Redirecting bleed to myself
YY
a bleed? From what I see, only My Enemy's Enemy will allow you to do
that, or am I misreading the card texts?
Deflection
Cardtype: Reaction
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Dominate
[dom] Only usable when a minion is bleeding you [after blocks are
declined]. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other
than the controller of the acting minion. The acting minion is now
bleeding that Methuselah.
[DOM] As above, but do not tap this vampire.
Telepathic Misdirection
Cardtype: Reaction
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Auspex
[aus] +1 intercept.
[AUS] Only usable when a minion is bleeding you, after blocks are
declined. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other
than the acting minion's controller. The acting minion is now bleeding
that Methuselah.
My Enemy's Enemy
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Auspex
[aus] +1 intercept.
[AUS] Only usable when a minion controlled by your predator is
bleeding you, [after blocks are declined]. Tap this reacting vampire.
The acting minion is now bleeding your predator's predator.
Redirection
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Dominate
[dom] Only usable when a younger vampire is bleeding you, [after
blocks are declined]. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another
Methuselah other than the acting vampire's controller. That acting
vampire is now bleeding that Methuselah.
[DOM] As above, but the acting vampire can be the same age or older.
Murmur of the False Will
Cardtype: Action Modifier/Reaction
Discipline: Dominate
[dom] [ACTION MODIFIER] +1 bleed. You cannot play another action
modifier to increase this bleed amount.
[DOM] [REACTION] Only usable when a younger vampire is bleeding you,
after blocks are declined. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another
Methuselah other than the acting vampire's controller. That acting
vampire is now bleeding that Methuselah.
Lost in Translation
Cardtype: Reaction
Cost: 2 blood
Only usable when an ally or younger vampire is bleeding you, after
blocks are declined.
Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the
acting minion's controller. The acting minion is now bleeding the
chosen Methuselah. Only one Lost in Translation may be played each
action.
Vincent
you") with the further restriction "other than the acting XXX's
controller".
So you can't redirect to you nor to the controller of the acting
minion or vampire.
Chaitan
(assuming only two players left). Will there be a new "choose blocker"-
phase?
Vincent
No, because the target hasn't changed.
"If the target of a directed action is reset, a new "choose blockers"
opportunity results. [RTR 19970630]
3) Normally, there is only one opportunity to block a given action,
though
any number of minions can try to block during that window of
opportunity.
But if the target of a directed action is *changed*, this closes the
current
window of opportunity and opens a new one, even if the same player as
before would be trying to block." (emphasis mine)
YY
But it doesn't say *change*. It says *reset*, which in this context
may trigger a new choose blocker window, since the target is "set
again" to the current target.
From Dictionary.com:
re·set (rē-sět')
tr.v. re·set, re·set·ting, re·sets
1. To set again: reset a broken bone.
2. To change the reading of: reset a clock.
n. (rē'sět')
1. The act of setting again.
2. Something set again.
LSJ
> But it doesn't say *change*. It says *reset*, which in this context
> may trigger a new choose blocker window, since the target is "set
> again" to the current target.
No.
Juggernaut1981
But if the target of a directed action is changed, this closes the
current window of opportunity and opens a new one, ***even if the same
player as
before would be trying to block.***
Doesn't this indicate that if the bleed is redirected to "my
predator's predator" which also happens to be me, I get another block
window?
floppyzedolfin
> But if the target of a directed action is changed, this closes the
> current window of opportunity
No. The target changes after the block-window was closed.
> and opens a new one, ***even if the same
> player as
> before would be trying to block.***
No. A new block-window is opened when the target has changed.
> Doesn't this indicate that if the bleed is redirected to "my
> predator's predator" which also happens to be me, I get another block
> window?
No.
[Can't find anything more recent than
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/4d3b56837ef38eb5
- though I remember LSJ answering this question in the past 6 month...
searching for "MEE author:lsj" or "Enemy author:lsj" or "Lucita
author:lsj" in the GoogleGroups mainpage didn't return anything
recent...]
LSJ
> But if the target of a directed action is changed, this closes the
> current window of opportunity and opens a new one, ***even if the same
> player as
> before would be trying to block.***
>
> Doesn't this indicate that if the bleed is redirected to "my
> predator's predator" which also happens to be me, I get another block
> window?
No, since the target hasn't changed.
What that indicates is that if the target changes, even if the "who may block"
doesn't change (or is a set that overlaps the previous set of "who may block").
For bleeds, this never applies, since the only Methuselah in the "who may block"
set is the target of the bleed.
But if something like a Bum's Rush could change targets in the middle of the
action to another minion controlled by the controller of the original target,
then that ruling says that the blocking opportunity is re-set.
Juggernaut1981
LSJ> Isn't this irrelevant as I can't think of an action under the new
"Directed Action" criteria that can meet the criteria for "isn't being
targeted by they can block it still".
If an action targets "my stuff" it is directed at me, allowing me to
block. If a change happens that makes "my stuff" ineligible as a
target (e.g. I untap a minion that was going to be Harassed and it
cannot be targeted now) then I am no longer able to block and can't be
a "who may block".
If the action is a bleed action, then as you have said, the target of
the bleed is the only blocker.
That results in the last section being redundant, unless you want it
to have the effect of saying "flicking legally to yourself creates a
new window".
LSJ
> On Dec 10, 10:38 pm, LSJ<vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>> On 12/9/09 11:18 , Juggernaut1981 wrote:
>>
>>> But if the target of a directed action is changed, this closes the
>>> current window of opportunity and opens a new one, ***even if the same
>>> player as
>>> before would be trying to block.***
>>
>>> Doesn't this indicate that if the bleed is redirected to "my
>>> predator's predator" which also happens to be me, I get another block
>>> window?
>>
>> No, since the target hasn't changed.
>>
>> What that indicates is that if the target changes, even if the "who may block"
>> doesn't change (or is a set that overlaps the previous set of "who may block").
>>
>> For bleeds, this never applies, since the only Methuselah in the "who may block"
>> set is the target of the bleed.
>>
>> But if something like a Bum's Rush could change targets in the middle of the
>> action to another minion controlled by the controller of the original target,
>> then that ruling says that the blocking opportunity is re-set.
>
> LSJ> Isn't this irrelevant as I can't think of an action under the new
> "Directed Action" criteria that can meet the criteria for "isn't being
> targeted by they can block it still".
?
See the example given. Bum's Rush targeting minion A can be blocked by minion B
(both A and B being controlled by Methuselah X).