Momentary Delay and Kiss of Ra
stanles
Momentary Delay?
More verbosely, Kiss of Ra says that the block attempt is cancelled,
but then goes on to say what happens to the blocking vampire. Is the
action still "blocked" enough to allow the vampire to then play Kiss
of Ra, or because Kiss of Ra says the block attempt is cancelled is
the action not blocked, thereby not allowing Momentary Delay to be
played?
The Kiss of Ra
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Cost: 3 blood
Discipline: Fortitude
Only usable when a vampire who does not have Fortitude attempts to
block this acting minion.
[for] The block attempt is canceled, the blocking vampire burns 2
blood, and the current action is ended (without combat).
[FOR] As above, and send the blocking vampire to torpor.
Momentary Delay
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Requires a vampire with capacity 7 or more.
Only usable at the end of an action blocked by an ally or a vampire of
capacity 5 or less (after any combats). Not usable if more than one
round of combat has occurred nor if this vampire has lost 3 or more
blood this action or ended combat before the press step. The action
continues as if unblocked.
floppyzedolfin
> The basic question is: can a vampire, after playing Kiss of Ra, play
> Momentary Delay?
No.
> More verbosely, Kiss of Ra says that the block attempt is cancelled,
> but then goes on to say what happens to the blocking vampire. Is the
> action still "blocked" enough to allow the vampire to then play Kiss
> of Ra, or because Kiss of Ra says the block attempt is cancelled is
> the action not blocked, thereby not allowing Momentary Delay to be
> played?
Kiss of Ra also states that the action is ended. You can't play action
modifiers when there is no action.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/ef1afcc7098db13b
stanles
Momentary Delay starts "Only usable at the end of an action "
therefore that would seem to be playable as Kiss of Ra says "the
current action is ended".
floppyzedolfin
Once Kiss of Ra is played, the action is over. There is no tiny window
to squeeze in Momentary Delay or whatever other action modifier.
Similarly, can't play Freak Drive / Cats' Guidance after Obedience.
"Action is ended" means that it is over.
stanles
I hope you appreciate my confusion, and appreciate if I wait for a
more authoritative answer, ie from LSJ. Kiss of Ra says that the
action is "ended". It doesn't say that action is "over". "Momentary
Delay says that it is useable at the "end" of an action. Even if you
say that there is no window, the wording of Momentary Delay would seem
to create such a window.
squidalot
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Stanles Floppy is correct.
See Kiss of Ra + Freak Drive for standard ruling
(this is the latest I can trawl)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/38c4c5d3f66a50bd/f2171729658feec6?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=lsj+%2B+kiss+%2B+FREAK#f2171729658feec6
There are essentially no timing rules in VTES so a card is played and
it does its stufff - if it ends action like Kiss of Ra it means that
action ends immediately.
One an action ends there is no opportunity to play action modifiers.
wumpus
IANLSJ, but:
1) Kiss of Ra ends the action, as noted by floppy,
2) Kiss of Ra cancels the block, so the action is not blocked, as you
noted, and
3) this vampire lost 3 blood, unless xe somehow pays less for Kiss of
Ra.
So there would seem to be plenty of reasons why you can't play
Momentary Delay after Kiss of Ra.
(I guess that Kiss of Ra cancelling combat doesn't count as ending
combat before the press step, though, so there's that.)
Hope that helps,
Alex
LSJ
Correct.
stanles
But if Kiss of Ra cancels the block how is there a blocking minion to
do anything to? Kiss of Ra cancelling the block is in the first
sentence all by itself.
stanles
I'm not trying to be difficult, but it doesn't seem to make sense.
Kiss of Ra ends an action, and another card, Momentary Delay, is
playable after the end of an action ...
LSJ
>
> I'm not trying to be difficult, but it doesn't seem to make sense.
> Kiss of Ra ends an action, and another card, Momentary Delay, is
> playable after the end of an action ...
As you and wumpus both noted, Momentary Delay is not usable because it
is only usable after a blocked action, and the action in question is
not blocked.
LSJ
There must be a blocking minion in order to play Kiss of Ra.
"action is blocked" is not the same as "a minion attempts to block"
stanles
thanks Scott, that makes sense