Spiridonas' ability
Brian E. Wellington
The card text says:
"Once each turn, Spiridonas can burn X+2 blood to get +X bleed."
My question is, when is this declared? Does the Methuselah have
to say that Spiridonas is attempting to bleed for 8, or can he pay the
blood after the block has been declined? In other words, is bleeding for
+X the action, or is it modifying the bleed action?
Brian
L. Scott Johnson
It's modifying that minion's (Spiridonas's) bleed ability (almost the
same a modifying the bleed action, but his ability won't be passed
along if some other vampire uses Mask of a Thousand Faces).
You may burn the blood anytime, just like Conditioning (before or after
any or all block attempts).
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Shawn F. Carnes
Brian E. Wellington wrote:
>
> The card text says:
> "Once each turn, Spiridonas can burn X+2 blood to get +X bleed."
>
> My question is, when is this declared? Does the Methuselah have
> to say that Spiridonas is attempting to bleed for 8, or can he pay the
> blood after the block has been declined? In other words, is bleeding for
> +X the action, or is it modifying the bleed action?
LSJ's answer is correct. In addition, treat such abilities much in the
same way any Action Modifer is treated. Still, remember that it is not
an action modifier, per se. If that's too confusing, don't feel bad--it
makes my head hurt just thinking about it.
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L. Scott Johnson
"Shawn F. Carnes" <sw...@castle.wizards.com> writes:
>Brian E. Wellington wrote:
>>
>> The card text says:
>> "Once each turn, Spiridonas can burn X+2 blood to get +X bleed."
>>
>> My question is, when is this declared? Does the Methuselah have
>> to say that Spiridonas is attempting to bleed for 8, or can he pay the
>> blood after the block has been declined? In other words, is bleeding for
>> +X the action, or is it modifying the bleed action?
>LSJ's answer is correct. In addition, treat such abilities much in the
>same way any Action Modifer is treated. Still, remember that it is not
>an action modifier, per se. If that's too confusing, don't feel bad--it
>makes my head hurt just thinking about it.
Does that mean that Spiridonas can burn the blood, then Aggripina can
take ove the action with Mask1K and still get the boosted bleed?
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Shawn F. Carnes
L. Scott Johnson wrote:
> Does that mean that Spiridonas can burn the blood, then Aggripina can
> take ove the action with Mask1K and still get the boosted bleed?
Blech. I shall repeat that again. Blech. LSJ, you make my head hurt.
:)
I guess, now looking back on what I wrote, I need to reanalyze whether
Spiridonas' ability is an "action modifier". If it is in the textual
sense an "action modifier", then yes. Interesting question--gimme a
few hours on it.
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Shawn F. Carnes
> L. Scott Johnson wrote:
>
> > Does that mean that Spiridonas can burn the blood, then Aggripina can
> > take ove the action with Mask1K and still get the boosted bleed?
My ruling is yes. Mask takes over the action from where it left off, so
after Spiridonas uses his ability, the bleed is enhanced for Aggripina.
Nathan Harada
> Shawn F. Carnes wrote:
>
> > > L. Scott Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > Does that mean that Spiridonas can burn the blood, then Aggripina can
> > > take ove the action with Mask1K and still get the boosted bleed?
>
> My ruling is yes. Mask takes over the action from where it left off, so
> after Spiridonas uses his ability, the bleed is enhanced for Aggripina.
Cool. (Hey, Alec! I can too Mask Normal in after Spiridonas
burns all but one of his blood, then have Spiridonas Hospitality
himself.
It's official.)
Here's my question. Can I Heidelberg all the blood off my other
vampires as Spiridonas burns all his blood, then put the blood on
Spiridonas to burn more? Like this-I have Mariel(5 blood on her), Didi
(3 blood on her), and Spiridonas, about to burn all his blood (9 blood)
to fry my prey (12 pool). Spiridonas is through. As he burns his
blood,
I tap Heidelberg to pour some more blood from Mariel and Didi into him.
If the burn is continuous, it is possible.
Joe Helfrich
Shawn F. Carnes (sw...@castle.wizards.com) wrote:
: > L. Scott Johnson wrote:
: > > Does that mean that Spiridonas can burn the blood, then Aggripina can
: > > take ove the action with Mask1K and still get the boosted bleed?
:
: My ruling is yes. Mask takes over the action from where it left off, so
: after Spiridonas uses his ability, the bleed is enhanced for Aggripina.
Come ON, Shawn. Does Spirandonas's Pulse apply then too, even though
he's no longer doing the bleed? I thought cards like pulse and the
vampire card text and other permenant "+x bleed" affected that vampire's
base value and didn't count as action modifiers. If an action is masked
after Bassillia starts it, does the new vampire get aggrivated hand
damage???
Joe
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James Hamblin
> I thought cards like pulse and the
> vampire card text and other permenant "+x bleed" affected that vampire's
> base value and didn't count as action modifiers.
But Spiridonas doesn't have a permanent +x bleed. He has a kooky
ability that lets him increase his bleed on a particular action. Sounds
to me like it should work just like an action modifier, and I think
that's the reasoning behind Shawn's ruling.
James
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j...@dimensional.com (Joe Helfrich) wrote:
>Shawn F. Carnes (sw...@castle.wizards.com) wrote:
>: > L. Scott Johnson wrote:
>: > > Does that mean that Spiridonas can burn the blood, then Aggripina can
>: > > take ove the action with Mask1K and still get the boosted bleed?
>:
>: My ruling is yes. Mask takes over the action from where it left off, so
>: after Spiridonas uses his ability, the bleed is enhanced for Aggripina.
>
>Come ON, Shawn. Does Spirandonas's Pulse apply then too, even though
>vampire card text and other permenant "+x bleed" affected that
Not sure Spirodonas works that way, although it might be nice :-)
vampire's
>base value and didn't count as action modifiers. If an action is masked
>after Bassillia starts it, does the new vampire get aggrivated hand
>damage???
Wolf Claws wouldn't transfer through a Mask either. This seems to be
most consistent with the rest of the game
TJH
Dan Hollis
In article <4vo6s3$i...@quasar.dimensional.com>, j...@dimensional.com says...
>
>Shawn F. Carnes (sw...@castle.wizards.com) wrote:
>: My ruling is yes. Mask takes over the action from where it left off, so
>: after Spiridonas uses his ability, the bleed is enhanced for Aggripina.
>
>Come ON, Shawn. Does Spirandonas's Pulse apply then too, even though
>he's no longer doing the bleed? I thought cards like pulse and the
>base value and didn't count as action modifiers. If an action is masked
>after Bassillia starts it, does the new vampire get aggrivated hand
>damage???
>
I agree with you. Spirodonas is "burn X+2 blood to give spirodonas +X
bleed, right? (something like that). It's not "Spirdonas can burn X+2 blood
to bleed your prey at +X. If an Inner Circle bleeds, and a minion masks, does
the new bleeder get the +2 bleed? It's the same thing.
dan
Shawn F. Carnes
> But Spiridonas doesn't have a permanent +x bleed. He has a kooky
> ability that lets him increase his bleed on a particular action. Sounds
> to me like it should work just like an action modifier, and I think
> that's the reasoning behind Shawn's ruling.
Yup. (Thanks for the comment, but I should have been more clear. My
bad.) The bleed is NOT permanent, ergo it should be treated much like
the action modifier.
L. Scott Johnson
> Shawn F. Carnes wrote:
>
> > > L. Scott Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > Does that mean that Spiridonas can burn the blood, then Aggripina can
> > > take ove the action with Mask1K and still get the boosted bleed?
>
> after Spiridonas uses his ability, the bleed is enhanced for Aggripina.
The current rulings on Mask are as follows:
1. Action Modifiers carry over (Conditioning).
2. Inherent Modifiers do not carry over (Ozmo).
3. Card-on-minion effects do not transfer (Laptop).
4. Effects applied to the minion do not transfer (Backways).
5. Inherent actions cannot be Masked (Muddles's (D) attack).
6. A minion cannot Mask an action he is prohibited from taking (Talbot hunt).
Spiridonas' ability should fall under 2. or 4. (Probably 4, IMHO).
Are the six points I listed still official positions?
L. Scott Johnson
>> ability that lets him increase his bleed on a particular action. Sounds
>> to me like it should work just like an action modifier, and I think
>> that's the reasoning behind Shawn's ruling.
>Yup. (Thanks for the comment, but I should have been more clear. My
>bad.) The bleed is NOT permanent, ergo it should be treated much like
>the action modifier.
One more question to clear up this action modifier thing:
Most bleed-enhancing action modifiers state that you "cannot play another
action modifier to increase this bleed". Does this include Spir's
ability or not (since it is an action modifier, but not "played" in the
same way as most)?
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