LSJ quick question

Reyda

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Jun 11, 2001, 4:02:24 PM6/11/01

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Hi there !
so now it's illegal to contest my own cards.
I hve 2 vamps ready : Anson and Anneke with the soul gem on her.
question 1 : Anneke is burned in combat. soul gem triggers. next vamp in the
crypt is anson. He is put in play... How is the contest handled ??
Question 2 : I put Vast wealth on Anson. he takes the aciton to equip with
... the soul gem. What happens ?
Question 3 : I'm contesting the soul gem with a vamp controlled by another
methuselah. I play "Temptation of Greater Power" thanks to Anneke. I gain
control of that vamp. How is the contest handled ?

I may think if you contest by accident, you'll use the old rules... am i
wrong ?

reyda

James Coupe

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Jun 11, 2001, 4:25:10 PM6/11/01

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In message <9g37mr$4bk$1...@hadron.noos.net>, Reyda <re...@noos.fr> writes

>I hve 2 vamps ready : Anson and Anneke with the soul gem on her.
>question 1 : Anneke is burned in combat. soul gem triggers. next vamp in the
>crypt is anson. He is put in play... How is the contest handled ??

As per his post, the card that would cause the contest (the new one) is
burned.

"simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card."

>Question 2 : I put Vast wealth on Anson. he takes the aciton to equip with
>... the soul gem. What happens ?

Same again.

>Question 3 : I'm contesting the soul gem with a vamp controlled by another
>methuselah. I play "Temptation of Greater Power" thanks to Anneke. I gain
>control of that vamp. How is the contest handled ?

From "simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card" I would be
tempted to rule that you burn the copy on the vampire you just stole.

LSJ may want to review this for consistency.

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Marc Gabriele

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Jun 11, 2001, 4:27:42 PM6/11/01

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, James Coupe wrote:

> In message <9g37mr$4bk$1...@hadron.noos.net>, Reyda <re...@noos.fr> writes
> >I hve 2 vamps ready : Anson and Anneke with the soul gem on her.
> >question 1 : Anneke is burned in combat. soul gem triggers. next vamp in the
> >crypt is anson. He is put in play... How is the contest handled ??
>
> As per his post, the card that would cause the contest (the new one) is
> burned.
>
> "simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card."
>

Would this re-trigger Soul Gem's effect text?

Marc Gabriele

James Coupe

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Jun 11, 2001, 4:32:07 PM6/11/01

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In message
<Pine.SUN.3.96L.101061...@alycia.dementia.org>, Marc
Gabriele <goo...@dementia.org> writes

>> >I hve 2 vamps ready : Anson and Anneke with the soul gem on her.
>> >question 1 : Anneke is burned in combat. soul gem triggers. next vamp in the
>> >crypt is anson. He is put in play... How is the contest handled ??
>>
>> As per his post, the card that would cause the contest (the new one) is
>> burned.
>>
>> "simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card."
>>
> Would this re-trigger Soul Gem's effect text?

Since the incoming copy of the unique card is the Soul Gem, by
implication I meant "burn the new copy of the Soul Gem". Sorry for not
being clearer.

Since the Gem is burned, not the bearer, it wouldn't trigger.

Gomi no Sensei

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Jun 11, 2001, 4:34:11 PM6/11/01

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In article <9g37mr$4bk$1...@hadron.noos.net>, Reyda <re...@noos.fr> wrote:
>Hi there !
>so now it's illegal to contest my own cards.
>I hve 2 vamps ready : Anson and Anneke with the soul gem on her.
>question 1 : Anneke is burned in combat. soul gem triggers. next vamp in the
>crypt is anson. He is put in play... How is the contest handled ??

The incoming Anson is burned. It's unclear if this re-triggers the Gem, but
I think it does.

>Question 2 : I put Vast wealth on Anson. he takes the aciton to equip with
>... the soul gem. What happens ?

As with finding a Sport Bike when you already have one, the new Gem is
burned and you've wasted an action.

>Question 3 : I'm contesting the soul gem with a vamp controlled by another
>methuselah. I play "Temptation of Greater Power" thanks to Anneke. I gain
>control of that vamp. How is the contest handled ?

Hm. I think the incoming Gem is burned, but given that it's already contested,
I'm not sure. I'll let LSJ handle that one.

>I may think if you contest by accident, you'll use the old rules... am i
>wrong ?

Yep. The rule says if you contest with yourself through some tricky
control transfer mechanism or suchlike, the incoming copy is burned.

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James Coupe

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Jun 11, 2001, 4:37:56 PM6/11/01

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In message <segb6rGH...@obeah.demon.co.uk>, James Coupe
<ja...@zephyr.org.uk> writes

>Since the incoming copy of the unique card is the Soul Gem, by
>implication I meant "burn the new copy of the Soul Gem". Sorry for not
>being clearer.

Oh bah, wrong example. Damnit.

James Coupe

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Jun 11, 2001, 4:38:42 PM6/11/01

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In message <9g3a03$u4u$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com>, Gomi no Sensei
<go...@best.com> writes

>The incoming Anson is burned. It's unclear if this re-triggers the Gem, but
>I think it does.

Since the incoming Anson never went into play (and was merely
"incoming") I'd be tempted to rule that he never got the Soul Gem put on
him.

LSJ

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Jun 12, 2001, 8:46:58 AM6/12/01

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James Coupe wrote:
>
> In message <9g37mr$4bk$1...@hadron.noos.net>, Reyda <re...@noos.fr> writes
> >I hve 2 vamps ready : Anson and Anneke with the soul gem on her.
> >question 1 : Anneke is burned in combat. soul gem triggers. next vamp in the
> >crypt is anson. He is put in play... How is the contest handled ??
>
> As per his post, the card that would cause the contest (the new one) is
> burned.
>
> "simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card."
>
> >Question 2 : I put Vast wealth on Anson. he takes the aciton to equip with
> >... the soul gem. What happens ?
>
> Same again.
>
> >Question 3 : I'm contesting the soul gem with a vamp controlled by another
> >methuselah. I play "Temptation of Greater Power" thanks to Anneke. I gain
> >control of that vamp. How is the contest handled ?
>
> From "simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card" I would be
> tempted to rule that you burn the copy on the vampire you just stole.
>
> LSJ may want to review this for consistency.

Correct on all counts.

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LSJ

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Jun 12, 2001, 8:48:48 AM6/12/01

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Yes.

LSJ

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Jun 12, 2001, 8:50:38 AM6/12/01

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James Coupe wrote:
>
> In message <9g3a03$u4u$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com>, Gomi no Sensei
> <go...@best.com> writes
> >The incoming Anson is burned. It's unclear if this re-triggers the Gem, but
> >I think it does.
>
> Since the incoming Anson never went into play (and was merely
> "incoming") I'd be tempted to rule that he never got the Soul Gem put on
> him.

That's a fair idea, but it seems likely to eventually lead to some
headaches.
I'll put it on the RT list for review.

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MadCat

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Jun 13, 2001, 12:53:54 PM6/13/01

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Vamp A blleds Methuselah controlling Vamp B. B (untapped) attempts to block
and A plays superior Faceless Night (tapping B).
The question: is B allowed to use a Deflection at this time (even if
tapped)?

LSJ

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Jun 13, 2001, 6:11:29 PM6/13/01

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Seems this question was answered very recently, actually.

B is also allowed to play, for instance, a +intercept reaction card.
This is because FN doesn't tap B immediately (which would preclude
him from blocking or playing +intercept or any other reaction). B
is tapped only when his controller announces "I don't block" or
when some other block is successful.

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