Questions & Thoughts
Thomas Pichler
A rush action made unblockable by Day Operation. Can the target vampire
use Obedience?
I'd say no, as Day Operation says "This action cannot be blocked." (with
no restriction to "by vampires") and Obedience says "The acting vampire
is blocked".
Thoughts:
Yes, it's ye olde Meddling of Semsith again!
* Promo-only cards DO NOT draw new players.
However, they do encourage the fraction of VTES players who'd fit better
with the Magic crowd to trade them off newer players (who don't know
what promo-onlys are worth) for a fairly to very small fraction of their
worth.
[If even one of these newer players ever starts playing the game more
seriously, figures out the truth of what promo-only cards are worth, and
finds it completely and utterly impossible to ever get a copy back at a
reasonable cost, I'll be the first to encourage them to switch to Magic,
where at least, nobody lies about facts such as these anymore.]
* Promo-only cards DO encourage those who can afford it to travel.
Basically, there's nothing wrong with that, travelling to another
Storyline event probably costs more than the 50$ or whatever MoS will
fetch on e-bay.
However, if the card is actually any good, there's this money game
aspect again, you know, the bit that official reps will vigorously deny
even at the expense of their credibility.
* Meddling of Semsith IS a good promo-only card.
I played one myself in the storyline event... at a time when due to a
bad library draw, I couldn't have cared less about reducing my hand
size. And when drawing started swinging my way , the reduced hand size
didn't matter, either.
As for the effect, I can safely say that both Brujah decks in the final
went through a lot more than 7 cards during some of their turns, at
least.
Furthermore, I can safely say that I would have felt MoS being played on
me a lot more than playing it myself in a (probably too-I should have
either focused more on combat or more on votes) toolboxy titled
Nosferatu with fortitude deck, and thus dispute the claim that toolboxy
decks won't be affected by MoS.
* I've got my ONE Meddling.
So what do I care? *shrug* Oh well, if anyone out there (and don't tell
me there isn't) who traded a MoS from a newbie for something like two
Pulled Fangs (Jyhad version) is going to trade it to me for the same
price (instead of a (Dis-)arm and a leg), I don't.
Otherwise, *shrug* again. But if the newbies figure out what happened,
I'll supply the tar, feathers and cement boots, because I know I'd feel
like it in their place.
Well, we'll see if MoS indeed remains a storyline-only promo-only (very
bad idea), if WW will bother to instruct tournament organizers to
specifically inform (newer) players of the value of promo-only cards
(which I'd really like to see), and if some people on this NG will be
able to provide a more intelligent response than (what I consider)
whining about all the (what they consider) whining.
Thomas
Nystulc
>Furthermore, I can safely say that I would have felt MoS being played on
>me a lot more than playing it myself in a (probably too-I should have
>either focused more on combat or more on votes) toolboxy titled
>Nosferatu with fortitude deck, and thus dispute the claim that toolboxy
>decks won't be affected by MoS.
If you are referring to points I raised, you have mistated them. MoS, assuming
it passes, always has an effect, on both the one who plays it and its victem.
It is likely to have less of an effect on victems who play a more balanced mix
of all phases of the game (master, minion, reaction) and/or card management
aids like extra discards, then on all-reactive decks or all pro-active non-vote
decks.
This and other factors may, depending on circumstances, make Semsith a less
desirable card than many others you could have held in your hand and forced
through, like KRC for example, which, likewise, always has an effect on your
victem (including a direct oust, which Semsith cannot do).
>* I've got my ONE Meddling.
>So what do I care? *shrug* Oh well, if anyone out there (and don't tell
>me there isn't) who traded a MoS from a newbie for something like two
>Pulled Fangs (Jyhad version) is going to trade it to me for the same
>price (instead of a (Dis-)arm and a leg), I don't.
>Otherwise, *shrug* again. But if the newbies figure out what happened,
It remains to be seen how badly ripped these newbies truly were. It is not
necessarily the case that this card will forever continue to go for $50.00 on
Ebay. Personally, I'd rather have the 2 Pulled Fangs, if I had none. I expect
that, in the long run, demand for Semsith will decrease and supply to increase.
If the card is truly "broken", as some claim, it is likely to be fixed, as
Pulled Fangs was.
I dislike the type of player who tried to take advantage of newbies, but
neither do I think that tournament organizers should try to tell players what
cards should be worth or what a fair trade consists of.
LSJ
> A rush action made unblockable by Day Operation. Can the target vampire
> use Obedience?
> I'd say no, as Day Operation says "This action cannot be blocked." (with
> no restriction to "by vampires") and Obedience says "The acting vampire
> is blocked".
Yes. Obedience can be played. Likewise Brujah Frenzy could be played.
[LSJ 16-OCT-2001]
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