Grandest Trick and infernal disciplines.

Baaliprimogen

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Feb 18, 2010, 4:29:17 PM2/18/10

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If a Infernal kiasyd with, say, Maleficia, does an action and then
playes Grandest Trick. What happens?
1. Maleficia Master card burn, 'cos it's not a Infernal Vampire
anymore.
2. He may play Maleficia cards, since it's not a discipline.
3. as 2 above, but not able to use cards with bloodcost.
4. Something completly different.

Maleficia
Type: Master
Master: trifle.
Put this card on an infernal vampire. This vampire may play cards that
require Maleficia [mal] (not a Discipline). With two of these cards,
he or she may play cards that require superior Maleficia [MAL]. Burn
this card if this vampire is not infernal.

Grandest Trick, The
Type: Action Modifier
Requires: Kiasyd
Cost: 2 blood
Only usable when an action is announced.
Vampires cannot block this minion. This acting vampire is treated as a
mortal ally for the duration of the action (cannot spend or burn
blood, cannot use Disciplines, will burn if reduced to 0 life, etc.).
This vampire's blood represents his or her life while he or she is an
ally. Only usable on an action that doesn't cost blood or require a
vampire, clan or Discipline. Burn option.

The Lasombra

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Feb 18, 2010, 4:34:15 PM2/18/10

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On Feb 18, 4:29 pm, Baaliprimogen wrote:
> If a Infernal kiasyd with, say, Maleficia, does an action and then
> playes Grandest Trick. What happens?

4. Your soul is immediately purchased by the nearest demon for the
cost of making your opponents go, "huh?".

> 2. He may play Maleficia cards, since it's not a discipline.

This one.

witness1

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Feb 18, 2010, 5:31:27 PM2/18/10

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Not quite: "This _vampire_ may play cards that require Maleficia
[mal]."

-witness1

LSJ

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Feb 18, 2010, 6:00:10 PM2/18/10

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Correct.

Juggernaut1981

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Feb 18, 2010, 6:42:04 PM2/18/10

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Won't this result in Maleficia vanishing anyway? It's no longer a
vampire...

The Lasombra

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Feb 18, 2010, 6:58:28 PM2/18/10

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On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:42:04 -0800 (PST), Juggernaut1981 wrote:

>Won't this result in Maleficia vanishing anyway? It's no longer a
>vampire...

Maleficia only cards about Infernal.
Grandest Trick doesn't remove the infernal status.

In any case, the judge will simply disqualify you for failing to play
to win if you pull out any part of this combo so it is all moot.

LSJ

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Feb 18, 2010, 8:04:07 PM2/18/10

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On Feb 18, 6:58 pm, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:42:04 -0800 (PST), Juggernaut1981 wrote:
> >Won't this result in Maleficia vanishing anyway? It's no longer a
> >vampire...
>
> Maleficia only cards about Infernal.
> Grandest Trick doesn't remove the infernal status.

Indeed. Moreover, it only cares about infernal when on a vampire. When
on an ally (Grandest Trick), it won't even look to see if the ally is
infernal or not. "Burn this card if this vampire is not infernal." not
"Burn this card if this minion is not infernal" or "Burn this card if
this minion is not a vampire" or somesuch.

John Whelan

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Feb 18, 2010, 8:10:05 PM2/18/10

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The Lasombra wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:42:04 -0800 (PST), Juggernaut1981 wrote:
>
> >Won't this result in Maleficia vanishing anyway? It's no longer a
> >vampire...
>

> Maleficia only cares about Infernal.

> Grandest Trick doesn't remove the infernal status.

It could, if the infernal status came (say) from The Textbook
Damnation. But even in that case, the vampire's Maleficia cards would
be safe: their burn-clause only applies to vampires.