3rd Edition Rules Questions
echia...@yahoo.com
web-site does not yet have the official spoiler with official card
text, so please excuse me if some of the wording on the new cards is
off:
#1. Raphael Catarari's card text states that he does not untap during
your untap phase if he has an odd number of blood on him. Since
untapping is the first thing you do during the untap phase, a Hunting
Ground will not immediately help him if he initially has an odd number
of blood. (i.e. Raphael has 1 blood. You have to check his blood total
before you have the chance to use a Hunting Ground on him.). Right?
#2. Mirror Walk states that if the action is blocked, the action ends
(with no combat). If a vampire is attempting to leave torpor, plays
Mirror Walk, and is then blocked, is there a chance for the blocking
minion to diablerize the acting minion? Based on prior precedents
concerning Change of Target and Obedience (which also end the action
immediately), it seems like there is no opportunity for diablerie,
correct?
#3. Similar to #2, but if the action ends due to Mirror Walk, there is
no opportunity for the acting minion to play Freak Drive or for the
blocking minion to play Cat's Guidance, correct? (Based on the Change
of Target and Obedience precedence again).
#4. In contrast, Stone Travel lets you cancel the combat if you are
blocked, but it does not explicitly end the action. Thus if a vampire
tries to leave torpor, plays Stone Travel, and is blocked, he can still
be diablerized and the reacting vampire can play Cat's Guidance to
untap. Right?
#5. There is no inherent limit to the number of levels of a discipline
a vampire may have (though normally, having greater than 2 levels of a
discipline doesn't do much for you). If Smudge has the Changeling Skin
Mask, you cannot place Obfuscate skill cards on him (due to card text),
so if the Mask is destroyed during combat, Smudge suddenly loses the
ability to play Obfuscate cards. But say Nickolai has the Changeling
Skin Mask (2 levels of Obfuscate). Assuming another of your vampires
also has superior OBF, Nickolai can take two actions with his special
to gain 2 levels of Obfuscate (now he has Level 4 Obfuscate). So if the
Changeling Skin Mask is destroyed during combat, he can still play
Obfuscate cards (since 4 - 2 = 2, so he now just has level 2
Obfuscate). Correct?
#6. I control Orlando Oriundus who has a Seeds of Corruption (the Seeds
are controlled by my predator). I call a political action with Arika,
play a Hall of Hades' Court at superior Temporis with Krassimir, and
then play a Business Pressure (in which my predator ousts himself,
meaning the Seeds of Corruption burns). Does Arika now have 8, 12, or
16 votes? (Due to Orlando + Hall of Hades' Court). Alternatively, one
could argue that while the Seeds of Corruption is on Orlando, he
doesn't double votes but his restriction (against multiplers) still
applies so I would not have been able to play the Hall anyway. LSJ?
#7. A slightly different scenario from #6. I call a political action
with Arika, play a Hall of Hades' Court with Krassimir, and now I burn
Temptation counters to gain control of Orlando (so I didn't have him at
the time I played the multiplier). Does Arika have 8, 12, or 16 votes
when the votes are tallied?
#8. Does Orlando double any votes for the prisci sub-referendum? Since
there is no explicit card text stating so (like Free States Rant), then
based on the precedence of Condemnation: Mute and Rastacourere, I would
guess that it does not double prisci votes (same thing with superior
Hall of Hades' Court). Right?
#9. Orlando (Bishop title worth 1 vote and special that doubles it) is
in combat. I want to make a hand strike with the Island of Yiaros. How
much of a strength bonus does Orlando get?
Thanks!
witness1
echia...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Just a few questions I have about some of the new cards. The White Wolf
> web-site does not yet have the official spoiler with official card
> text, so please excuse me if some of the wording on the new cards is
> off:
>
>
> #1. Raphael Catarari's card text states that he does not untap during
> your untap phase if he has an odd number of blood on him. Since
> untapping is the first thing you do during the untap phase, a Hunting
> Ground will not immediately help him if he initially has an odd number
> of blood. (i.e. Raphael has 1 blood. You have to check his blood total
> before you have the chance to use a Hunting Ground on him.). Right?
Right.
> #2. Mirror Walk states that if the action is blocked, the action ends
> (with no combat). If a vampire is attempting to leave torpor, plays
> Mirror Walk, and is then blocked, is there a chance for the blocking
> minion to diablerize the acting minion? Based on prior precedents
> concerning Change of Target and Obedience (which also end the action
> immediately), it seems like there is no opportunity for diablerie,
> correct?
Should be.
> #3. Similar to #2, but if the action ends due to Mirror Walk, there is
> no opportunity for the acting minion to play Freak Drive or for the
> blocking minion to play Cat's Guidance, correct? (Based on the Change
> of Target and Obedience precedence again).
Don't know.
> #4. In contrast, Stone Travel lets you cancel the combat if you are
> blocked, but it does not explicitly end the action. Thus if a vampire
> tries to leave torpor, plays Stone Travel, and is blocked, he can still
> be diablerized and the reacting vampire can play Cat's Guidance to
> untap. Right?
Sounds right.
> #5. There is no inherent limit to the number of levels of a discipline
> a vampire may have (though normally, having greater than 2 levels of a
> discipline doesn't do much for you). If Smudge has the Changeling Skin
> Mask, you cannot place Obfuscate skill cards on him (due to card text),
> so if the Mask is destroyed during combat, Smudge suddenly loses the
> ability to play Obfuscate cards. But say Nickolai has the Changeling
> Skin Mask (2 levels of Obfuscate). Assuming another of your vampires
> also has superior OBF, Nickolai can take two actions with his special
> to gain 2 levels of Obfuscate (now he has Level 4 Obfuscate). So if the
> Changeling Skin Mask is destroyed during combat, he can still play
> Obfuscate cards (since 4 - 2 = 2, so he now just has level 2
> Obfuscate). Correct?
Sure.
> #6. I control Orlando Oriundus who has a Seeds of Corruption (the Seeds
> are controlled by my predator). I call a political action with Arika,
> play a Hall of Hades' Court at superior Temporis with Krassimir, and
> then play a Business Pressure (in which my predator ousts himself,
> meaning the Seeds of Corruption burns). Does Arika now have 8, 12, or
> 16 votes? (Due to Orlando + Hall of Hades' Court). Alternatively, one
> could argue that while the Seeds of Corruption is on Orlando, he
> doesn't double votes but his restriction (against multiplers) still
> applies so I would not have been able to play the Hall anyway. LSJ?
I think the restriction is part of the ability. However, your predator
does not control Seeds, so it will not leave play when he is ousted.
Moot.
> #7. A slightly different scenario from #6. I call a political action
> with Arika, play a Hall of Hades' Court with Krassimir, and now I burn
> Temptation counters to gain control of Orlando (so I didn't have him at
> the time I played the multiplier). Does Arika have 8, 12, or 16 votes
> when the votes are tallied?
Probably 16, or else he'll be 'clarified' to have his text not work if
you've already played a multiplier somehow.
> #8. Does Orlando double any votes for the prisci sub-referendum? Since
> there is no explicit card text stating so (like Free States Rant), then
> based on the precedence of Condemnation: Mute and Rastacourere, I would
> guess that it does not double prisci votes (same thing with superior
> Hall of Hades' Court). Right?
Probably.
> #9. Orlando (Bishop title worth 1 vote and special that doubles it) is
> in combat. I want to make a hand strike with the Island of Yiaros. How
> much of a strength bonus does Orlando get?
Don't have him in front of me, but I think his special only applies
during a referendum, which would make it +1.
> Thanks!
Witness1
-ItE
echia...@yahoo.com
witness1 wrote:
> > #6. I control Orlando Oriundus who has a Seeds of Corruption (the Seeds
> > are controlled by my predator). I call a political action with Arika,
> > play a Hall of Hades' Court at superior Temporis with Krassimir, and
> > then play a Business Pressure (in which my predator ousts himself,
> > meaning the Seeds of Corruption burns). Does Arika now have 8, 12, or
> > 16 votes? (Due to Orlando + Hall of Hades' Court). Alternatively, one
> > could argue that while the Seeds of Corruption is on Orlando, he
> > doesn't double votes but his restriction (against multiplers) still
> > applies so I would not have been able to play the Hall anyway. LSJ?
>
> I think the restriction is part of the ability. However, your predator
> does not control Seeds, so it will not leave play when he is ousted.
> Moot.
Yes, normally you do control the Seeds since it is a minion card. But
in this hypothetical, as stated, your *predator* controls the Seeds
(done via Malkavian Time Auction for example).
> > #7. A slightly different scenario from #6. I call a political action
> > with Arika, play a Hall of Hades' Court with Krassimir, and now I burn
> > Temptation counters to gain control of Orlando (so I didn't have him at
> > the time I played the multiplier). Does Arika have 8, 12, or 16 votes
> > when the votes are tallied?
>
> Probably 16, or else he'll be 'clarified' to have his text not work if
> you've already played a multiplier somehow.
BTW: The reason I included 12 as an option is that in some games (like
d20 I believe), doubling twice just leads to a triple multiplier. I
don't think VTES has ever had to set a precedent on this so who knows?
> > #9. Orlando (Bishop title worth 1 vote and special that doubles it) is
> > in combat. I want to make a hand strike with the Island of Yiaros. How
> > much of a strength bonus does Orlando get?
>
> Don't have him in front of me, but I think his special only applies
> during a referendum, which would make it +1.
Well, Genevieve's special only works during political actions (not
during blood hunts) and Merged Jan only gets the three additional votes
during referendums as well. So based on your logic, none of them would
get any strength bonus when using the Island of Yiaros?
LSJ
> echia...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > #1. Raphael Catarari's card text states that he does not untap during
> > your untap phase if he has an odd number of blood on him. Since
> > untapping is the first thing you do during the untap phase, a Hunting
> > Ground will not immediately help him if he initially has an odd number
> > of blood. (i.e. Raphael has 1 blood. You have to check his blood total
> > before you have the chance to use a Hunting Ground on him.). Right?
> Right.
Right.
> > #2. Mirror Walk states that if the action is blocked, the action ends
> > (with no combat). If a vampire is attempting to leave torpor, plays
> > Mirror Walk, and is then blocked, is there a chance for the blocking
> > minion to diablerize the acting minion? Based on prior precedents
> > concerning Change of Target and Obedience (which also end the action
> > immediately), it seems like there is no opportunity for diablerie,
> > correct?
>
> Should be.
Correct.
> > #3. Similar to #2, but if the action ends due to Mirror Walk, there is
> > no opportunity for the acting minion to play Freak Drive or for the
> > blocking minion to play Cat's Guidance, correct? (Based on the Change
> > of Target and Obedience precedence again).
>
> Don't know.
Correct (no opportunity).
> > #4. In contrast, Stone Travel lets you cancel the combat if you are
> > blocked, but it does not explicitly end the action. Thus if a vampire
> > tries to leave torpor, plays Stone Travel, and is blocked, he can still
> > be diablerized and the reacting vampire can play Cat's Guidance to
> > untap. Right?
>
> Sounds right.
Correct.
> > #5. There is no inherent limit to the number of levels of a discipline
> > a vampire may have (though normally, having greater than 2 levels of a
> > discipline doesn't do much for you). If Smudge has the Changeling Skin
> > Mask, you cannot place Obfuscate skill cards on him (due to card text),
> > so if the Mask is destroyed during combat, Smudge suddenly loses the
> > ability to play Obfuscate cards. But say Nickolai has the Changeling
> > Skin Mask (2 levels of Obfuscate). Assuming another of your vampires
> > also has superior OBF, Nickolai can take two actions with his special
> > to gain 2 levels of Obfuscate (now he has Level 4 Obfuscate). So if the
> > Changeling Skin Mask is destroyed during combat, he can still play
> > Obfuscate cards (since 4 - 2 = 2, so he now just has level 2
> > Obfuscate). Correct?
>
> Sure.
Correct.
> > #6. I control Orlando Oriundus who has a Seeds of Corruption (the Seeds
> > are controlled by my predator). I call a political action with Arika,
> > play a Hall of Hades' Court at superior Temporis with Krassimir, and
> > then play a Business Pressure (in which my predator ousts himself,
> > meaning the Seeds of Corruption burns). Does Arika now have 8, 12, or
> > 16 votes? (Due to Orlando + Hall of Hades' Court). Alternatively, one
> > could argue that while the Seeds of Corruption is on Orlando, he
> > doesn't double votes but his restriction (against multiplers) still
> > applies so I would not have been able to play the Hall anyway. LSJ?
The latter -- the restriction is in effect.
> > #7. A slightly different scenario from #6. I call a political action
> > with Arika, play a Hall of Hades' Court with Krassimir, and now I burn
> > Temptation counters to gain control of Orlando (so I didn't have him at
> > the time I played the multiplier). Does Arika have 8, 12, or 16 votes
> > when the votes are tallied?
>
> Probably 16, or else he'll be 'clarified' to have his text not work if
> you've already played a multiplier somehow.
16 is fine, since it'll never be abusable.
> > #8. Does Orlando double any votes for the prisci sub-referendum? Since
> > there is no explicit card text stating so (like Free States Rant), then
> > based on the precedence of Condemnation: Mute and Rastacourere, I would
> > guess that it does not double prisci votes (same thing with superior
> > Hall of Hades' Court). Right?
>
> Probably.
Correct.
> > #9. Orlando (Bishop title worth 1 vote and special that doubles it) is
> > in combat. I want to make a hand strike with the Island of Yiaros. How
> > much of a strength bonus does Orlando get?
>
> Don't have him in front of me, but I think his special only applies
> during a referendum, which would make it +1.
+1, correct.