[LSJ]Illusion+amaranth

ProTeuZ

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Mar 31, 2004, 2:28:59 AM3/31/04

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Hi,

my Illusion of the Kindred diablerizes another vampire through
Amaranth, a bloodhunt is called and it is not in my favor :
A) does my illusion burn and goes to ash heap?
B) does my illusion burn and goes to ash heap and then is removed?
C) does my illusion simply remove from the game?
D) does my illusion remove before the bloodhunt (since the combat
would be ended)?

thanks in advance.

- ProTeuZ

Johannes Walch

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Mar 31, 2004, 2:50:13 AM3/31/04

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I would say the illusion is removed from the game because the card does not
state any conditions for removing it except for the end of the combat which
will inevitably come. Not sure about the exact timing (B-D) but that
doesn´t matter anyway, does it ?

johannes walch

LSJ

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Mar 31, 2004, 6:37:01 AM3/31/04

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A.
Google: "illusions amaranth author:LSJ"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3EB125F5.7050700%40white-wolf.com

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David Wilson

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Mar 31, 2004, 2:57:04 PM3/31/04

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LSJ,

> > my Illusion of the Kindred diablerizes another vampire through
> > Amaranth, a bloodhunt is called and it is not in my favor :
> > A) does my illusion burn and goes to ash heap?
> > B) does my illusion burn and goes to ash heap and then is removed?
> > C) does my illusion simply remove from the game?
> > D) does my illusion remove before the bloodhunt (since the combat
> > would be ended)?
>
> A.
> Google: "illusions amaranth author:LSJ"
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3EB125F5.7050700%40white-wolf.com
>

Illusions states that you remove the vampire from the game when combat ends.
It says nothing about where the vampire is located, ready region, etc, so
why is the answer not B?

Is the logic, the vampire is not in the ash heap, and therefore out of play
when combat ends, and is hence no longer affected by the Illusions?

Thanks,
David

Colin McGuigan

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Mar 31, 2004, 4:57:40 PM3/31/04

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David Wilson wrote:
> Illusions states that you remove the vampire from the game when combat ends.
> It says nothing about where the vampire is located, ready region, etc, so
> why is the answer not B?

Without explicit card text, cards can only affect other cards in the
ready region.

> Is the logic, the vampire is not in the ash heap, and therefore out of play
> when combat ends, and is hence no longer affected by the Illusions?

The logic is that Illusions doesn't have text saying it can affect cards
in the ash heap, so it can't.

--Colin McGuigan

LSJ

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Mar 31, 2004, 8:28:44 PM3/31/04

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Colin McGuigan wrote:
> David Wilson wrote:
>> Illusions states that you remove the vampire from the game when combat
>> ends.
>> It says nothing about where the vampire is located, ready region, etc, so
>> why is the answer not B?
>
> Without explicit card text, cards can only affect other cards in the
> ready region.

Actually, that is:

... can only affect controlled cards (cards in torpor are included by
default).

>> Is the logic, the vampire is not in the ash heap, and therefore out of
>> play
>> when combat ends, and is hence no longer affected by the Illusions?
>
> The logic is that Illusions doesn't have text saying it can affect cards
> in the ash heap, so it can't.

Correct.