Path of death and soul again
Henrik Isaksson
> vol...@yahoo.com (Eric Simon) writes:
>>Path of Death and the Soul
>>Unique Master
>>Put this card in play. When a minion controlled by another Methusaleh
>>is burned, you may tap this card to search your library (shuffle
>>afterward), ash heap or hand for a Master: Discipline card. Move 1
>>blood from the blood bank and that card to a ready vampire you
>>control.
>
> What happens if you have no legal targets for the discipline cards you
> have? (All your available vamps have superior whatever.)
>
> Do you just get the blood without the card, or will the blood fizzle also?
> The wording seems to imply the latter.
The wording effects the former. The latter would require something like
"Move that card to a ready vampire to move a blood from the blood bank to
that vampire".
>>
What happens with the skillcard if you find a presence skillcard and all your vampires have
superiour? Discarded, or are you not allowed to choose that card?
Also, are you allowed to "not find" a skill card and still get the blood if you have a legal
skillcard avaliable? In my anarch aabt-kindred deck I need to have a few vampires stay at capacity 4
for the firebrands to work... =)
/henrik isaksson
LSJ
> Janne Hägglund wrote:
>>vol...@yahoo.com (Eric Simon) writes:
>>>Path of Death and the Soul
>>>Unique Master
>>>Put this card in play. When a minion controlled by another Methusaleh
>>>is burned, you may tap this card to search your library (shuffle
>>>afterward), ash heap or hand for a Master: Discipline card. Move 1
>>>blood from the blood bank and that card to a ready vampire you
>>>control.
>>
>> What happens if you have no legal targets for the discipline cards you
>>have? (All your available vamps have superior whatever.)
>>
>> Do you just get the blood without the card, or will the blood fizzle also?
>>The wording seems to imply the latter.
>
> The wording effects the former. The latter would require something like
> "Move that card to a ready vampire to move a blood from the blood bank to
> that vampire".
That looks like a quote from me, actually.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3FB822A2.2090509%40white-wolf.com
Try adding an attribution and then using "Paste as quotation" or manually
inserting leading quote indicators if you're quoting from an article from a
newsreader that won't allow you to follow-up directly. That way you won't
lose attributions, which can be important.
At any rate, it doesn't look like you're using any of the quoted context,
except for the card itself, so:
Henrik Isaksson wrote:
> [Re: Path of Death and the Soul]
> What happens with the skillcard if you find a presence skillcard and all your vampires have
> superiour? Discarded, or are you not allowed to choose that card?
Not choosable.
> Also, are you allowed to "not find" a skill card and still get the blood if you have a legal
> skillcard avaliable?
Yes.
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David Wilson
Minion controlled by another meth is burned. I then tap D&S, search my
library for Presence, BUT all of my vampires have superior presence, do I
A) Discard it
B) Shuffle it back into my deck?
C) Not allowed to seach for a presence card
thanks
LSJ
?
That question was answered explicitly in the article you just followed-up to.
David Wilson
> That question was answered explicitly in the article you just followed-up
to.
Sorry
salem
scrawled:
>Henrik Isaksson wrote:
>> Also, are you allowed to "not find" a skill card and still get the blood if you have a legal
>> skillcard avaliable?
>
>Yes.
In general, you are always allowed to choose to fail to find something
you search for in your library, even if it actually is in there. :)
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From: LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com)
Subject: Re: related q
Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
Date: 2001-06-04 18:46:02 PST
Roger Carhult wrote:
> "Jason Bell" <Jason...@mail.com> wrote in message
> > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote
> > > > However, if the card states you must obtain equipment from the deck,
> > > > then this would mean that you couldn't.
> > > You would be able to "search" for equipment and fail to find it, sure.
> >
> > One more related question. Are you allowed to "not search very hard"
> > and fail to find equipment that is actually in your library? This is
> > important for a diminished library where you just want to shuffle.
>
> Or are you allowed to skip the searching at all? If you know that there's no
> equipment and everyone takes your word for it (to save time).
Yes to both. Enforcing other options is not really tenable.
You'd still have to shuffle, however, since you've still ostensibly
"searched"
your library.
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salem
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John Flournoy
Note also that you do not have to declare "I am searching my Library
for a Presence master" - you're simply searching for any Master:
Discipline card. Whether or not you find the one you want, unless it
comes into play, you don't have to declare the specific Discipline
you're looking for.
-John Flournoy
Tetragrammaton
"salem" <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:qesctv84smasau3ar...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:53:05 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
> scrawled:
>
> >Henrik Isaksson wrote:
>
> >> Also, are you allowed to "not find" a skill card and still get the
blood if you have a legal
> >> skillcard avaliable?
> >
> >Yes.
>
> In general, you are always allowed to choose to fail to find something
> you search for in your library, even if it actually is in there. :)
>
??
In the specific case (path of death and the soul)
Isn't mandatory the part that reads
"*Move* 1 blood from the blood bank and that card to a ready vampire you
control" ?
It does not say "you MAY move 1 blood ...etcetera", so
what makes, in this case, the move "1 blood & discipline card"
an option and not a must do ?
thanks
Emiliano, v:ekn prince of Rome
LSJ
> In the specific case (path of death and the soul)
> Isn't mandatory the part that reads
> "*Move* 1 blood from the blood bank and that card to a ready vampire you
> control" ?
> It does not say "you MAY move 1 blood ...etcetera", so
> what makes, in this case, the move "1 blood & discipline card"
> an option and not a must do ?
[big snip of unused quoted material - please quote responsibly]
Moving a blood is mandatory.
Moving the Discipline card found is mandatory.
If you don't find one (and you can choose not to, as with any search, as noted),
then there's nothing to move. Parallel to moving a blood from an empty vampire.
--
LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Tetragrammaton
news:3FD8C7D...@white-wolf.com...
> Tetragrammaton wrote:
> > In the specific case (path of death and the soul)
> > Isn't mandatory the part that reads
> > "*Move* 1 blood from the blood bank and that card to a ready vampire you
> > control" ?
> > It does not say "you MAY move 1 blood ...etcetera", so
> > what makes, in this case, the move "1 blood & discipline card"
> > an option and not a must do ?
>
> [big snip of unused quoted material - please quote responsibly]
>
> Moving a blood is mandatory.
>
> Moving the Discipline card found is mandatory.
>
> If you don't find one (and you can choose not to, as with any search, as
noted),
Sorry but... how i can choose to *not* find it, if there's the actual card
in there ?....
I *may* not since , as stated, the "move" part seems not optional at all.
Actually, the option, *you may tap* seems to stop just
here (you *may* --> tap this card.. <-- option ends here ),
the rest (to search....move....etc)
reads quite mandatory to me.
just my two cents
Emiliano, v:ekn Prince of Rome
<snip>
> --
LSJ
> Sorry but... how i can choose to *not* find it, if there's the actual card
> in there ?....
Simple. You don't find it.
See previously cited article for more.
Tetragrammaton
> Tetragrammaton wrote:
> > Sorry but... how i can choose to *not* find it, if there's the actual
card
> > in there ?....
>
> Simple. You don't find it.
Sorry to bother, but i can't see how this is supported by the path
of dead and soul text
> See previously cited article for more.
>
Don't understand well which article: all that i can find
in this 3D is a link to the same 3D
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3FB822A2.2090509%40white-wolf.com
and not about my question, that is:
which part of dead and the soul text make the
"finding" an option ?
"...you may tap (<--option) this card *to search* your library (shuffle
afterward), ash heap or hand *for* ...."
Still, i read that part as a must do (to search.....for) so i can't see
what makes optional the *search...for* the actual card, if it's
really in the deck i'm searching for.
Am i allowed to not find if there's the actual card in there
vith coroner contacts, summon the serpent, the summoning, and so on ?
Anyway, path of dead and soul reads
still reads "...tap this card *to*... "--->(must do stuff here),
so it seems that the finding is a must
if the card is in the deck.
Similar wording on other cards (do X *to* do Y)
make the Y part after the *to* a must, not an option.
Am i allowed *to not* untap after i burn a blood,
or to not block after the untap, under Second Tradition ?
thanks
Emiliano
> --
LSJ
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:3FD9BC45...@white-wolf.com...
>
> Sorry to bother, but i can't see how this is supported by the path
> of dead and soul text
You go looking (you search). You miss it. You overlook it. You don't find
it.
> Still, i read that part as a must do (to search.....for) so i can't see
> what makes optional the *search...for* the actual card, if it's
> really in the deck i'm searching for.
Searching is not the same as finding.
You must search. If you fail to find (even if the card was in there), you
fail to find.
> Am i allowed to not find if there's the actual card in there
> vith coroner contacts, summon the serpent, the summoning, and so on ?
Yes.
> Anyway, path of dead and soul reads
> still reads "...tap this card *to*... "--->(must do stuff here),
> so it seems that the finding is a must
> if the card is in the deck.
It is not. Searching is a must.
> Similar wording on other cards (do X *to* do Y)
> make the Y part after the *to* a must, not an option.
> Am i allowed *to not* untap after i burn a blood,
> or to not block after the untap, under Second Tradition ?
Of course not.
Tetragrammaton
> Tetragrammaton wrote:
> > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> > news:3FD9BC45...@white-wolf.com...
> >>Simple. You don't find it.
> >
> > Sorry to bother, but i can't see how this is supported by the path
> > of dead and soul text
>
> You go looking (you search). You miss it. You overlook it. You don't find
> it.
>
> > Still, i read that part as a must do (to search.....for) so i can't see
> > what makes optional the *search...for* the actual card, if it's
> > really in the deck i'm searching for.
>
> Searching is not the same as finding.
> You must search. If you fail to find (even if the card was in there), you
> fail to find.
>
> > Am i allowed to not find if there's the actual card in there
> > vith coroner contacts, summon the serpent, the summoning, and so on ?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Anyway, path of dead and soul reads
> > still reads "...tap this card *to*... "--->(must do stuff here),
> > so it seems that the finding is a must
> > if the card is in the deck.
>
> It is not. Searching is a must.
>
But that would be true even if there's just a card
left in my library, and it's the actual card "have to" search
for ?
I would be still free to not "find" it ?
thanks again
Emiliano
> --
LSJ
>>>so it seems that the finding is a must
>>>if the card is in the deck.
>>
>>It is not. Searching is a must.
>>
> left in my library, and it's the actual card "have to" search
> for ?
> I would be still free to not "find" it ?
Of course.
Otherwise, the rules/rulings would have to state the cutoff point.