, which is refreshing,
: as does Weber. I like Tucker's work not only because I think it is
: good, but because it's something different.
I agree with everything up to this point. Mark Tedin is as rugged an individualist as Tucker is, just in a different style. Maddocks and Elmore are more
along the "classically unclassical" lines...more realistic, more logical.
Tedin seems more Gigeresque, more bio-mechanical. Not that thishas any relevanceto the thread at all, but I've wanted to say it for a long time (Tedin is my
favourite artist.)i
: >Art that more or less realisticaly captures what the card is about.
: >
: >I couldn't be happier if Tucker when the way of Justin Hampton.
: Hoping it won't happen. Unlike Hampton, Tucker has fans :).
: Sincerely,
: Jeff Franzmann
Rock on, pal.
: --
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you,too,will be assimilated.
Kevin Edward Laporte
: Why is everyone so down on the Clockwork Beast's artwork? Personally, I
: scrap-metal lumbering along [moving like "stop motion" animation - real
: jerky and haphazard] in a cloud of its own oily fumes. I think it
: captures the essence and the mood of the Beast quite well...
: Now, if we must dis one of Drew's pieces, then perhaps we should tear
: apart Power Leak... :)
Or not...I like power leak. Looks like a guy trying to hold some ethereal
power in, but it keeps seeping through...
--
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gt5...@prism.gatech.edu
you,too,will be assimilated.
bi...@its.bldrdoc.gov
> If you think that all Tucker did was throw paint at a
> canvas, then perhaps you should go out, buy some paint and canvases and
> sell _your_ stuff to WotC and see if they buy it.
That would be an unfair test. According to some artist friends of mine,
WotC is being bombarded with portfolios from everyone who can weild a
brush. Almost all of them are being rejected.
A much fairer test would be to break into Drew's home, tie him up,
splatter paint on canvas and send it to WotC with his name on it.
If they use it in an expansion set, you'd be proven wrong. If
they send it back and say, "It doesn't have the same feel as your
other stuff. Is someone holding you hostage?", then you'd be right.
> As it is, I remeber
> hearing about how all the so called art critics hated impressionism when
> it first came to being because they were all staring at Baroque paintings
> from the last 25 years. How many people call impressionism trash today?
Count me as one. I also consider nailing a folding chair to the
wall as trash. Ditto with wrapping an island with pink cloth or
welding iron bars together at odd angles and dropping it in into
wet cement.
-- Bill
co...@psy.fsu.edu
Jeff
You can use as many fast effects as you wish on your own creatures. Just
like tapping dwarves to make another creature of yours unblockable, you can
tap a Tim to kill creatures of yours with particularly annoying
enchantments on them.
Demonic hordes will destroy your land wether you want it to or not if you
don't spend 3 black mana to stop it every upkeep. If this works to your
adavantage great, but you know your opponent chooses which land is
destroyed.
Finally, no damage is cumalative, from one turn to the next, on a creature
regardless on the souce.
See Ya
ANDREW GALBRAITH
: In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.94112...@Ra.MsState.Edu>,
: Jeffrey John Pawlik <jj...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
: >
: > Can walls block more than one creature at a time? Let's say you have a
: > 0/8 wall.. Two 1/1 creatures attack. Can this wall block both of these
: > creatures?
: >
NO--just as any other creatures (walls are creatures in this
instance), walls can only block one attacking creature...
--Headbanger
Rod Shelton
> ros...@faerun.mi.org writes:
>>I don't know about them, but I'm 28. Don't watch MTV all day. And
>>absolutely *HATE* Tucker's artwork.
>
> Hating anyone's artwork is a personal preference. I won't begrudge
> that of anyone. Me, I like Tucker's work. One of my favourite MtG
> artists, if not _the_ favourite.
>
I never said otherwise, obviously by the size of this thread I've struck a
nerve.
>>I just don't feel it is appropriate for MTG, most often his stuff looks
>>like he threw some ink/paint (whatever) on a canvas and that's it. No
>>thought or form to what the card says.
>
> Well, Tucker does watercolours, which involve paint and specially
> prepared paper, not canvas. And I would be prepared to say he does
> put considerable thought into his work. Not liking his art is okay,
> but don't accuse the man of being incompetent.
>
I didn't mean it that way, the man is good at what he does. I just don't
like it in general. On certain cards he catches the intent of the card
well: clockwork avian, and ashes to ashes (already mentioned by others)
But on cards like the ixatian priest it just makes me want to gag.
>>I will admit that I don't like *ANY* abstract art, I prefer work by Elmore,
>>the Foglio's, Hoover, Madocks, Weber, etc...
>
> Um... Tucker's art is not abstract. His pictures are clearly
> respresentational. Abstract art does not purport to represent
> any recognisable objects.
Never said I was an art major, I just know what I like and dislike.
>
>>Art that more or less realisticaly captures what the card is about.
>
> Fair enough as a preference. But some people prefer less realistic
> representations, where the artist provides a challenge to one's
> interpretation of the picture, or where the colour tones or textures
> become important in conveying the feel of the work as well as just the
> representational value.
>
I dislike cards that can't make you feel the card right off. Call me lazy
but IMHO good card art does that. You don't have to think about it, you
just feel it.
> There are many styles of art. The strictest representational art
> approaches photographic quality, and there are examples of MtG
> cards which, at first glance, could be mistaken for photos (Sisters
> of the Flame comes to mind). This requires considerable skill, but
> I'd hate to see WotC restrict their art choices along realism
> lines. A good cross-section of artistic styles is nice.
>
I can agree with this, perhaps they just need to be more selective in
handing out the art assignments?
--
Rod Shelton
>
> In article <3bdg90$q...@ecom3.ecn.bgu.edu>, <cu...@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> writes:
>
>> If you think that all Tucker did was throw paint at a
>> canvas, then perhaps you should go out, buy some paint and canvases and
>> sell _your_ stuff to WotC and see if they buy it.
>
> That would be an unfair test. According to some artist friends of mine,
> WotC is being bombarded with portfolios from everyone who can weild a
> brush. Almost all of them are being rejected.
>
> A much fairer test would be to break into Drew's home, tie him up,
> splatter paint on canvas and send it to WotC with his name on it.
> If they use it in an expansion set, you'd be proven wrong. If
> they send it back and say, "It doesn't have the same feel as your
> other stuff. Is someone holding you hostage?", then you'd be right.
>
This would be an interesting test. :)
>> As it is, I remeber
>> hearing about how all the so called art critics hated impressionism when
>> it first came to being because they were all staring at Baroque paintings
>> from the last 25 years. How many people call impressionism trash today?
>
> Count me as one. I also consider nailing a folding chair to the
> wall as trash. Ditto with wrapping an island with pink cloth or
> welding iron bars together at odd angles and dropping it in into
> wet cement.
>
If impressionism is the 'fuzzy' painting style, I can't say I like it a
whole like either.
And I agree with the other 'art' you mentioned as well. <bleech>
BaoPhac Do
>In article <3bcrid$c...@b30news.b30.ingr.com> japr...@ingr.com (Jeff Prozan) writes:
>>
>> How old are you guys? Sounds like 7 or 8 max.
>> The great thing about the MTG art is that all of the artists are different.
>> You are simply echoing your immaturity by not allowing yourself to
>> appreciate the different perspectives of the artists.
>>
>> Tucker's art is some of the most expressive of the MTG collection.
>> But at the same time it doesn't lock you into such a restrictive visual
>> identity for the cards. It lets you use your imagination a bit.
>> But then again, you probably watch MTV (not MTG) all day.
>>
>> :-)
>I don't know about them, but I'm 28. Don't watch MTV all day. And
>absolutely *HATE* Tucker's artwork.
>
>I just don't feel it is appropriate for MTG, most often his stuff looks
>like he threw some ink/paint (whatever) on a canvas and that's it. No
>thought or form to what the card says.
>
Au contraire, Tucker paints his art from scratch as opposed to making a
pencil or ink outline then paint in the areas. I think this is much harder
because of possible color blending if the paint is too watery...
On the comics scene, this is like Bill Scienkiewicz' art.
--
Bao Phac Do __
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gate, gate, paragate, parasamgate, bodhi svaha
David Rivers
enjoy you Quenton Hoover's all the more. I was very surprised that someone
said they enjoyed his work. Jesper must have seen something in it that I
never have.
Now, if we could arrange to have him NEVER do any blue cards...
One thing that drew so many people into the game was the vividness of
the artwork (I'm referring to alpha) and the complete jumble of art. I
guess Drew is a part of it, but boy did I ever cringe when I saw the
Duelist. (with his work on the cover).
An excellent magazine--ignore the cover--it full of GREAT stuff! If they
can keep this up, they'll keep more players from giving up on Magic.
David
Daniel Chase Edmonds
: In fact, I'd really like to see some purely abstract art on cards
: in the future! (If you're listening, Tom...) Blue Ward perhaps comes
: closest (of the cards I've seen) so far.
I'd say Chaoslace and Red Ward come real close, too. And agreed, though I'd
bet we're in the minority here.
: - David Mar.
: m...@physics.su.oz.au http://www.physics.su.oz.au/~mar/dm.html
: Astrophysics Department, University of Sydney NSW 2006, Australia.
Dan
Jefferson Thomas Scott
David Mar
>> Hating anyone's artwork is a personal preference. I won't begrudge
>> that of anyone. Me, I like Tucker's work.
>
>nerve.
Yeah, looks like. :-) I think I'll bow out of this discussion now
and let the more opinionated people yell at each other. Aah, it's
fun stoking flamewars... :-)
>> Not liking his art is okay, but don't accuse the man of being
>> incompetent.
>
>I didn't mean it that way, the man is good at what he does.
Okay, sorry. I guess I took your meaning a bit too strongly.
I suppose different people's opinions on artwork can only help in
trading with the FE common cards. "You like Tucker? Here, I'll
give you all my Tucker duplicate commons if you give me all your
Foglios..."
- David Mar. (waiting for the second Australian FE shipment...)
James Sager
: Can walls block more than one creature at a time? Let's say you have a
: 0/8 wall.. Two 1/1 creatures attack. Can this wall block both of these
: creatures?
No. Walls are just like ordinary creatures - they can only block one thing at
a time(unless they're banded of course).
: I read someones post who said that you cannot attack one of your own
: creatures, or yourself. Can a Tim ping one of your creatures, if he has
: an enchantment that you don't quite approve of? And also, can you use
: demonic Hordes to destroy your own lands, to keep from taking points from
: cursed land, or Karma, or the such?
A Tim can deal damage to any target, so yes you can ping one of your own
creatures. Dunno about the Demonic Hordes, but if they can destroy _any_ land,
then yes, they can destroy yours.
: Ok, i have an example of another situation.
: Lets say you have two Tim's out. YOur opponent has a Serra Angel out.
: Can the person tap both of his Tim's at the end of the persons turn,
: doing 2 pts. of damage to the Serra, and then at the begginning of the
: turn take the serra out with the other two points? I think that the
: creature regenerates it's life at the end of the turn. I'm so confused..
No, this wouldn't work because all wounds heal at the end of a round.
James Sager , "What do you mean you're casting Howl From
University of Brighton, Beyond on my Craw Wyrm? Reverse Damage? OH,
England. BUGGER !! "
Jeffrey Davi Verzak
Rod Shelton <ros...@faerun.mi.org> wrote:
>
>I dislike cards that can't make you feel the card right off. Call me lazy
>but IMHO good card art does that. You don't have to think about it, you
>just feel it.
>
But that's just it, Tucker's art is more emotional and allows you to feel
it right away. Take Power Leak, we obviously have some guy in pain,
hunched over trying to keep something inside of him. What would be a
better Power Leak picture? Same for the Necrite, it's obviously some
figure killing another with some guy looking on. That's what the Necrite
does, right? Heck, my favorite Tucker pic is the Hurr Jackal, and anyone
who claims it doesn't appear to be a jackal must be blind. I don't know,
I *am* an art major and have been for 4 years (and will be for 4 more if
I don't graduate soon... *grin*) so maybe these are more obvious to me
after 7 semesters of identifing stuff in Art History classes, but it all
seems pretty simple to me.
+Jeff
cu...@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Michele Coleman
Well, I'm one of the brain-damaged people who say Drew Tucker
is their favorite Magic artist :-) and I _hate_ that card. Somehow
I don't think an Icatian priest should look like a Southern Baptist.
Although it is nice to think of such as a fallen empire...
I do really like ones like The Cave People (do I have that
name right?) from the Dark; I like the soft colors and lines,
the mood in conveys.
A lot of people seem to like Quinton Hoover (I've got a friend
who collects them), but I don't see the appeal at all. The colors
seem very unsophisticated and uninspired.
Not that I demand that my art be fuzzy and inexact. I really
like the Elves of Deep Shadow, and my favorite is the Phyrexian
Gremlins, because they're so cute. Oh, I also like the realistic-
looking animals: Kird Ape, Grizzly Bears, and Wolves (Timber, Tundra,
and Throat.)
--Michele Coleman
Rod Shelton
> Rod Shelton <ros...@faerun.mi.org> writes:
>>In article <3bcrid$c...@b30news.b30.ingr.com> japr...@ingr.com (Jeff
> Prozan) writes:
>>>
[snip]
>>
>>I just don't feel it is appropriate for MTG, most often his stuff looks
>>like he threw some ink/paint (whatever) on a canvas and that's it. No
>>thought or form to what the card says.
>>
>
> Au contraire, Tucker paints his art from scratch as opposed to making a
> pencil or ink outline then paint in the areas. I think this is much harder
> because of possible color blending if the paint is too watery...
>
>
> On the comics scene, this is like Bill Scienkiewicz' art.
>
Another artist who I can't stand. At least I'm consistent.
--
Rod Shelton
> ros...@faerun.mi.org quotes me, then responds:
[snip]
>
>>> Not liking his art is okay, but don't accuse the man of being
>>> incompetent.
>>
>>I didn't mean it that way, the man is good at what he does.
>
> Okay, sorry. I guess I took your meaning a bit too strongly.
>
> I suppose different people's opinions on artwork can only help in
> trading with the FE common cards. "You like Tucker? Here, I'll
> give you all my Tucker duplicate commons if you give me all your
> Foglios..."
>
This is exactly how I've been doing my tradings with the commons, no one
else I play/trade with is particularly impressed with Drew, but none seem
to dislike him as much as I do.
Rod Shelton
Some of his cards do carry the feel for what the card does, that's not the
main point. The point is that IMHO he can't do it consistently. I believe
I've mentioned it before, Icatian priest is (again IMHO), a sloppily done
piece that doesn't bring to my mind any indication of who/what the card is
about. I see a man somewhat strangling another man.
Mark Spierings
{snip}
> Some of his cards do carry the feel for what the card does, that's not the
> main point. The point is that IMHO he can't do it consistently. I believe
> I've mentioned it before, Icatian priest is (again IMHO), a sloppily done
> piece that doesn't bring to my mind any indication of who/what the card is
> about. I see a man somewhat strangling another man.
To mee it looks like the priest is blessing the happy little fellow (hand on
top of head).
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Bill Karwin
: I don't know about them, but I'm 28. Don't watch MTV all day. And
: absolutely *HATE* Tucker's artwork.
Rod, I'm not going to attack your opinion on Drew Tucker's art.
Everyone has a right to his or her opinion, especially on matters
like artistic preference.
But chalk me up as someone who likes Tucker art. Its atmosphere
and mood is very ghostly and even magical. I also like the illustration
styles of fantasy artists like Elmore or Hildebrant, but it's nice
to have some art in a different form (as long as it's well-crafted).
--
Bill Karwin bka...@interbase.borland.com
"Once you've seen one picture of the Mandelbrot set, you've seen them all."
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minority - I rather like Drew Tucker's paintings. Its nice to
have some different styles withing the art of MtG, and Drew
Tucker is one of the few who deviate from the norm of strict
realistic portrayal (the Foglio's leap to mind as other prominant
artists who I like and are also different than the "mainstream" of
MtG art).
Chalk me up as someone with eclectic tastes, I guess . . .
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Jeffrey Davi Verzak
Rod Shelton <ros...@faerun.mi.org> wrote:
(snip)
>...The point is that IMHO he can't do it consistently. I believe
>I've mentioned it before, Icatian priest is (again IMHO), a sloppily done
>piece that doesn't bring to my mind any indication of who/what the card is
>about. I see a man somewhat strangling another man.
What?? He's placing his hand on the guy to heal him. The fact that the
little guy is grey and warped doesn't change anything, look in the New
Testament to see how many time Jesus healed someone with leprosy.
+Jeff
Marco Vujevic
> A lot of people seem to like Quinton Hoover (I've got a friend
>who collects them), but I don't see the appeal at all. The colors
>seem very unsophisticated and uninspired.
> Not that I demand that my art be fuzzy and inexact. I really
>like the Elves of Deep Shadow, and my favorite is the Phyrexian
>Gremlins, because they're so cute. Oh, I also like the realistic-
>looking animals: Kird Ape, Grizzly Bears, and Wolves (Timber, Tundra,
>and Throat.)
I think, there aren't any pictures which can compete with the ones from
Mark Tedin. I just say Psychic Allergie, or his Mindstab Thrul . Just
great !
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my favorite M:TG artist. I like the Foglio's stuff in FE. I like Ron
Spenser's (sp?) Thrull art -- it coveys their supposed nastiness.
I also really like how Terror looks -- perhaps the art itself could be
better, but it's a really great use of empty space.
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ABADDON
<referring to Tucker's watercolor style>
Ba> On the comics scene, this is like Bill Scienkiewicz' art.
Indeed. And Bill S. is somewhere down around third from the BOTTOM
of my "favorite comic book artists" list.
However, I cannot say I HATE Tucker's work. Some of it is excellent and
appropriate. Some of it is not. <Icatian Moneychanger---shudder>
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Let's change this thread a bit:
Who's your favorite Magic:TG artist? Or, some of them, at least.
Liz Danforth, Phil Foglio, Melissa Benson, Anson Maddocks...
I like lots of the others, but this is FAVES, after all. :)
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: Let's change this thread a bit:
:
: Who's your favorite Magic:TG artist? Or, some of them, at least.
[In no particular order]
Ron Spencer/Mark Tedin - Realism, clarity and the "gross-out" factor
Kaja & Phil Foglio - humor factor
Drew Tucker - creepyness. Creatures and scenes distorted by an eerie mist.
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> I'm also going to state an opinion which appears to be in the
> minority - I rather like Drew Tucker's paintings. Its nice to
> have some different styles withing the art of MtG, and Drew
> Tucker is one of the few who deviate from the norm of strict
> realistic portrayal (the Foglio's leap to mind as other prominant
> artists who I like and are also different than the "mainstream" of
> MtG art).
I also like some of Drew Tucker's stuff. Some of them, such as
Night Soil and High Tide from FE do look like paint splotches on canvas,
and I tried HARD to find some sort of picture in the art.
The Clockwork Beast does give the impression of a mechanical
creature rather well. And I really like the Angry Mob - the dark look of
his work fits the card so well.
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David Mar
>Let's change this thread a bit:
> Who's your favorite Magic:TG artist? Or, some of them, at least.
Lessee... Drew Tucker...
Waitaminute, I thought you said you were changing the thread! :-)
Actually, while on Drew Tucker, I think I got close to my wish for
a purely abstract card art with his Night Soil. A very cool picture...
I'm going to have to study it a bit.
Someone said they didn't like Tucker's Icatian Moneychanger? Hmmm, I
thought that was a cool one. But just to show that I'm not totally
pro-Tucker, I don't like his Necrite.
Other faves? erm... Jesper "Pestilence" Myrfors, Randy "Inferno"
Asplund-Faith, Melissa "Shivan" Benson, Quinton "Vesuvan" Hoover,
Mark "Leviathan" Tedin, Amy "Vodalian War Machine" Weber, Sandra
"Dance of Many" Everingham...
I don't like a lot of Phil Foglio's. He does a great Phil and Dixie,
and some cards, like Conch Horn, are cool, but then there are things
like Basal Thrull which make me wonder if he can draw pictures without
turning them into visual gags.
- David Mar.
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Gregory P. Rae
: Now, if we could arrange to have him NEVER do any blue cards...
I agree with this 100% :)
: One thing that drew so many people into the game was the vividness of
: the artwork (I'm referring to alpha) and the complete jumble of art. I
: guess Drew is a part of it, but boy did I ever cringe when I saw the
: Duelist. (with his work on the cover).
: An excellent magazine--ignore the cover--it full of GREAT stuff! If they
: can keep this up, they'll keep more players from giving up on Magic.
Actually, I thought some of the pictures on the inside of the Duelist were
ok. Personally, I feel that his art is improving. His Dark cards certainly
caught the feel of the expansion (although I don't know about Dust to
Dust) I like to keep an open mind, and I have changed my mind about Drew
Tucker's artwork.
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Chip Marshall Hogan
> Pho...@voyager.cris.com (ABADDON) writes:
> >Let's change this thread a bit:
> > Who's your favorite Magic:TG artist? Or, some of them, at least.
I'll be honest, I don't follow the artists a lot, but I do like certian
cards artwork.
I like lost soul from legends.
And I like the dragon con card.
Fallen Angel is very evil.
Kismet is nice (and Shaharazad (sp?))
I like serpent generator
Some of the FE art is really nice, and this could be for three reasons:
1 lots of art (187 pictures?)
2 new artists?
3 new printing style (it really changes the appereance of colors)
The circle Hymn to Tourach is really cool.
well, I think I'll quit before I name 492 cards that you have already
seen.
chip
Johannes FaBbinder=
In article <D00KM...@ucc.su.OZ.AU> m...@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar) writes:
> ros...@faerun.mi.org writes:
>>I don't know about them, but I'm 28. Don't watch MTV all day. And
>>absolutely *HATE* Tucker's artwork.
[...]
Never said I was an art major, I just know what I like and dislike.
>
>>Art that more or less realisticaly captures what the card is about.
>
> Fair enough as a preference. But some people prefer less realistic
> representations, where the artist provides a challenge to one's
> interpretation of the picture, or where the colour tones or textures
> become important in conveying the feel of the work as well as just the
> representational value.
>
I dislike cards that can't make you feel the card right off. Call me lazy
but IMHO good card art does that. You don't have to think about it, you
just feel it.
Many pieces of good -- and abstract -- art make you feel without
making you think what it actually should depict. Some of the Kandinsky
or Miro stuff is pinned up in every second student's appartment, just
because it "looks good". And yes, the way the picture makes you feel
can have something to do with the card.
If you prefer realistic artwork, try Spellfire. I prefer the motives
to be represented on a Harley Davidson rider's underarm than on a
playing card, but you immediately recognize what it is.
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> Some of his cards do carry the feel for what the card does, that's not the
> main point. The point is that IMHO he can't do it consistently. I believe
> I've mentioned it before, Icatian priest is (again IMHO), a sloppily done
> piece that doesn't bring to my mind any indication of who/what the card is
> about. I see a man somewhat strangling another man.
Actualy, I think that some of Drew's cards seem to be lacking in form or
meaning but when I first saw the Icatian Priest I instantly saw a person who
was performing a laying on of hands, passing the power of God on through to an
other person. I feel that it does portray the intended meaning quite well.
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