LSJ-Hukros's special
XZealot
you may put on him during your untap phase, not how many you could keep
on him if you didn't play the last card you put on him during your last
untap phase.
If this is an unlimited storage annex then you could almost shoehorn
him in any deck that includes a wedge/module of discordant cards
specifically for him.
Is this the way his special works?
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
J
> you may put on him during your untap phase, not how many you could keep
> on him if you didn't play the last card you put on him during your last
> untap phase.
Beat me to the post.... I was just about to type this very question up.
---> J
Morgan Vening
>How many cards may Hukros have on him? His text only limits the amount
>you may put on him during your untap phase, not how many you could keep
>on him if you didn't play the last card you put on him during your last
>untap phase.
With nothing to the contrary, this would be unlimited (ie, all your
cards could concievably go on him, if the game went 93 rounds).
>If this is an unlimited storage annex then you could almost shoehorn
>him in any deck that includes a wedge/module of discordant cards
>specifically for him.
>
>Is this the way his special works?
I think you run into trouble with the last sentence.
Hukros
Clan: Gangrel antitribu (group 4)
Capacity: 10
Disciplines: ANI OBF PRO VIC abo cel
Sabbat: During your untap phase, you may move a card from your hand to
Hukros face down. You may look at the card at any time. ****Hukros
may**** play that card as if from your hand.
Compare with Mata Hari and Tatiana Stepanova, which both include the
words "You and she may...". To me Hukros reads that the cards must be
playable by him (ie, Action, ActMod, Reaction, Combat), and must be
played BY him.
But that brings up another query, though. I have Hukros and Duality in
play. My predator with Arika calls a PTO. Hukros plays his pre-placed
WWEF.
Question 1) Does WWEF's Do Not Replace reduce my hand size, causing me
to discard a card?
I then play a Cat's Guidance (Superior) from hand, for Hukros.
Question 2) Does this get replaced, or is my nominal hand size 6
because of the Wake?
Arika stealths past, and calls the vote on Duality. Vote passes,
Duality will burn. Duality plays Reform Body from my hand.
Question 3) I'm confused now. How many cards do I have in hand?
The WWEF replacement rule, and Hukros's special, seem to have
possibilities for conflict that I can't see a singular answer for.
Morgan Vening
sutekh_23
Morgan Vening wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 22:06:18 -0700, "XZealot" <xze...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >How many cards may Hukros have on him? His text only limits the amount
> >you may put on him during your untap phase, not how many you could keep
> >on him if you didn't play the last card you put on him during your last
> >untap phase.
>
> With nothing to the contrary, this would be unlimited (ie, all your
> cards could concievably go on him, if the game went 93 rounds).
>
That's the way I read it too. Of course as noted, only he can use the
cards "shoehorned" on to him.
> >If this is an unlimited storage annex then you could almost shoehorn
> >him in any deck that includes a wedge/module of discordant cards
> >specifically for him.
> >
> >Is this the way his special works?
>
> I think you run into trouble with the last sentence.
>
> Hukros
> Clan: Gangrel antitribu (group 4)
> Capacity: 10
> Disciplines: ANI OBF PRO VIC abo cel
> Sabbat: During your untap phase, you may move a card from your hand to
> Hukros face down. You may look at the card at any time. ****Hukros
> may**** play that card as if from your hand.
> But that brings up another query, though. I have Hukros and Duality in
> play. My predator with Arika calls a PTO. Hukros plays his pre-placed
> WWEF.
>
> Question 1) Does WWEF's Do Not Replace reduce my hand size, causing me
> to discard a card?
IANLSJ but, WWEF does not reduce your hand size it is merely not
replaced until your next untap phase. as it is not played from your
hand, I see no reaon for it too reduce your hand size. Only cards such
as the gehenna events have the "reduce hand size" text on them which
WWEF does not.
>
> I then play a Cat's Guidance (Superior) from hand, for Hukros.
>
> Question 2) Does this get replaced, or is my nominal hand size 6
> because of the Wake?
I'd say it gets replaced for the reason I mention above.
>
> Arika stealths past, and calls the vote on Duality. Vote passes,
> Duality will burn. Duality plays Reform Body from my hand.
>
> Question 3) I'm confused now. How many cards do I have in hand?
>
I'd still say 7 as per normal.
> The WWEF replacement rule, and Hukros's special, seem to have
> possibilities for conflict that I can't see a singular answer for.
>
IMHO, no conflict. WWEF doesn't implicitly reduce hand size, just the
timing on when it is replaced.
Sutekh_23
LSJ
> Morgan Vening wrote:
> > On 3 Oct 2006 22:06:18 -0700, "XZealot" <xze...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > >How many cards may Hukros have on him? His text only limits the amount
> > >you may put on him during your untap phase, not how many you could keep
> > >on him if you didn't play the last card you put on him during your last
> > >untap phase.
> >
> > With nothing to the contrary, this would be unlimited (ie, all your
> > cards could concievably go on him, if the game went 93 rounds).
>
> That's the way I read it too. Of course as noted, only he can use the
> cards "shoehorned" on to him.
Correct.
> > But that brings up another query, though. I have Hukros and Duality in
> > play. My predator with Arika calls a PTO. Hukros plays his pre-placed
> > WWEF.
> >
> > Question 1) Does WWEF's Do Not Replace reduce my hand size, causing me
> > to discard a card?
>
> IANLSJ but, WWEF does not reduce your hand size it is merely not
> replaced until your next untap phase. as it is not played from your
> hand, I see no reaon for it too reduce your hand size. Only cards such
> as the gehenna events have the "reduce hand size" text on them which
> WWEF does not.
Correct.
> > I then play a Cat's Guidance (Superior) from hand, for Hukros.
> >
> > Question 2) Does this get replaced, or is my nominal hand size 6
> > because of the Wake?
>
> I'd say it gets replaced for the reason I mention above.
Correct.
> > Arika stealths past, and calls the vote on Duality. Vote passes,
> > Duality will burn. Duality plays Reform Body from my hand.
> >
> > Question 3) I'm confused now. How many cards do I have in hand?
> >
> I'd still say 7 as per normal.
Correct.
> > The WWEF replacement rule, and Hukros's special, seem to have
> > possibilities for conflict that I can't see a singular answer for.
> >
> IMHO, no conflict. WWEF doesn't implicitly reduce hand size, just the
> timing on when it is replaced.
Correct.
The hand size bit is affected by cards that you are not currently
replacing, true. But WWEF isn't one of those cards (cards from Hukros's
stash, DNR clause or no, are not replaced at all. But they don't count
against your hand size).
gazgoblin
LSJ wrote:
> The hand size bit is affected by cards that you are not currently
> replacing, true. But WWEF isn't one of those cards (cards from Hukros's
> stash, DNR clause or no, are not replaced at all. But they don't count
> against your hand size).
I have another problem:
So if I play mirror walk (DNR until discard phase) then I use spirit
summoning chamber to get for example: another mirror walk.....
1, do I have to discard a card or its "fills" my handsize?
2, in my discard phase do I have to replace the mirror walk and then
discard a card (down to my handsize)?
thnx
Goblin
LSJ
> So if I play mirror walk (DNR until discard phase) then I use spirit
> summoning chamber to get for example: another mirror walk.....
>
> 1, do I have to discard a card or its "fills" my handsize?
Discard. [1.6.1.2]
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec1_6_1
> 2, in my discard phase do I have to replace the mirror walk and then
> discard a card (down to my handsize)?
Moot.
You simply draw the replacement (which then "fills" your hand size).
gazgoblin
thanks for the quick response.
Goblin
Frederick Scott
and Event cards. I gather he can't play these, only
appropriate minion cards.
Would it be futile to put any master cards on him,
for instance - other than to just get them out of your
hand?
I assume it would likewise be futile to put any
discipline-based minion cards on him for a discipline
he does not possess. (Unless and until he acquires
that discipline, I guess.)
Fred
Jozxyqk
> I'm confused about how Hukro's ability vis-a-vis Master
> and Event cards. I gather he can't play these, only
> appropriate minion cards.
> Would it be futile to put any master cards on him,
> for instance - other than to just get them out of your
> hand?
There's some strategic element to it, sort of.
For example, if your predator has an Erciyes Fragment,
you can put unusable-by-Hukros cards onto him instead of
discarding them, if you're worried about them being stolen.
But then, yeah, they're stuck there until Hukros burns and
they go to the ash heap.