Leila Monroe special vs. Fall of the Sabbat

[Joscha]

Is Leila Monroe able to use her special if Fall of the Sabbat is in
play?

I think no, because she cannot change an Anarch's sect to Sabbat as
there is no Sabbat anymore.

Leila Monroe
Clan: Lasombra
obt dom pre
Capacity: 4
Sabbat
Group: 4
Ability: Leila may change the sect of an anarch vampire with no blood
to Sabbat as a +1 stealth (D) action.

Fall of the Sabbat
Type(s): Event
Card Text:
Gehenna.
Do not replace as long as this card is in play. Requires at least
three other Gehenna cards in play. Not playable if any ready vampire
is Black Hand. There is no Sabbat. Any Sabbat vampire is considered
Independent instead.

[AcheronNi...@gmail.com]

in my meta fall of the sabbat is VERY hard to play (3 gehenna are not
problem - problem liest that i play hand decks almost elusive :P)

[Teeka]

IANLSJ, but I'd thiunk she could use her special, but the vampire
would simply revert back to independent immediately because of the
text "any Sabbat vampire is considered independent". Not sure though,
and I have no idea (supposing I'm right about using the special) if
the vampire would lose Anarch status or not.

[LSJ]

Yeah, she could take the action uselessly. The target remains Independent (and
Anarch).

[James Coupe]

In message <uSSJi.28605$eY....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, LSJ

<vte...@white-wolf.com> writes:
>Teeka wrote:
>> On 24 sep, 09:35, Joscha <joscha.du...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>> Is Leila Monroe able to use her special if Fall of the Sabbat is in
>>> play?
>

>Yeah, she could take the action uselessly. The target remains
>Independent (and Anarch).

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/649eb190472c3e6e
suggests that it wouldn't be entirely useless. When playing Into the
Fire after a Fall of the Sabbat, the target vampire's underlying sect
would become Sabbat, ready to snap back into life if the Fall leaves
play.

Would that be the case here?

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[LSJ]

James Coupe wrote:
> In message <uSSJi.28605$eY....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, LSJ
> <vte...@white-wolf.com> writes:
>> Teeka wrote:
>>> On 24 sep, 09:35, Joscha <joscha.du...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>> Is Leila Monroe able to use her special if Fall of the Sabbat is in
>>>> play?
>> Yeah, she could take the action uselessly. The target remains
>> Independent (and Anarch).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/649eb190472c3e6e
> suggests that it wouldn't be entirely useless. When playing Into the
> Fire after a Fall of the Sabbat, the target vampire's underlying sect
> would become Sabbat, ready to snap back into life if the Fall leaves
> play.
>
> Would that be the case here?

Sure. We have differing values of utility, I guess. :-)