LSJ- Sudario Refraction
mat...@gmail.com
heap and move them to the top of your library. Then discard three
cards at random from your hand (and draw up to your hand size
afterward).
It is my understanding that you draw up to hand size always
(exception: cards w/ do not replace text).So if I play Sudario
Refaction (w/ a depleted libary and three cards in hand out of a
possible seven), I will choose three cards and put them at the top of
my libary and immediatly draw up to my hand size. Now I must discard
three cards at random. Correct?
Matt
LSJ
No. You play Sudario. And it resolves when played. The resolution causes you to
move cards to your ash heap and discard cards at random from your hand. After
resolving that effect, you draw up to your hand size.
mat...@gmail.com
There is very clearly a order of effects in Sudario (. Then discard
three) just like Rotschreck. It was my understanding that
(and draw up to your hand size afterward) was just to clarify that
your discard all three cards at the same time instead of one at a time
as its placement in the "equation" seems to indiciate.
Is there a draw up to hand size effect or just a replace effect (cards
played or discarded)
If there is only a replace effect, if you have a depleted libary and
play a card, do you check to replace and find that there is no card
just once or contiune to check until there is a card to replace with?
If you check just once does this reduce your hand size?
Matt
mat...@gmail.com
draw/replace?
mat...@gmail.com
> Wouldn't the draw/replace effect be continuous? When do you check to
> draw/replace?
It would seem that there is a draw up to hand size effect in the game
i.e. elder libary, year of fortune etc...
So drawing to replace it just a subset of this group. With that in
mind Sudario Refaction would not work as you stated unless you are
making a ruling that its text is incorrectly written.
i.e Do not draw up to hand size until this action is resolved. would
that also mean that you do not replace action modifers.
maybe... if this action is successful, do not draw up to hand size
until this action is resolved.
I appologize for being a pain. Me and some of my play group talked
about a deck w/ Mata Hari/Sudario Refraction/Waste Man. Op. and
decided that you would have to draw up to hand size before discarding
so I was suprised that you said otherwise.
Hoping you will get back to me with this,
Matt
Kevin M.
But if you had less than a full hand size, you'd be forced to redraw up to
your handsize after the cards were put into your empty library but before
you discarded three cards at random, correct?
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
mat...@gmail.com
heap and move them to the top of your library. Then discard three
cards at random from your hand (and draw up to your hand size
afterward).
Sudario Refraction +1 stealth action. Choose three cards in you ash
heap, move them to the top of your library and discard three
LSJ
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>> mat...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Sudario Refraction +1 stealth action. Choose three cards in you ash
>>> heap and move them to the top of your library. Then discard three
>>> cards at random from your hand (and draw up to your hand size
>>> afterward).
>>>
>>> It is my understanding that you draw up to hand size always
>>> (exception: cards w/ do not replace text).So if I play Sudario
>>> Refaction (w/ a depleted libary and three cards in hand out of a
>>> possible seven), I will choose three cards and put them at the top of
>>> my libary and immediatly draw up to my hand size. Now I must discard
>>> three cards at random. Correct?
>> No. You play Sudario. And it resolves when played. The resolution
>> causes you to move cards to your ash heap and discard cards at random
>> from your hand. After resolving that effect, you draw up to your hand
>> size.
>
> But if you had less than a full hand size, you'd be forced to redraw up to
> your handsize after the cards were put into your empty library but before
> you discarded three cards at random, correct?
That was the question above. The answer is given above.
LSJ
> On Jun 11, 11:25 am, matt...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Wouldn't the draw/replace effect be continuous? When do you check to
>> draw/replace?
No. See timings on card cancelers, for one example.
> It would seem that there is a draw up to hand size effect in the game
> i.e. elder libary, year of fortune etc...
Yes. And it is also the case that you resolve effects when they resolve.
The question is: do you interrupt effects to juxtapose a few "draw a card" effects?
The answer is: no.
> So drawing to replace it just a subset of this group. With that in
> mind Sudario Refaction would not work as you stated unless you are
> making a ruling that its text is incorrectly written.
>
> i.e Do not draw up to hand size until this action is resolved. would
> that also mean that you do not replace action modifers.
?
The action card is replaced as it is played (after announcing the terms of the
action and waiting for DI's and such and tapping the acting minion).
Other cards played prior to resolving the effect are replaced as they are played
(similarly for cards discarded prior to resolving some effect).
Eventually, though, you'll get to the resolve the action step. At which point
you apply the effect of the successful action.
mat...@gmail.com
I think it is abusable. Maybe ruling otherwise will cause problems, I
can not foresee.
Thank you,
Matt
Rehlow
So all these threads about Sudario and cards in hand less than your
hand size are incorrect?
I'm all for Sudario Refraction working with an empty hand. It will be
a big boon to twister decks.
Later,
~Rehlow
LSJ
Ah, fantastic.
I could have sworn I had made a ruling on this before, but couldn't find it.
(Apparently I had been content to let the Newsgroup Elders' answers suffice,
which is why my Googling didn't turn up anything for me.)
Thanks.
REVERSAL: Sudario's effect is stepped and interrupted as, apparently, intuition
suggests.
3 cards in hand (hand size of 7 and empty library).
Play Sudario Refraction.
Move 3 cards to library.
Immediately draw 3 cards.
Then discard 3 cards at random.
niko...@hotmail.com
> Rehlow wrote:
> > LSJ wrote:
> >> matt...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jun 11, 11:25 am, matt...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Wouldn't the draw/replace effect be continuous? When do you check to
> >>>> draw/replace?
> >> No. See timings on card cancelers, for one example.
>
> >>> It would seem that there is a draw up to hand size effect in the game
> >>> i.e. elder libary, year of fortune etc...
> >> Yes. And it is also the case that you resolve effects when they resolve.
>
> >> The question is: do you interrupt effects to juxtapose a few "draw a card" effects?
>
> >> The answer is: no.
>
> >>> So drawing to replace it just a subset of this group. With that in
> >>> mind Sudario Refaction would not work as you stated unless you are
> >>> making a ruling that its text is incorrectly written.
>
> >>> i.e Do not draw up to hand size until this action is resolved. would
> >>> that also mean that you do not replace action modifers.
> >> ?
>
> >> The action card is replaced as it is played (after announcing the terms of the
> >> action and waiting for DI's and such and tapping the acting minion).
>
> >> Other cards played prior to resolving the effect are replaced as they are played
> >> (similarly for cards discarded prior to resolving some effect).
>
> >> Eventually, though, you'll get to the resolve the action step. At which point
> >> you apply the effect of the successful action.
>
> > So all these threads about Sudario and cards in hand less than your
> > hand size are incorrect?
>
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t...
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t...
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t...
>
> Ah, fantastic.
>
> I could have sworn I had made a ruling on this before, but couldn't find it.
> (Apparently I had been content to let the Newsgroup Elders' answers suffice,
> which is why my Googling didn't turn up anything for me.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> REVERSAL: Sudario's effect is stepped and interrupted as, apparently, intuition
> suggests.
>
> 3 cards in hand (hand size of 7 and empty library).
> Play Sudario Refraction.
> Move 3 cards to library.
> Immediately draw 3 cards.
>
> - Show quoted text -
DARN!