[LSJ] Howler and weapons
Reyda
Howler plays disguised weapon + talbot chainsaw in combat.
does she have a press to continue ?
does she prevent 1 damage ?
can she use the talbot's rush ?
still, at your untap phase, i guess someone has to take the damage =)
Gregory Stuart Pettigrew
> does she have a press to continue ?
> does she prevent 1 damage ?
> can she use the talbot's rush ?
All of those things are using the weapon.
> still, at your untap phase, i guess someone has to take the damage =)
>
I suppose so.
LSJ
Correct.
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The Doctor
> Gregory Stuart Pettigrew <ethe...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote:
>
>>>Howler plays disguised weapon + talbot chainsaw in combat.
>>>does she have a press to continue ?
>>>does she prevent 1 damage ?
>>>can she use the talbot's rush ?
>>
>>All of those things are using the weapon.
>>
>>
>>>still, at your untap phase, i guess someone has to take the damage =)
>>
>>I suppose so.
>
>
> Correct.
>
So basically, sticking someone elses Howler with a Talbot's Chainsaw is
a Good Thing[tm] for anyone but the controller of Howler?
There must be ways to do this in all of the VTES cards, right?
//Doc.
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Raille
"The Doctor" <D...@freemail.nl> wrote in message
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> LSJ wrote:
> > Gregory Stuart Pettigrew <ethe...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote:
> >
> >>>Howler plays disguised weapon + talbot chainsaw in combat.
> >>>does she have a press to continue ?
> >>>does she prevent 1 damage ?
> >>>can she use the talbot's rush ?
> >>
> >>All of those things are using the weapon.
> >>
> >>
> >>>still, at your untap phase, i guess someone has to take the damage =)
> >>
> >>I suppose so.
> >
> >
> > Correct.
> >
>
> So basically, sticking someone elses Howler with a Talbot's Chainsaw is
> a Good Thing[tm] for anyone but the controller of Howler?
>
> There must be ways to do this in all of the VTES cards, right?
>
If you include the sets beyond Jyhad, yes. There are serveral ways you
could get your talbots chain saw on another vampires minion.
Raille
Colin McGuigan
> If you include the sets beyond Jyhad, yes. There are serveral ways you
> could get your talbots chain saw on another vampires minion.
Alastor, baby!
There's a thought. You start Alastor'ing, say, Talbot's Chainsaw and
the Eye of Hazimel onto other people's vampires...they use the rushes to
beat your vampires into torpor, but you get the last laugh from beyond
the grave!
--Colin McGuigan
The Doctor
> Raille wrote:
>
>> If you include the sets beyond Jyhad, yes. There are serveral ways you
>> could get your talbots chain saw on another vampires minion.
>
>
> Alastor, baby!
Which set is that? I wanna look it up :)
> There's a thought. You start Alastor'ing, say, Talbot's Chainsaw and
> the Eye of Hazimel onto other people's vampires...they use the rushes to
Again, which set is that Eye?
> beat your vampires into torpor, but you get the last laugh from beyond
> the grave!
I don't suppose you could build some defense in the deck, like ehm oh,
Obedience? *cackle*
Damn this sure sounds like a Malkavian deck :)
The Doctor
Oh btw, Talbot's CHainsaw says 'you'... Sounds like a problem to me :)
"If bearer is ready during your untap phase, a ready minion you control
takes 3 damage (damage not preventable)."
Who's the you? Especially when you've moved it away to another
Methuselahs vamp...
This could be a problem even if someone 'Fast Hands' it from another.
I guess noone ever uses Talbot's Chainsaw, his sounds like the kind of
problem that would have been addressed way before now if it was a used
card :)
Timlagor
> > There's a thought. You start Alastor'ing, say, Talbot's Chainsaw and
> > the Eye of Hazimel onto other people's vampires...they use the rushes to
> > beat your vampires into torpor, but you get the last laugh from beyond
> > the grave!
>
> Oh btw, Talbot's CHainsaw says 'you'... Sounds like a problem to me :)
>
> "If bearer is ready during your untap phase, a ready minion you control
> takes 3 damage (damage not preventable)."
>
> Who's the you? Especially when you've moved it away to another
> Methuselahs vamp...
>
> This could be a problem even if someone 'Fast Hands' it from another.
> I guess noone ever uses Talbot's Chainsaw, his sounds like the kind of
> problem that would have been addressed way before now if it was a used
> card :)
1) people do use it
2) you addresses the card's controller. Minion cards are controlled by
the controller of the vampire they are on (unless they say otherwise)
Colin McGuigan
> Which set is that? I wanna look it up :)
Gehenna. Basically: Justicar or Inner Circle political action. Pick a
Camarilla vampire. If the referendum succeeds, go through your library
and put a piece of equipment on that vampire for half (round down) cost.
Additionally, that vampire may +1 stealth rush other vampires (like
Archon), but cannot commit diablerie.
> Again, which set is that Eye?
Promotional card, given away at tournaments.
http://monger.vekn.org/showcard.html?ID=1216
Basically, the minion's controller has to burn a pool each turn, or the
minion with the eye takes 5 unpreventable damage.
--Colin mcGuigan
Colin McGuigan
> Oh btw, Talbot's CHainsaw says 'you'... Sounds like a problem to me :)
>
> "If bearer is ready during your untap phase, a ready minion you control
> takes 3 damage (damage not preventable)."
>
> Who's the you? Especially when you've moved it away to another
> Methuselahs vamp...
>
> This could be a problem even if someone 'Fast Hands' it from another.
> I guess noone ever uses Talbot's Chainsaw, his sounds like the kind of
> problem that would have been addressed way before now if it was a used
> card :)
By default, the "you" on a minion card refers to the controller of the
card. If the minion card is on a minion (eg, Talbot's on a vampire),
the default controller of the minion card is the controller of the minion.
So the "you" in this case would be the controller of the minion that has
Talbot's.
--Colin McGuigan
Gregory Stuart Pettigrew
>
> Which set is that? I wanna look it up :)
>
Look it up at http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_A.html and see it is
from Gehenna.
> > There's a thought. You start Alastor'ing, say, Talbot's Chainsaw and
> > the Eye of Hazimel onto other people's vampires...they use the rushes to
>
> Again, which set is that Eye?
>
Look it up under http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_E.html and see
that it's a Promo card.
The Doctor
>>>Alastor, baby!
>>
>>Which set is that? I wanna look it up :)
>>
>
>
> Look it up at http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_A.html and see it is
> from Gehenna.
Ah, I had not really noticed these pages contain _all_ cards by letter,
since I searched the list by set (Jyhad mostly) :)
Thanks.
And I also found another useful link called Monger.
LSJ
> Ah, I had not really noticed these pages contain _all_ cards by letter,
> since I searched the list by set (Jyhad mostly) :)
There's also the entire card list in one page:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist.html
And the text version:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/downloads/Cardlist.txt
And the CSV version:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/downloads/vtescsv.zip
Oortje4ever
> > Again, which set is that Eye?
>
> Promotional card, given away at tournaments.
>
> http://monger.vekn.org/showcard.html?ID=1216
>
odd thing. The text on this link states "Rarity: Rare" shouldn't this
be "special" or "promo only" or "Unique"?
Archibald Zimonyi
> And I also found another useful link called Monger.
>
You also have another useful link called:
http://www.vekn.nu/search.php?page=search
to get to another search page.
Archibald Zimonyi
Malkavian Prince of Gothenburg
http://www.vekn.nu
John Flournoy
> This could be a problem even if someone 'Fast Hands' it from another.
> I guess noone ever uses Talbot's Chainsaw, his sounds like the kind of
> problem that would have been addressed way before now if it was a used
> card :)
>
> //Doc.
Oh, it's definitely used. One of the most frequent uses of it is to
use it in a Giovanni deck that has Ambrosius the Ferryman (from
Ancient Hearts/Final Nights) in play:
------------------
Ambrosius, The Ferryman (Wraith) [AH:R2, FN:PG]
Cardtype: Ally
Clan: Giovanni
Cost: 3 pool
Unique wraith with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed.
Ambrosius is immune to damage that is not aggravated. He can move a
retainer from your ash heap to a ready vampire you control as an
action. Put 3 Pathos counters on the retainer. Remove a Pathos counter
from the retainer at the beginning of each of your minion phases. When
there are no Pathos counters remaining, remove the retainer from the
game.
----------------
So you use Talbot's Chainsaw, and always apply the 'damage to your own
minion' to Ambrosius, who is immune to it.
-John Flournoy
LSJ
Yes.
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_E.html#Eye_of_Hazimel
The Doctor
>
> Archibald Zimonyi
> Malkavian Prince of Gothenburg
Ghe, I used to go to Gothenburg every summer except last one (and this one).
Hope to pick up on that habit again as soon as possible (but that would
require a good job or a lottery win)
JH
> Colin McGuigan wrote:
>> Raille wrote:
>>
>>> If you include the sets beyond Jyhad, yes. There are serveral ways you
>>> could get your talbots chain saw on another vampires minion.
>>
>>
>> Alastor, baby!
>
> Which set is that? I wanna look it up :)
Alastor
Type: Political Action
Requires: justicar,inner circle
Political Card - Worth 1 Vote. Called by any justicar or Inner Circle
member
at +1 stealth.
Choose a ready Camarilla vampire. If this referendum is successful, search
your library for an equipment card and place this card and the equipment on
the chosen vampire. Pay half the cost (round down) of the equipment. This
vampire may enter combat with any vampire controlled by another Methuselah
as a +1 stealth (D) action. This vampire cannot commit diablerie. A vampire
may have only one Alastor.
Rarity: Gehenna:R
>> There's a thought. You start Alastor'ing, say, Talbot's Chainsaw and
>> the Eye of Hazimel onto other people's vampires...they use the rushes to
>
> Again, which set is that Eye?
Eye of Hazimel
Type: Equipment
Cost: 3 pool
Unique equipment.
The minion with this equipment gets +1 bleed and +1 strength. This minion
may
enter combat with any minion controlled by another Methuselah as a (D)
action.
If this minion is a vampire, he or she has superior Potence [POT] and
superior
Chimerstry [CHI], and combat cards cost this vampire 1 less blood to play.
While the bearer is ready, this equipment cannot be transferred, moved or
stolen. If this equipment is burned, this minion takes 5 unpreventable
damage.
During your untap phase, burn 1 pool or burn this equipment.
Rarity: Promo:20021101
>> beat your vampires into torpor, but you get the last laugh from beyond
>> the grave!
>
> I don't suppose you could build some defense in the deck, like ehm oh,
> Obedience? *cackle*
>
> Damn this sure sounds like a Malkavian deck :)
>
> //Doc.
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Xian
wrote:
[Talbot's Chainsaw]
>This could be a problem even if someone 'Fast Hands' it from another.
>I guess noone ever uses Talbot's Chainsaw, his sounds like the kind of
>problem that would have been addressed way before now if it was a used
>card :)
If you're just using Jyhad cards, Arms Dealers make very good Talbot's
Chainsaw fodder.
:)
Xian