[LSJ] Gratiano
Dingo D. Dog
about this wonderfull Lasombra Priscus.
Question 1
<quote from online rulebook 6.3.3>
Each ready priscus provides one vote for this sub-referendum, and no other
votes may be used in this sub-referendum.
</quote>
Does this mean even Gratiano has only 1 vote ?
Question 2
If the anwser to question 1 is that he has an extra vote in during the
prisci block, does he still have that extra vote (in the Prisci block) when
he isn't a Priscus anymore ?
Question 3
Or if he becomes a Camarilla Vampire ?
Just something strange I couldn't find more info about (though I vaguely
recall that there was some ruling about)
Sander
James Coupe
Gratiano has one vote from his title. He has an *additional* vote from
his card text.
>Question 2
>If the anwser to question 1 is that he has an extra vote in during the
>prisci block, does he still have that extra vote (in the Prisci block) when
>he isn't a Priscus anymore ?
Yup. some people have planned evil things involving Regent.
>Question 3
>Or if he becomes a Camarilla Vampire ?
There's nothing stopping it - he just gets an extra vote he may cast,
circumventing the usual rules on the Priscus vote.
Usually, you can only use the titled votes. But Gratiano's text will
give him an extra vote all the time (Seeds of Corruption excepted).
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>
> Gratiano has one vote from his title. He has an *additional* vote from
> his card text.
Correct.
> >Question 2
> >If the anwser to question 1 is that he has an extra vote in during the
> >prisci block, does he still have that extra vote (in the Prisci block) when
> >he isn't a Priscus anymore ?
>
> Yup. some people have planned evil things involving Regent.
Correct.
> >Question 3
> >Or if he becomes a Camarilla Vampire ?
>
> There's nothing stopping it - he just gets an extra vote he may cast,
> circumventing the usual rules on the Priscus vote.
>
> Usually, you can only use the titled votes. But Gratiano's text will
> give him an extra vote all the time (Seeds of Corruption excepted).
Correct. He can still only cast the vote when ready (not in torpor), though.
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Chris Berger
"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message
news:9M67ooRQ...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk...
> In message <a66khb$gme$1...@dinkel.civ.utwente.nl>, Dingo D. Dog
> <bl...@mail.net> writes:
> >Does this mean even Gratiano has only 1 vote ?
>
> Gratiano has one vote from his title. He has an *additional* vote from
> his card text.
>
lost, is he still considered "titled"? Vampires with (2 votes) or even (1 vote) are
considered titled, so is the ex-Prisci Gratiano with 1 vote titled or not?
Halcyan 2
>contested and
>lost, is he still considered "titled"? Vampires with (2 votes) or even (1
>vote) are
>considered titled, so is the ex-Prisci Gratiano with 1 vote titled or not?
No, he is not considered titled. Only *Independent* vampires with printed text
"2 votes" or "1 vote" are considered titled.
Similarly, if Genevieve loses her title (gains Archbishop then loses it), her
special does not give her a title. Stefano does not have a title and Aziz's
status counter special does not intrinsically give him a title (his title is
separate).
Halcyan 2
James Coupe
<ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:
>If Gratiano becomes an Archbishop and then has that Archbishop title contested and
>lost, is he still considered "titled"? Vampires with (2 votes) or even (1 vote) are
>considered titled, so is the ex-Prisci Gratiano with 1 vote titled or not?
His additional vote is not a title. This would involve him having two
titles - Priscus and "extra vote" - which is not possible.
Chris Berger
"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020307014620...@mb-dh.aol.com...
> >If Gratiano becomes an Archbishop and then has that Archbishop title
> >contested and
> >lost, is he still considered "titled"? Vampires with (2 votes) or even (1
> >vote) are
> >considered titled, so is the ex-Prisci Gratiano with 1 vote titled or not?
>
>
> No, he is not considered titled. Only *Independent* vampires with printed text
> "2 votes" or "1 vote" are considered titled.
>
I find the ruling that "2 votes" is a title to be highly counterintuitive. =P
LSJ
> > "2 votes" or "1 vote" are considered titled.
> >
> So if Kephamos changes clans to Ventrue he loses his 2 votes?
No. The title is not sect-based.
> I find the ruling that "2 votes" is a title to be highly counterintuitive. =P
It's a rule, not a ruling. [6.3.4]
Halcyan 2
>text
>> "2 votes" or "1 vote" are considered titled.
>>
>So if Kephamos changes clans to Ventrue he loses his 2 votes?
>
>I find the ruling that "2 votes" is a title to be highly counterintuitive.
>=P
No, actually Kephamos keeps his title.
The "Independent titles" so to speak are not sect or clan specific.
I think the ruling of "2 votes" being a title is a good thing. Imagine the
Amisa, Kephamos, and Sutekh each getting a Writ and a Praxis Seizure. Now they
each should have 4 votes? I don't know about that...
Halcyan 2
Chris Berger
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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>
> > I find the ruling that "2 votes" is a title to be highly counterintuitive. =P
>
> It's a rule, not a ruling. [6.3.4]
>
rulings into rules.
I'm just saying that these questions are ones that I could not really glean the
answer to when "1 vote" is a title and "one additional vote" is not a title.
James Coupe
No, this title is not tied to a sect.
However, LSJ has stated that currently no Sabbat/Camarilla titles exist
with such titles and also that none will be created. Any such vampire
who is to be given a title will be given a "proper" title.
>I find the ruling that "2 votes" is a title to be highly counterintuitive.
It's not a ruling. It's the rules.
LSJ
> >
> Sure. It is *now*.
It's been a rule since September 1998.
> Of course, you have the power to transform all of your old
> rulings into rules.
Correct.
> I'm just saying that these questions are ones that I could not really glean the
> answer to when "1 vote" is a title and "one additional vote" is not a title.
OK.
Nystulc
>>I find the ruling that "2 votes" is a title to be highly counterintuitive.
>
>It's not a ruling. It's the rules.
It was a ruling as well, of course. Like all rulings, it resulted in a rule,
which then became part of "the rules".
He considers this rule/ruling to be counterintuitive.
James Coupe
<nys...@cs.com> writes:
>It was a ruling as well, of course. Like all rulings, it resulted in a rule,
>which then became part of "the rules".
Not true. There are numerous rulings on the White Wolf page which have
not been integrated into the basic rule-book.