This one question might look rather dumb, but I'd like to check
anyway :
What happens if one plays Frenzy (Out-of-Turn.Frenzy.Only usable
before range is chosen. Choose a vampire in combat. In this round,
that vampire cannot use equipment and cannot use presses to end
combat. This round has a press, only usable to continue combat.) on a
vampire immune to Frenzy cards (Since this is possible since
07-07-2007 rulings) :
a) absolutely nothing for obvious reasons ?
or
b) the round has a press to continue, for that particular effect is
environmental and does not enter in the scope of the vampire's
immunity ?
Thank you,
Francois
If the vampire is immune to Frenzy, then he is not a valid target, and
the card cannot be played
This is wrong. There's a difference between immunity to an effect, or
being an illegal target.
For example, if a vampire is immune for non-aggravated damage, you may
still attempt to inflict it.
Same goes for frenzy cards. There are cards that prevent the playing
of frenzy cards (say, armor of caine's fury) and those that make you
immune to the effects of frenzy cards. Check cardtext for individual
cases ;)
The second option doesn't make it an illegal target.
Cheers,
Bram
I would say the round having a press is not an effect targetting that
specific vampire, and this would not enter in the scope of the
vampire's immunity.
Cheers,
B
b.
It would.
> It seems that both don't affect the specific vampire, and so don't
> enter the scope of the vampire's immunity.
OK.
So if a Rotschreck is played as a vampire attempts to inflict
aggravated damage to another vampire, combat will end, even if the
second vampire is immune to frenzy cards?
That is indeed what follows from LSJ's answers.
Cheers,
Bram
And if this is the case, does the vampire "targeted" by Rotschreck
still go to torpor after combat ends? (I hope not, as that mostly
wallpapers the mostly-already-wallpapered anti-frenzy cards.)
John Eno
I don't think so. The "targeted" Vampire is immune to Frenzy cards, so
Rötschreck isn't "put on [him]".
So the "This vampire is tapped and sent to torpor" and so text doesn't
occur (since "this" refers to no vampire).
If it affects the immune vampire, the immune vampire is immune to the
effects of the frenzy card. :P
So no. It doesn't change anything of the status of the vampire, which
is immune to the effects. It affects the combat. Ending it.
Cheers,
B