LSJ: Soul Gem and contested vampires, one more time
Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo
One player has asked me about the following situation. I found a very
similar case in this thread:
But it has a slight difference that I'd like to check.
Meth A controls Goratrix with a Soul Gem and has a Muaziz face-down due
to a contest with Meth B.
During the game, Goratrix is burned in combat. Meth A grabs the top
vampire: it is a third copy of Muaziz. What happens?
The thread above uses The Baron with the Gem and Pochtli, but states
that Pochtli is not contested prior to the new incoming copy. The
answer was that since the Gem's text says it is moved to the new copy
of Pochtli before the vampire comes to the ready region, the new
Pochtli simply burns due to the self-contesting rule, activating the
Soul Gem again (though now it will search for a vampire younger than
Pochtli, not the Baron). And then again, LSJ mentions that if the first
Pochtli was controlled by another Meth instead, the incoming copy would
enter play with the Gem and turn faced down, contested.
I'm wondering if in the Muaziz example, the fact the she is already
contested prior to Goratrix's burning makes any difference. When the
third copy of her appears, the other ones are out of play. Does the new
copy is considered to be self-contesting anyway, activating the Gem
again *right now*, or is it placed face-down until the contest ends,
potentially leaving Meth A with two ready Muaziz at untap phase and
causing the burn of the Soul Gem equipped one (since it is the latest
incoming copy)? I'd say the former.
Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo
LSJ
> Hi,
>
> One player has asked me about the following situation. I found a very
> similar case in this thread:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/2da7ba936006fb57/1a53125227720212?q=soul+gem+contested+vampire+author%3Alsj&rnum=1#1a53125227720212
>
> But it has a slight difference that I'd like to check.
>
> Meth A controls Goratrix with a Soul Gem and has a Muaziz face-down due
> to a contest with Meth B.
> During the game, Goratrix is burned in combat. Meth A grabs the top
> vampire: it is a third copy of Muaziz. What happens?
>
> The thread above uses The Baron with the Gem and Pochtli, but states
> that Pochtli is not contested prior to the new incoming copy. The
> answer was that since the Gem's text says it is moved to the new copy
> of Pochtli before the vampire comes to the ready region, the new
> Pochtli simply burns due to the self-contesting rule, activating the
> Soul Gem again (though now it will search for a vampire younger than
> Pochtli, not the Baron). And then again, LSJ mentions that if the first
> Pochtli was controlled by another Meth instead, the incoming copy would
> enter play with the Gem and turn faced down, contested.
>
> I'm wondering if in the Muaziz example, the fact the she is already
> contested prior to Goratrix's burning makes any difference. When the
No.
> third copy of her appears, the other ones are out of play. Does the new
> copy is considered to be self-contesting anyway, activating the Gem
> again *right now*, or is it placed face-down until the contest ends,
> potentially leaving Meth A with two ready Muaziz at untap phase and
> causing the burn of the Soul Gem equipped one (since it is the latest
> incoming copy)? I'd say the former.
Correct. Contested cards are only out of play with respect to
everything except being further contested. The incoming copy would
self-contest, so it burns instead (and the Gem activates anew).
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