{LSJ} Ashur Tablets Q
Kevin M.
1. Must you announce the 1+12 (or whatever) cards *as you play* the
third Ashur Tablets, or after the as-played window is closed,
e.g. when the effect happens?
2. It would seem that the "up to" clarifier, as with all other cards,
would allow you to choose zero, or play a third Ashur Tablets with
zero cards in your ashheap, and simply gain the 3 pool, but the
"Must move..." sentence seems to say that you *must move*...,
i.e. you cannot choose zero. Was this just an oversight in wording
or are you forced to choose at lesat 1 card, i.e. you cannot play
a third Ashur Tablet with an ash heap of zero?
Ashur Tablets
Master
Put this card in play. If you have three copies in play, remove all
copies in play (even controlled by other Methuselahs) from the game
to gain 3 pool and choose up to thirteen cards from your ash heap.
Move one of those cards to your hand and shuffle the others into
your library.
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LSJ
> LSJ,
>
> 1. Must you announce the 1+12 (or whatever) cards *as you play* the
> third Ashur Tablets, or after the as-played window is closed,
> e.g. when the effect happens?
Neither. The "when 3 are in play" effect is an effect of the card in play, not
of the card being played.
Announce play
Resolve as-played (Sudden Reversal, &c.)
Resolve play (The effect happens: "Put this card in play")
Then the card is in play, making three, so:
Handle the 3-in-play effect.
> 2. It would seem that the "up to" clarifier, as with all other cards,
> would allow you to choose zero, or play a third Ashur Tablets with
> zero cards in your ashheap, and simply gain the 3 pool, but the
> "Must move..." sentence seems to say that you *must move*...,
> i.e. you cannot choose zero. Was this just an oversight in wording
> or are you forced to choose at lesat 1 card, i.e. you cannot play
> a third Ashur Tablet with an ash heap of zero?
No oversight.
1) Effects a card might produce from being in play do not hinder the play of the
card, even if the in-play effect will lack a target.
2) Once there are three in play, the effect happens, targets or no. It is not an
optional effect.
Kevin M.
Your 1) would seem to indicate that you could, fr.ex. play a card like
Toreador Grand Ball with only 1 Toreador in-play (to facilitate the
playing of the card in the first place) even though you can't properly
play the card to resloution, right? Since the effect the card might
produce -- choose 2 Toreador, to... -- isn't an issue at the time you
play the card, just like how you can play AT with an empty ash heap.
And your 2) saying 'targets or no' seems to confirm this, right?
Also, Border Skirmish with at least one opponent with a 0-card hand.
Or is it that AT's "...up to..." allows you to play a 3rd AT with
an ashheap of 0 cards, since 0 is up to 13, whereas TBG specifies
two and only two?
Or, if I'm totally wrong, could you explain in a few sentences what
I'm getting wrong? Thanks.
LSJ
No. Choosing two Toreadors is an effect of playing the card. You don't get to
choose any two Toreador willy-nilly whenever you like while the card is in play.
> Since the effect the card might
> produce -- choose 2 Toreador, to... -- isn't an issue at the time you
> play the card,
It is.
> just like how you can play AT with an empty ash heap.
> And your 2) saying 'targets or no' seems to confirm this, right?
No.
> Also, Border Skirmish with at least one opponent with a 0-card hand.
Border Skirmish is never in play. All of its effects are from being played.