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Graham Ribchester

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Oct 5, 2004, 7:36:15 AM10/5/04
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See the artwork at www.ribbo.com/ravager.htm

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David Chapman

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Oct 5, 2004, 11:41:51 AM10/5/04
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From the Collected Witterings of Graham Ribchester, volume 23:

... and before anyone wonders why I'm not pouncing, there's no reason to.
This is legitimate use of .misc - the item is related to Magic but not
related to play, and has no other appropriate group in the hierarchy.

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Could we, just for once, die without all this bickering?


Peter Cooper Jr.

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Oct 5, 2004, 12:21:52 PM10/5/04
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"David Chapman" <jedit_...@hotmail.com> writes:
> ... and before anyone wonders why I'm not pouncing, there's no reason to.
> This is legitimate use of .misc - the item is related to Magic but not
> related to play, and has no other appropriate group in the hierarchy.

Well, yes, but isn't it still an auction? The FAQ that posted here
states, "Sales, auctions and trades are absolutely forbidden on this
newsgroup." Is this exempt because it isn't about singles or boosters,
but is art instead? The FAQ doesn't make that very clear.

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Peter C.
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mine are still greater."
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David Chapman

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Oct 5, 2004, 3:17:28 PM10/5/04
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From the Collected Witterings of Peter Cooper Jr., volume 23:

> "David Chapman" <jedit_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> ... and before anyone wonders why I'm not pouncing, there's no reason to.
>> This is legitimate use of .misc - the item is related to Magic but not
>> related to play, and has no other appropriate group in the hierarchy.
>
> Well, yes, but isn't it still an auction? The FAQ that posted here
> states, "Sales, auctions and trades are absolutely forbidden on this
> newsgroup." Is this exempt because it isn't about singles or boosters,
> but is art instead?

Yes, though if it wasn't a Magic-related piece of art it would of course
still be spam.

This being the rec.games.trading-cards.* hierarchy, the things that should
be sold in the marketplace groups are items required to play the game -
cards and other paraphernalia. Those things should not be sold here.
However, selling things like original art, graphics kits, store displays (by
which I mean the likes of mobiles and silk screens, not display boxes) and
books is fair use because it's not really what the marketplace groups are
meant for.

Jim Grimmett

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Oct 6, 2004, 4:12:55 AM10/6/04
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"David Chapman" <jedit_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> This being the rec.games.trading-cards.* hierarchy, the things that should
> be sold in the marketplace groups are items required to play the game -
> cards and other paraphernalia. Those things should not be sold here.
> However, selling things like original art, graphics kits, store displays (by
> which I mean the likes of mobiles and silk screens, not display boxes) and
> books is fair use because it's not really what the marketplace groups are
> meant for.

Whilst I wholeheartedly disagree with your normal methods, this
exception seems based on a whim. The FAQ is quite clear:

"FAQ (no trades/sales/auctions here)"

and again:

"*** 1.2 What is not allowed ***

Post with HTML-controls and/or attachments (even plain-text
attachments) are not allowed.

Sales, auctions and trades are absolutely forbidden on this newsgroup,
and a 'zero-tolerance' policy is maintained. Don't post any
advertisement for sales/trades/auctions here!"

Nowhere does it say "we'll let people off if it's art".
rec.games.trading-cards.marketplace.misc seems an entirely appropriate
place for Graham to post his auction.

Why the double standard? Fan of original Magic art?

Jim.


David Chapman

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Oct 6, 2004, 5:51:30 AM10/6/04
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"Jim Grimmett" <css...@bath.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:I55LH...@bath.ac.uk...

> Whilst I wholeheartedly disagree with your normal methods, this
> exception seems based on a whim. The FAQ is quite clear:

The FAQ also doesn't include the standard Usenet rule of "misc groups are
for things that belong in the hierarchy but don't specifically fit
elsewhere".

IMO, it fits better in here than in marketplace.misc; those groups are meant
for selling game-related stuff, and their misc group is meant for selling
stuff related to games that don't have their own marketplace and discussing
selling issues that aren't directly related to STAs. rgt-cmm is for Magic
stuff that isn't game related, in which I would include art. A friend of
mine has collected a set of Mirrodin-block silkscreens, which I'd say was
about as misc as you can get.

> Why the double standard? Fan of original Magic art?

Not really, though I do have the original draft of the Arena Disenchant. :)

It's not likely to come up all that often anyway, but I think the yardstick
should be "is it interesting?" So, straw poll: which of the following are
interesting enough to be sold here?

Original card art
Artists' proof cards
Pro Tour/Worlds Competitor T-shirts
Other competitor-only items (lanyards, playmats etc.)
Other non-card promo items (lanyards, fridge poetry, sew-on patches etc.)
Pre-release banners and mobiles
Store posters and silkscreens

I'd say that all of these were fair game because they're unusual, rare
(often less than 500 existing) and hard to get hold of. What follows I'm
dubious about, but vote on them anyway.

Official artists' art prints
Original Magic-related art
*Empty* vintage booster-wraps and display boxes (yes, I have seen this done)
Godbooks, magazines and novels
T-shirts (non-competition)

Rast

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Oct 6, 2004, 8:38:01 PM10/6/04
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David Chapman wrote on Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:51:30 +0100 in article
news:<2shthcF...@uni-berlin.de>:

> It's not likely to come up all that often anyway, but I think the yardstick
> should be "is it interesting?"

That's special, but it isn't what the FAQ says.

> So, straw poll: which of the following are interesting enough to be sold here?

I don't think anything should be sold here.

Now, if someone not at all affiliated with the seller happens to be browsing
eBay and notices a cool and unique Magic-related item, and posts it here to
comment on it, or because he thinks it will be genuinely interesting to the
readership of the group, that looks OK, because it isn't advertising.


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Poor, pathetic, nosy Mother. Curiosity killed the cat, as
Holland would say. What else could Holland have done - what
else could anybody have done - except to reach out and push
her down the stairs? - Thomas Tryon

Mateusz "Watman" Wata

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Oct 7, 2004, 2:14:16 AM10/7/04
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To summon a deamon called Rast you must know the following incantation:

>> So, straw poll: which of the following are interesting enough to be sold here?
> I don't think anything should be sold here.

thumbs up

> Now, if someone not at all affiliated with the seller happens to be browsing
> eBay and notices a cool and unique Magic-related item, and posts it here to
> comment on it, or because he thinks it will be genuinely interesting to the
> readership of the group, that looks OK, because it isn't advertising.

nope - it's too easy to just change your handle for a while or write
from your friend's computer... i'm against anything connected with
selling here...

watman
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Jamie MOles

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Oct 13, 2004, 9:05:01 AM10/13/04
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"David Chapman" <jedit_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2sftlgF...@uni-berlin.de>...

> ... and before anyone wonders why I'm not pouncing, there's no reason to.
> This is legitimate use of .misc - the item is related to Magic but not
> related to play, and has no other appropriate group in the hierarchy.

Damn, and there was me thinking it was because you've finally got a life...

<GRIN>

/me ducks and runs...

J.

David Chapman

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Oct 13, 2004, 1:14:36 PM10/13/04
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From the Collected Witterings of Jamie MOles, volume 23:

I have a chainsaw set aside for the likes of you, Moles...

}:)

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