Torpor Rescue Questions
Nystulc
declares (as the action is announced, as per the rules) that the rescued
vampire will pay the entire cost of the action. Is the cost to the rescued
vampire still reduced (even if Miriam's controller does not wish this)? Card
text says the action costs Miriam 1 less blood, but it is unclear if that
applies in this case. It is Miriam's cost in one sense, because it is the cost
of her action, but she is not the one planning to pay it.
Wording on Catacombs and Humanitas vary slightly from Miriam, saying that the
rescuer "burns one less blood if successful". Is this merely considered a
different way of saying the exact same thing?
For instance, I cannot attempt an action whose cost I cannot pay. If I have
Humanitas, can I attempt to rescue an empty vampire when I have only one blood
(as I presume Miriam could), on the grounds that the cost has been reduced, or
is the cost still 2 for the purpose of determining the requirement to attempt
the action?
Similarly, can a vampire with Catacombs and Humanitas, as above, rescue a
vampire in such a manner that the rescued vampire still burns two blood?
LSJ
>
> Miriam Beyonye attempts to rescue a vampire from her prey's torpor region. She
> declares (as the action is announced, as per the rules) that the rescued
> vampire will pay the entire cost of the action. Is the cost to the rescued
> vampire still reduced (even if Miriam's controller does not wish this)? Card
> text says the action costs Miriam 1 less blood, but it is unclear if that
> applies in this case. It is Miriam's cost in one sense, because it is the cost
> of her action, but she is not the one planning to pay it.
Yes. It applies, since she is rescuing, and rescuing costs her 1 less.
> Wording on Catacombs and Humanitas vary slightly from Miriam, saying that the
> rescuer "burns one less blood if successful". Is this merely considered a
> different way of saying the exact same thing?
Yes.
> For instance, I cannot attempt an action whose cost I cannot pay. If I have
> Humanitas, can I attempt to rescue an empty vampire when I have only one blood
> (as I presume Miriam could), on the grounds that the cost has been reduced, or
> is the cost still 2 for the purpose of determining the requirement to attempt
> the action?
Yes.
> Similarly, can a vampire with Catacombs and Humanitas, as above, rescue a
> vampire in such a manner that the rescued vampire still burns two blood?
No.
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Henrik
>Nystulc wrote:
>>
>> For instance, I cannot attempt an action whose cost I cannot pay. If I
have
>> Humanitas, can I attempt to rescue an empty vampire when I have only one
blood
>> (as I presume Miriam could), on the grounds that the cost has been
reduced, or
>> is the cost still 2 for the purpose of determining the requirement to
attempt
>> the action?
>
>Yes.
>
>> Similarly, can a vampire with Catacombs and Humanitas, as above, rescue a
>> vampire in such a manner that the rescued vampire still burns two blood?
>
>No.
>
>--
Not sure what's asked and answered here, but for clarification: Can Miriam
with Humanitas and Catacombs resque a vampire from torpor and declare that
the rescued vampire pays two blood? Useful in fame-loops...
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The Lasombra
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> Can Miriam with Humanitas and Catacombs resque a vampire from
> torpor and declare that the rescued vampire pays two blood?
No.
If the cost of the action is reduced for the acting minion,
it is reduced, period. If Miriam acquires Humanitas or
the Catacombs, then it costs her zero blood to rescue a
vampire from torpor. Either Miriam or the vampire in torpor
can pay that zero blood cost, at Miriam's controller's discretion,
but the cost is zero.
Carpe noctem.
Lasombra
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Henrik
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>> Can Miriam with Humanitas and Catacombs resque a vampire from
>> torpor and declare that the rescued vampire pays two blood?
>
>No.
>
>If the cost of the action is reduced for the acting minion,
>it is reduced, period. If Miriam acquires Humanitas or
>the Catacombs, then it costs her zero blood to rescue a
>vampire from torpor. Either Miriam or the vampire in torpor
>can pay that zero blood cost, at Miriam's controller's discretion,
>but the cost is zero.
>
The way I figure, the cost is allways 2 blood, which can be split between
the two vampires. Humanitas says: "this vampire burns 1 less blood if
successful". If the vampire with humanitas chooses to pay 1 blood, that cost
is reduced by one to zero, if he/she chooses to let the other vampire pay
two blood, her own cost is reduced from 0 to -1, thus being 0. Humanitas
reduces the cost for the acting minion, not for the action!?
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James Coupe
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>The way I figure, the cost is allways 2 blood, which can be split between
>the two vampires.
LSJ, in this thread:
Question:
> Similarly, can a vampire with Catacombs and Humanitas, as above, rescue a
> vampire in such a manner that the rescued vampire still burns two blood?
LSJ: No.
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LSJ
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> "Henrik" <henrik.isa...@spray.se> wrote in message
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>
> > Can Miriam with Humanitas and Catacombs resque a vampire from
> > torpor and declare that the rescued vampire pays two blood?
>
> No.
>
> If the cost of the action is reduced for the acting minion,
> it is reduced, period. If Miriam acquires Humanitas or
> the Catacombs, then it costs her zero blood to rescue a
> vampire from torpor. Either Miriam or the vampire in torpor
> can pay that zero blood cost, at Miriam's controller's discretion,
> but the cost is zero.
Correct.
Hannigan
> > For instance, I cannot attempt an action whose cost I cannot pay. If I have
> > Humanitas, can I attempt to rescue an empty vampire when I have only one blood
> > (as I presume Miriam could), on the grounds that the cost has been reduced, or
> > is the cost still 2 for the purpose of determining the requirement to attempt
> > the action?
>
> Yes.
>
Yes to which? Yes, she can attempt to rescue an empty vampire with
only one blood?
Or yes, the cost is still 2 for the purpose of determining the
LSJ
As made explicit in the rest of my post (snipped), the former.
(In general any "yes" answer to a "is it A or not A?" question means that
is is A and I merely stopped reading the question too soon).