(LSJ) Botched Move against Psyche and a piece of wooden stake
François
I have a couple of questions here :
1) Psyche (superior) is a combat card, yet is played when combat is
over (outside of combat), is that right ?
If so, can one play Botched Move as superior Psyche is played ?
2) Is the "does not untap as long as the vampire is in torpor" clause
of Wooden Stake tied to the card being in play ? Does it take effect
if Beast gets staked, or if the stake-user used Cleave (the vampire
ending up in torpor without stake in both cases) ?
Thank you !
François
PhantomLord
> 1) Psyche (superior) is a combat card, yet is played when combat is
> over (outside of combat), is that right ?
> If so, can one play Botched Move as superior Psyche is played ?
Psyche! is played at the end of combat, not outside of combat, so,
yeah, I think you can play Botched Move. Combat is still in motion,
but when you play Psyche (which is at the end of combat), it starts
another combat.
> 2) Is the "does not untap as long as the vampire is in torpor" clause
> of Wooden Stake tied to the card being in play ? Does it take effect
> if Beast gets staked, or if the stake-user used Cleave (the vampire
> ending up in torpor without stake in both cases) ?
Um, if Beast gets staked, ergo, he took more than one damage with the
Stake, then the Wooden Stake goes to Beast and it has its effect on
Beast even though there's a clause that Beast cannot have or use
equipment. It would be logical because of the nature of the Wooden
Stake. I mean, it is transferred to Beast, but I don't think he takes
control over it while he's in torpor.
On the other hand, why wouldn't Wooden Stake be transferred to a
vampire if an imbued uses Cleave? Because it says to burn the weapon
after the action? I think that it has effect only if the control of
Wooden Stake didn't change. But it did. The imbued doesn't control the
Stake anymore, but neither does the vamp (until it gets out of
torpor).
Even so, I think LSJ will clarify this better than me.
LSJ
>> 1) Psyche (superior) is a combat card, yet is played when combat is
>> over (outside of combat), is that right ?
>> If so, can one play Botched Move as superior Psyche is played ?
>
> Psyche! is played at the end of combat, not outside of combat, so,
> yeah, I think you can play Botched Move. Combat is still in motion,
> but when you play Psyche (which is at the end of combat), it starts
> another combat.
Psyche! (and Coordinate Attacks)( are played after combat ends.
Botched Move can be played when any combat card is played, even ones like Psyche!
>> 2) Is the "does not untap as long as the vampire is in torpor" clause
>> of Wooden Stake tied to the card being in play ? Does it take effect
>> if Beast gets staked, or if the stake-user used Cleave (the vampire
>> ending up in torpor without stake in both cases) ?
>
> Um, if Beast gets staked, ergo, he took more than one damage with the
> Stake, then the Wooden Stake goes to Beast and it has its effect on
> Beast even though there's a clause that Beast cannot have or use
> equipment. It would be logical because of the nature of the Wooden
> Stake. I mean, it is transferred to Beast, but I don't think he takes
> control over it while he's in torpor.
It doesn't go to Beast -- it gets burned.
At any rate, the no-untap effect is not tied to the card being in play.