[Q] Avoiding the pay cost for several Scarce Vamps.
DJ.Mik
penalty for influencing out a second scarce vampire of one particular
clan, and that's by clan impersonating the first scarce vamp. to
another clan.
Still, one of the guys I play with mentioned another way of avoiding
the penalty. He said that if you influenced out several scarce
vampires at the same time you wouldn't have to pay the penalty since
no scarce vamps were in play yet.
Here's my question:
Can you transfer several bloodcounters at the same time in your
influence phase ?
(Obviously, if you transfer counters one by one, when you transfer out
the second vamp. another will be in play)
Thanks
DJ.Mik
LSJ
> As far as I can see, there's only one way to avoid paying the 3-pool
> penalty for influencing out a second scarce vampire of one particular
> clan, and that's by clan impersonating the first scarce vamp. to
> another clan.
>
> Still, one of the guys I play with mentioned another way of avoiding
> the penalty. He said that if you influenced out several scarce
> vampires at the same time you wouldn't have to pay the penalty since
> no scarce vamps were in play yet.
>
> Here's my question:
> Can you transfer several bloodcounters at the same time in your
> influence phase ?
"at the same time" meaning "during your influence phase", yes.
> (Obviously, if you transfer counters one by one, when you transfer out
> the second vamp. another will be in play)
No. You don't move the vampires into play until the end of your
influence phase. [7].
Still, if two vampires are full in your uncontrolled region, you
don't move them both out simultaneously - you move them out one
by one (in whichever order you choose).
So this is not a method by which you can avoid paying a scarce
penalty.
See also bringing two Jimmy Dunn's into play "simultaneously"
(the second one still burns the first).
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Xian
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> As far as I can see, there's only one way to avoid paying the 3-pool
> penalty for influencing out a second scarce vampire of one particular
> clan, and that's by clan impersonating the first scarce vamp. to
> another clan.
Though it's not technically "influencing out" another vampire, if you get one
out with the Soul Gem, you don't have to pay the penalty, IIRC.
Xian
Pepijn
> As far as I can see, there's only one way to avoid paying the 3-pool
> penalty for influencing out a second scarce vampire of one particular
> clan, and that's by clan impersonating the first scarce vamp. to
> another clan.
There is a second one:
Have a vampire with a high capacity burn him/her self while having a
soul gem of etrius, and have the next vampire in your crypt being
another scarce vampire of the same bloodline as present. The second
scarce vampire will not enter the controlled region from the
uncontrolled region (the crypt is not your uncontrolled region) so you
don't pay the additional 3 pool. It's a strange way around, but
legal..:)
Sten During
DJ.Mik wrote:
> As far as I can see, there's only one way to avoid paying the 3-pool
> penalty for influencing out a second scarce vampire of one particular
> clan, and that's by clan impersonating the first scarce vamp. to
> another clan.
>
There is also a 'legbiterish' way. You just need to have a ready Ravnos
as well as a ready vampire with superior Necromancy. Now you can play
Goodnight, Sweet Prince during your masterphase on your own crypt, pay
2 pool and then play Possession at superior. Cornercase? Sure. Worth
it? No way :)
Sten During
Wouter Kuyper
Bit of a side question, it's probably in the rules...
What happens in case of an Embrace? Are the small ones scarce?
(so sort of: is Scarcity part of the clan)
If it is, you are putting Scarce vamps in play, but are not paying the cost...
Wouter
LSJ
> What happens in case of an Embrace? Are the small ones scarce?
> (so sort of: is Scarcity part of the clan)
No. Even if they were, there would be no cost associated since you
aren't influencing them out (unless they somehow manage to get
Banished).
Nystulc
>> What happens in case of an Embrace? Are the small ones scarce?
>> (so sort of: is Scarcity part of the clan)
>
>No. Even if they were, there would be no cost associated since you
>aren't influencing them out (unless they somehow manage to get
>Banished).
They still "matter" of course, to the scarcity issue. If a Gangrel clan
impresonates a Salubri, and I then create 4 more Salubri via the embrace, I now
have 5 salubri in play without paying any penalty. However, if I then
influence out a scarce Salubri from my uncontrolled region, I must pay 15,
because of the 5 Salubri already in play.
LSJ
Of course. All same-clan vampires (scarce or not) are counted when a scarce
vampire is tranfered into play, per the rules.
vermillian
I've love to see a deck based on this...
Like
Influence out Grendel the Worm eater (or that one Nosferatu with the
looking at the top of my crypt ability), and another 7 capacity FoS
with Gem (so I can have the Towers in play). Sacrifice to the towers
and get out a free Nagaraja or something... use necromancy to get back
that equipment? Hmm... nope, doesn't work... all well. :)
~SV
Jon Stahler
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Sounds good, except you can't use Khobar Towers to trigger the soul gem
(removed from the game instead of burned). Damn those designers and their
correct wordings!!!
Jon Stahler
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> Nystulc wrote:
> >
> > >Wouter Kuyper wrote:
> > >> What happens in case of an Embrace? Are the small ones scarce?
> > >> (so sort of: is Scarcity part of the clan)
> > >
> > >No. Even if they were, there would be no cost associated since you
> > >aren't influencing them out (unless they somehow manage to get
> > >Banished).
> >
> > They still "matter" of course, to the scarcity issue. If a Gangrel clan
> > impresonates a Salubri, and I then create 4 more Salubri via the
embrace, I now
> > have 5 salubri in play without paying any penalty. However, if I then
> > influence out a scarce Salubri from my uncontrolled region, I must pay
15,
> > because of the 5 Salubri already in play.
>
> Of course. All same-clan vampires (scarce or not) are counted when a
scarce
> vampire is tranfered into play, per the rules.
>
prey's uncontrolled region that makes that vampire scarce. Hmm...another
uncontrolled region hoser like brainwash? Only have it not burnable?
vermillian
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> (removed from the game instead of burned). Damn those designers and their
> correct wordings!!!
So many sweet decks have been ruined by the words on cards. Grrr! :)
~SV
Halcyan 2
>> (removed from the game instead of burned). Damn those designers and their
>> correct wordings!!!
>
>So many sweet decks have been ruined by the words on cards. Grrr! :)
So many broken decks have been ruined by the words on cards. Hurrah! =P
Halcyan 2
legbiter
i do this all the time with my Brit-turbo deck [a variant of Matt
Rehlow's Baron-gets-the-soul-gem deck]. Just to fix ideas, here's how
it works:
The Baron has the soul gem. He is tapped, and on 1 blood. Le Dinh Tho
is in play. The Baron does an inferior force of will, modifying it
with daring the dawn if anyone has the temerity to block. He burns,
triggering the soul gem. If the next vampire is Kanimana Belghazi, i
don't have to pay 3 extra pool because i am NOT moving a scarce
vampire of a clan already in play from my uncontrolled to my
controlled region: i am moving a scarce vampire of a clan already in
play from the top of my crypt to my controlled region. Thus, the
scarce card text does not apply, and now i have two Nagarajas in play.
legbiter
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O, i dunno. The yet-unposted [ahem, read unconstructed/unplayed] post-FN
version of this deck has only big Ravnos and the equipment card which
gives one superior necromancy ... Sargon fragment, that's the one. Tap
your big guy to do the GNSP trick, bleed unblockably with Force of will,
Freak-drive, self-rescue, freak drive, equip the fragment, freak drive,
possess [add Ravnos stealth to taste]. About half the time you Redeem
the GNSP'd vampire's Lost Soul instead of bringing it out, and Ezmerelda
keeps leaving the game and donating 11 pool to you, too. You play Week
of nightmares with a strange insouciance when you are running this deck.
In principle that works quite sweetly, MANY fewer moving parts than the
old version [which i DID construct, but played only once ... and lost
with ... a thousand Bahs! to Hostile takeover and John Keech]. Of
course, this has nothing to do with scarce vampires ... Ravnos are as
common as muck ... but you are quite right, Sten, to say that
TECHNICALLY this would allow you to bring a second scarce vampire into
play without paying the three pool. Instead, you would pay 4 pool [2
GNSPs] and at least two actions ... REALLY not worth it.
For the other legbiterish [really Rehlowish] way to do this in a
worthwhile manner, see two other posts in this thread.
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