[LSJ] Psalm of the Damned
Izaak
[pre] Burn 1 blood to get +1 bleed. You cannot play another action modifier
to increase this bleed.
[mal] Choose a minion. The chosen minion cannot play reaction cards
(including (reaction) abilities of power cards) this action. Maleficia is
not a Discipline.
[MAL] As [mal] above, and the chosen minion cannot block this action.
Psalm of the Damned lacks the usual "as the action is announced" clause that
similar cards (Seduction comes to mind, mostly) have.
Does that mean I can play it in response to someone waking a vampire before
he or she has the chance to block and/or play a deflection? My guess is no,
because I passed the impulse to the "receiving" Meth and I won't get impulse
back before he's done declaring deflections and blocks. But then, if my
guess is right, then why do other cards have the "as the action is
announced" clause is, because in then it seems somewhat redundant.
Blooded Sand
You are correct, as the impulse passes to the blocking meth, he plays
a card, the impulse immediately return to you, then goes back if you
play no further cards. There has just been very little opportunity
thus far to play cards in that impulse swop
Chris Berger
You mean, he is incorrect, though your explanation is right. You
*can* indeed wait until they wake a vampire, then immediately play
Psalm to tell that vampire it cannot block or play any further
reactions. I'm 90% sure you can also play it at superior on a vampire
that is already attempting to block to fail their block. About the
only thing you can't do is play it in response to a minion playing a
reaction card (well, you can, but that reaction card is already out of
the barn, and will take effect regardless).
Dasein
Yep, seems right. Which is very powerful. As acting methuselah gets
priority when anyone does anything, it seems you can indeed use in
response to a Wake / Forced / etc. Or used in response to a block
attempt to fail block. These Maleficia and Striga cards seem so good,
but so many moving parts to get them working :(
LSJ
Correct.
Izaak
> Correct.
Alright, thanks for your responses.
Now, just let me get the straightened in case I have to refer to it since I
plan to abuse Psalm of the Damned very soon.
I bleed for 3 with Cybele using her card text. Cybele has two Maleficia "not
a discipline"cards on her.
My prey, who has a single untapped minion declines to block. I announce I
don't play any bleed enhancers and my prey proceeds to play an On the Qui
Vive on Gabrin, *immediately* followed by a Deflection. This is how these
cards are generally played (most people even reveal them at the same time),
at least everywhere I played. I then play Psalm of the Damned at superior on
the reacting minion, thereby forcing my prey to take back the Deflection, as
the card is not legal to play for Gabrin. He merely played it before he
formally had the chance to, which is understandable as Psalm of the Damned
sort of opens a new timing window.
Correct?
I bleed for 3 with Cybele using her card text. Cybele has two Maleficia "not
a discipline"cards on her.
My prey, attempts to block with Cailean. I play Psalm of the Damned at
superior making Cailean not able to block, so the block fails and he has to
choose a different blocker.
Correct?
And the last one. I bleed for 3 with Cybele using her card text. Cybele has
two Maleficia "not a discipline"cards on her.
My prey doesn't have untapped minions and plays On the Qui Vive on Walter
Nash. He says declines to block. I play Sense the Sin at superior. Walter
Nash plays a deflection. I cannot play Psalm of the Damned now to cancel the
Deflection as Psalm of the Damned merely prevents the card from being played
and not actually cancels anything.
Correct?
Daneel
>> Correct.
>
> Alright, thanks for your responses.
>
> Now, just let me get the straightened in case I have to refer to it
> since I
> plan to abuse Psalm of the Damned very soon.
>
> I bleed for 3 with Cybele using her card text. Cybele has two Maleficia
> "not
> a discipline"cards on her.
> My prey, who has a single untapped minion declines to block. I announce I
> don't play any bleed enhancers and my prey proceeds to play an On the Qui
> Vive on Gabrin, *immediately* followed by a Deflection. This is how these
> cards are generally played (most people even reveal them at the same
> time),
> at least everywhere I played. I then play Psalm of the Damned at
> superior on
> the reacting minion, thereby forcing my prey to take back the
> Deflection, as
> the card is not legal to play for Gabrin. He merely played it before he
> formally had the chance to, which is understandable as Psalm of the
> Damned
> sort of opens a new timing window.
>
> Correct?
If your prey really plays the cards out of sequence (impulse needs to pass
back to you after the On the Qui Vive), then yeah, you can call the judge
to correct the situation, and the most likely correction is to undo the
play of the Deflection. However, if the cards aren't played at the same
time, it's your responsibility to jump in and stop after the OtQV,
otherwise it might seem that you are intentionally waiting for your prey
to reveal the Deflection only to be able to claim that he was out of
sequence.
Unless this is the kind of abuse you intend to do... :)
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Regards,
Daneel
Lord of Ventrue
Just like a Trophy cards!!!