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Goatboy

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26 juin 2001, 16:59:1426/06/2001
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Just want some input. Is it to much trouble to put 2 Toreador
antitrbu's in a ravnos deck EX: jost werner with animalism or Lolita
with fortitude to be able to bring out goth bands. With a secret horde
or other counter master card couldn't it be a whole game of
nightmares??

James Coupe

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26 juin 2001, 17:03:3726/06/2001
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In message <79f7661c.01062...@posting.google.com>, Goatboy
<mstr...@accesscomm.ca> writes

You'd have to have someone else with a card out there with counters on
for it to work.

You cannot target a card you control with the (D) action provided by
Goth Band.

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XZealot

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26 juin 2001, 22:26:5826/06/2001
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James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:<gisY18Cp...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>...

> In message <79f7661c.01062...@posting.google.com>, Goatboy
> <mstr...@accesscomm.ca> writes
> >Just want some input. Is it to much trouble to put 2 Toreador
> >antitrbu's in a ravnos deck EX: jost werner with animalism or Lolita
> >with fortitude to be able to bring out goth bands. With a secret horde
> >or other counter master card couldn't it be a whole game of
> >nightmares??
>
> You'd have to have someone else with a card out there with counters on
> for it to work.
>
> You cannot target a card you control with the (D) action provided by
> Goth Band.

I got it!
You Trojan Horse Uriah Winter to a Ravnos. That way you can place
counters on him and more than likely another Methuselah will be
controlling him so now you can use the Goth Band to yank counters back
off of him to the Master Card "Week of Nightmares". Ethan! Noal!
this is screaming for newsletter attention.

Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr.
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp

James Coupe

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26 juin 2001, 22:32:0526/06/2001
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In message <82c154eb.01062...@posting.google.com>, XZealot
<X_Ze...@email.msn.com> writes

>You Trojan Horse Uriah Winter to a Ravnos.

+2 fun!

and +1 round of drinks, I feel, to drown your sorrows when you find out
that Goth Band couldn't target the nightmare counters on him, because he
isn't a master card. :(

Cameron

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27 juin 2001, 00:19:2627/06/2001
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James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:
> <X_Ze...@email.msn.com> writes
> >You Trojan Horse Uriah Winter to a Ravnos.
>
> +2 fun!
>
> and +1 round of drinks, I feel, to drown your sorrows when you find out
> that Goth Band couldn't target the nightmare counters on him, because he
> isn't a master card. :(

but, to make this totally rediculus, you could drop a coven, have
Dominique drop vandal counters on it, and gain back one counter a turn
from a goth band, I think. She even has FOR ani!! (and AUS/dom the
splash disciplines....)

Cameron

Derek Ray

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27 juin 2001, 01:14:3127/06/2001
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On 26 Jun 2001 21:19:26 -0700, orcao...@hotmail.com (Cameron)
wrote:

Coven's free, so goes away as soon as Dominique puts a vandal counter
on it.

-- Derek

Halcyan 2

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27 juin 2001, 01:26:0427/06/2001
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>>but, to make this totally rediculus, you could drop a coven, have
>>Dominique drop vandal counters on it, and gain back one counter a turn
>>from a goth band, I think. She even has FOR ani!! (and AUS/dom the
>>splash disciplines....)
>
>Coven's free, so goes away as soon as Dominique puts a vandal counter
>on it.

In addition, Goth Band only works on cards that use counters and their
appropriate counters (which was recently asked). So counters from extraneous
sources don't count as valid Goth Band material.

Halcyan 2

theventrue

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27 juin 2001, 02:04:0727/06/2001
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"Cameron" <orcao...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a1e26d99.01062...@posting.google.com...

um, how does Dominique put vandal counters on a non location card?


legbiter

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27 juin 2001, 05:03:5727/06/2001
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"theventrue" <chr...@comcen.com.au> wrote in message news:<3b39...@news.iprimus.com.au>...

i noticed that too. The best i can come up with is that you send
someone your hunting ground via Disputed Territory, put a counter on
it from Dominique, steal it back to the Week using Goth band. But if
you're doing this it would be better to use Palla Grande in a
!Toreador/Dominique deck, it seems to me.

Tom, Mad&Co

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27 juin 2001, 07:26:4927/06/2001
à
> You cannot target a card you control with the (D) action provided by
> Goth Band.
>

Yes, you can. LSJ stated about this before. If you play D action on
yourself, it becomes an undirected action. Want some examples? here they
are:

Diablerize one of your own torporized vampires
Use rampage at +1 stealth to burn one location you control


Yes, you can combo Dreams of the Sphix with Palla Grande. The Goth Band
keeps the party last a little longer!!!! It's too weak 'cause the Goth band
hasn't got any maneuver to keep himself alive, tehy only have 2 live and
they will become the #1 target from your prey... But they cost you solely an
Art Scam :P.

But even if you can use them only once, it's worth they cost.

Tom,Mad&Co
!Toreador martyr #1


LSJ

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27 juin 2001, 07:46:4427/06/2001
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"Tom, Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote:
>> You cannot target a card you control with the (D) action provided by
>> Goth Band.
>>
>
>Yes, you can. LSJ stated about this before. If you play D action on
>yourself, it becomes an undirected action. Want some examples? here they

That's true, but Goth Band's (errata'ed) card text disallows this:

Unique Ally with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed. As a +1 stealth (D)
action, the Goth Band may move one counter from any master card
controlled by another Methuselah to a master card you control that
uses counters. The counter is changed to a counter of the type
appropriate to the new card.

The errata was added to preserve the functionality of Goth Band, which
was designed back when the (D) symbol was errata'ed to prohibit
self-directing (and enabled omni-directing otherwise).


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Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Aaron

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27 juin 2001, 09:48:0027/06/2001
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halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote in message news:<20010627012604...@ng-cl1.aol.com>...

Since you are already giving them uriah winter...why not jut domain
challenge to give them one of those funky, counter generating
powerbases(madrid comes to mind) and steal them with goth band.

Aaron

XZealot

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27 juin 2001, 10:07:4727/06/2001
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orcao...@hotmail.com (Cameron) wrote in message news:<a1e26d99.01062...@posting.google.com>...

Don't Drop a coven. Drop a Powerbase:Mexico City. Disputed Location
it to your predator, either place vandal counters with Dominique or
steal all the pool off it with Dominique. The Goth Band can steal
either counters for your week of nightmares.

Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown Jr.

Cameron

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27 juin 2001, 19:49:5027/06/2001
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Ok, so that wasn't well thought out... doh! (<--- now proper english)
maybe there is a better way than disputed territorying something
though... can't figure out what it might be though. succubus club,
maybe, though a week of nightmares is a bit ally removing. A better
action may simply be to bring out a big ravnos towards the end of the
week, and reality back people likely to be burned. then just
influence them back out. although, that ends the week...hmmm... though
problem

Cameron

Halcyan 2

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27 juin 2001, 21:53:5827/06/2001
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>Ok, so that wasn't well thought out... doh! (<--- now proper english)

Even though "doh" is now officially an English word, I still don't think it's
exactly "proper" English. I think it's still too much along the lines of
"slang" as opposed to "civilized English." =)

Halcyan 2

Emmit Svenson

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28 juin 2001, 14:35:3828/06/2001
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My solution:

Put Succubus Club, Dreams of the Sphinx, Goth Band (Clan Impersonate a
Ravnos to an !Tor; burn the CI after recruiting GB) and Week of
Nightmares in play. Use SC to trade your grandpredator/grandprey ally
Dreams of the Sphinx and the SC. Steal a DoS counter and put it on
WoN. On your ally's turn (and every turn thereafter), trade SC, GB,
WoN and DoS between you so both of you can take turns tapping DoS and
moving its counters to WoN. In a four-player game this can keep both
WoN and DoS going until someone is ousted, and in a 5+ player game
both masters will stick around much longer, maybe long enough to oust
people down to 4. On the downside, your Ravnos will have LOTS of WoN
counters on them, so you'd better use Guard Duty on the SC and hold on
to some Sudden Reversals to keep others from contesting SC and DoS.

'Tis a pity I have no GBs or WoNs.

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