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Stone

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Aug 26, 2009, 7:14:58 AM8/26/09
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A vampire is stolen with Spirit Marionette. This vampire bleeds with Govern
the Unaligned.

1/ The GtU is ended with Change of Target. Temporary controlled is restored
(should be yes) ?
2/ The GtU is cancelled with Direct Intervention. Temporary control is not
restored, and the SM'ed vamp can bleed again, right ?
3/ The GtU is cancelled with Tangle Atropos' Hand. Is temporary control
restored ?

According to the 2002 RTR
(http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/399cda7d99025c44),
control is restored when the action is "cancelled" with Change of Target.
But CoT no longer "cancels" an action, it "ends" it. It shouldn't actually
change anything about CoT vs SM, I'm more wondering about DI/TAH. I have an
e-mail from 2002 that says control isn't restored in case of DI, but I'm
unsure anyway about how to handle TAH.

I guess it might be handled same as when you determine if an action
"existed" for purpose of sup. Veil the Legions, i.e. not counted in case of
DI, but counted in case of TAH.

thanks
Stone

Name: Spirit Marionette

[BL:C2, LoB:C]

Cardtype: Action

Discipline: Obeah/Dominate

[dom] (D) Bleed at +1 bleed.

[obe] (D) Bleed at +1 bleed and tap a ready minion controlled by your prey
(even if the target of the bleed is changed).

[OBE] +1 stealth action. (D) Take control of a ready untapped minion until
the end of the next action. That minion must bleed your prey unless he or
she must hunt.

Artist: Steve Prescott

Name: Direct Intervention

[Sabbat:U, SW:PB, Third:U]

Cardtype: Master

Cost: 1 pool

Master: out-of-turn.

Cancel a minion card as it is played. No cost is paid. (If it was an action
card, the acting minion doesn't tap. If it was a strike card, the minion
chooses another strike.)

Artist: Harold Arthur McNeill

Name: Tangle Atropos' Hand

[LoB:R]

Cardtype: Action Modifier

Cost: 1 blood

Discipline: Temporis/Potence

Only usable when a minion is attempting to block.

[pot] Cancel the action and untap the acting minion. (The blocking minion is
not tapped.)

[tem] As [pot] above, and take the action card, if any, back into your hand
(discard afterward).

[TEM] As [tem] above, and this vampire gets +1 stealth on his or her next
action this turn.

Artist: Jeremy McHugh


LSJ

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Aug 26, 2009, 8:12:36 AM8/26/09
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Stone wrote:
> A vampire is stolen with Spirit Marionette. This vampire bleeds with Govern
> the Unaligned.
>
> 1/ The GtU is ended with Change of Target. Temporary controlled is restored
> (should be yes) ?

The action ends, so the temporary control is ended.

> 2/ The GtU is cancelled with Direct Intervention. Temporary control is not
> restored, and the SM'ed vamp can bleed again, right ?

Temporary control is not ended, the SM'ed vampire hasn't bled yet. Xe must bleed.

> 3/ The GtU is cancelled with Tangle Atropos' Hand. Is temporary control
> restored ?

The action ends, so the temporary control is ended.

> According to the 2002 RTR
> (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/399cda7d99025c44),
> control is restored when the action is "cancelled" with Change of Target.
> But CoT no longer "cancels" an action, it "ends" it. It shouldn't actually
> change anything about CoT vs SM, I'm more wondering about DI/TAH. I have an
> e-mail from 2002 that says control isn't restored in case of DI, but I'm
> unsure anyway about how to handle TAH.
>
> I guess it might be handled same as when you determine if an action
> "existed" for purpose of sup. Veil the Legions, i.e. not counted in case of
> DI, but counted in case of TAH.

Correct.

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