[Spoilers] Gehenna card questions for LSJ
Emmit Svenson
convince my playgroup I’m not smoking crack like Peter Bajika.
:)
Scattershot
Combat
Only usable before resolution of a gun’s strike. This gun
inflicts +2 damage at close range and -2 damage at long range for the
remainder of this combat. No more than one ammo card can be used on a
gun each combat.
1) Can a minion in combat play Scattershot on an opposing
minion’s gun?
Virolax Facility
Master: Unique Location
When a vampire you control with capacity above 7 is burned, burn this
card and search your crypt for a vampire with capacity below 5. Place
that vampire in your ready region with one blood. That vampire cannot
act this turn.
2) Do you shuffle your crypt after retrieving the vampire?
3) If the vampire being burned has the Soul Gem of Etrius, are you
free to order the Gem’s effect and the Facility’s effect?
Soak
Combat, Fortitude
A vampire may play only one Soak each round.
[for] Prevent up to 2 non-aggravated damage.
[FOR] Prevent up to 4 non-aggravated damage.
4) Can a vampire who has played Skin of Night and taken aggravated
damage play Soak to prevent it?
5) If a vampire with Ex Nihilio who has played Skin of Night takes
aggravated damage, is the damage ignored?
Colin McGuigan
> 1) Can a minion in combat play Scattershot on an opposing
> minion’s gun?
For these first three, I'm just guessing, because IANLSJ, so this means
little, but I get to see if I'm right...
No.
> 2) Do you shuffle your crypt after retrieving the vampire?
Have to.
> 3) If the vampire being burned has the Soul Gem of Etrius, are you
> free to order the Gem’s effect and the Facility’s effect?
Yes.
For these last two, though, I am sure:
> 4) Can a vampire who has played Skin of Night and taken aggravated
> damage play Soak to prevent it?
No. The damage is still aggravated, even if the vamp treats it as
normal, and Soak cannot prevent aggravated damage. See also: Resilience
+ Skin of Night.
> 5) If a vampire with Ex Nihilio who has played Skin of Night takes
> aggravated damage, is the damage ignored?
Yes. The vampire treats the agg damage as normal, and normal damage is
ignored. See also: Elemental Stoicism + Ex Nihilo.
(Crucial text on Ex Nihilo: "and this vampire is immune to
non-aggravated damage", rather than, eg, "This card prevents all
non-aggravated damage")
--Colin McGuigan
LSJ
> 1) Can a minion in combat play Scattershot on an opposing
> minion’s gun?
No. [LSJ 25-APR-2002].
> Virolax Facility
> Master: Unique Location
> When a vampire you control with capacity above 7 is burned, burn this
> card and search your crypt for a vampire with capacity below 5. Place
> that vampire in your ready region with one blood. That vampire cannot
> act this turn.
>
> 2) Do you shuffle your crypt after retrieving the vampire?
Yes.
> 3) If the vampire being burned has the Soul Gem of Etrius, are you
> free to order the Gem’s effect and the Facility’s effect?
Yes. Not that it should matter much, unless you've some way to look at
the top card of your crypt beforehand.
> Soak
> Combat, Fortitude
> A vampire may play only one Soak each round.
> [for] Prevent up to 2 non-aggravated damage.
> [FOR] Prevent up to 4 non-aggravated damage.
>
> 4) Can a vampire who has played Skin of Night and taken aggravated
> damage play Soak to prevent it?
No. Soak cannot prevent aggravated damage, regardless of how the
minion will end up treating that unprevented damage.
> 5) If a vampire with Ex Nihilio who has played Skin of Night takes
> aggravated damage, is the damage ignored?
Yes. [LSJ 29-JAN-2001]
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Colin McGuigan
<some answers>
5 for 5 baby! I am BULLETPROOF!
--Colin McGuigan
Joshua Duffin
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> emmits...@hotmail.com (Emmit Svenson) wrote:
> > Virolax Facility
> > Master: Unique Location
> > When a vampire you control with capacity above 7 is burned, burn
this
> > card and search your crypt for a vampire with capacity below 5.
Place
> > that vampire in your ready region with one blood. That vampire
cannot
> > act this turn.
> >
> > 2) Do you shuffle your crypt after retrieving the vampire?
>
> Yes.
This is errata to the card, right? (Well, assuming that the text above
is correct and complete.) At least, it seems to have required errata
for the similar case of Coroner's Contact and Stranger Among Us: [LSJ
04-Mar-2002]
http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=3C83C979.413D0AE8%40white-wolf.com
> > 3) If the vampire being burned has the Soul Gem of Etrius, are you
> > free to order the Gem’s effect and the Facility’s
effect?
>
> Yes. Not that it should matter much, unless you've some way to look at
> the top card of your crypt beforehand.
Well, if your crypt contains relatively few vampires with capacity below
5, removing one of the "below 5" vamps before using the Soul Gem effect
should increase your odds of drawing a "worthwhile" vampire with the
Soul Gem (ie one that is still younger than the Soul Gem bearer but
otherwise as old and ability-laden as possible).
Oh, while we're on tangential matters, Pete Oh pointed this out: there
are some library cards where the title is so long that it covers up part
or all of the expansion symbol in the upper right corner... and it's not
an attractive effect. Church of the Order of St. Blaise, and
Neighborhood Watch Commander (Hunter), maybe more. Couldn't they have
shifted the expansion symbol a little bit down the card or something?
Ah well, maybe next time.
Josh
order of st bla?
John Flournoy
> LSJ wrote:
> <some answers>
>
> 5 for 5 baby! I am BULLETPROOF!
Statements like this could lead to tragic gunshot accidents, you know. :P
>
> --Colin McGuigan
-John Flournoy
Colin McGuigan
> Colin McGuigan <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote in message news:<LdWcnXP5idk...@speakeasy.net>...
>
> Statements like this could lead to tragic gunshot accidents, you know. :P
True, because the bullets may bounce off of my body and ricochet into
some bystander.
--Colin McGuigan
LSJ
> This is errata to the card, right? (Well, assuming that the text above
> is correct and complete.) At least, it seems to have required errata
> for the similar case of Coroner's Contact and Stranger Among Us: [LSJ
> 04-Mar-2002]
>
> http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=3C83C979.413D0AE8%40white-wolf.com
Yes.
And here's a better one: if an effect causes you to search your
library, shuffle it afterward. If an effect causes you to search
your crypt, shuffle it afterward. (errata to the rules).
Raille
"Colin McGuigan" <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote in message
Well historically several indiginous groups thought that special armor would
make them bullet proof.
The Apache did and look where it got them.
short story. No one is bullet proof, just some are luckier that others and
manage to avoid them from time to time.
Raille
A bullet with a name on it.
Colin McGuigan
> Well historically several indiginous groups thought that special armor would
> make them bullet proof.
> The Apache did and look where it got them.
You're thinking of the Sioux.
> short story. No one is bullet proof, just some are luckier that others and
> manage to avoid them from time to time.
Are you Canadian?
--Colin McGuigan
Raille
"Colin McGuigan" <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote in message
Nope, but I occasionally habg out with Wes.
Raille
Colin McGuigan
> "Colin McGuigan" <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote in message
>
> Nope, but I occasionally habg out with Wes.
Ok. Glad that's cleared up then.
--Colin McGuigan
arden mcbathan
> Raille wrote:
> > Well historically several indiginous groups thought that special armor would
> > make them bullet proof.
> > The Apache did and look where it got them.
>
> You're thinking of the Sioux.
well, they call themselves the (X)akota(X= D, L or N depending on
Dialect), whose Ghost Dance (which supposedly made them bulletproof)
actually *did* scare the U.S. Goverment...
Raille
"arden mcbathan" <sonnenk...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Colin McGuigan <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:<mpicnTT9B9v...@speakeasy.net>...
> > Raille wrote:
> > > Well historically several indiginous groups thought that special armor
would
> > > make them bullet proof.
> > > The Apache did and look where it got them.
> >
> > You're thinking of the Sioux.
>
> well, they call themselves the (X)akota(X= D, L or N depending on
> Dialect), whose Ghost Dance (which supposedly made them bulletproof)
> actually *did* scare the U.S. Goverment...
Like thats even hard to do. the U SGovt is scared of just about everything.
Raille
Colin McGuigan
> well, they call themselves the (X)akota(X= D, L or N depending on
> Dialect), whose Ghost Dance (which supposedly made them bulletproof)
> actually *did* scare the U.S. Goverment...
Till they got shot.
--Colin McGuigan
Chris Arthur
> Yes.
> And here's a better one: if an effect causes you to search your
> library, shuffle it afterward. If an effect causes you to search
> your crypt, shuffle it afterward. (errata to the rules).
I assume that doesn't apply to Tapestry of Blood which allows you to
merely look at the top three cards?
Chris.
JH
Tapestry of Blood isn't "searching your library". It's "looking at the
top three cards of any metuselah's library".
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Joshua Duffin
"JH" <jhatt...@SPAMtenerdoPLEASE.org> wrote in message
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[LSJ wrote]
> >> Yes.
> >> And here's a better one: if an effect causes you to search your
> >> library, shuffle it afterward. If an effect causes you to search
> >> your crypt, shuffle it afterward. (errata to the rules).
> >
> > I assume that doesn't apply to Tapestry of Blood which allows you to
> > merely look at the top three cards?
>
> Tapestry of Blood isn't "searching your library". It's "looking at the
> top three cards of any metuselah's library".
Right. Nonetheless, it might be clearer to phrase the errata to the
rules as: "If an effect causes you to search your library for a card,
shuffle it afterwards", etc. (ie, to make it more apparent what kind of
searching requires shuffling afterwards - though this is probably
dependent on all actual cards using an appropriate template for their
own phrasing.)
Josh
in search of lost pool
LSJ
> [LSJ wrote]
>>>>And here's a better one: if an effect causes you to search your
>>>>library, shuffle it afterward. If an effect causes you to search
>>>>your crypt, shuffle it afterward. (errata to the rules).
> rules as: "If an effect causes you to search your library for a card,
> shuffle it afterwards", etc. (ie, to make it more apparent what kind of
> searching requires shuffling afterwards - though this is probably
> dependent on all actual cards using an appropriate template for their
> own phrasing.)
There is nothing in your library other than cards, so the above
"clearer" seems to be a simple restatement, not a clarification (and
may actually lead some rules lawyers to ask about searching for
cards plural). There is no searching of the library that is not
searching for card(s).
Joshua Duffin
> Joshua Duffin wrote:
> > [LSJ wrote]
> >>>>And here's a better one: if an effect causes you to search your
> >>>>library, shuffle it afterward. If an effect causes you to search
> >>>>your crypt, shuffle it afterward. (errata to the rules).
> > Right. Nonetheless, it might be clearer to phrase the errata to the
> > rules as: "If an effect causes you to search your library for a
card,
> > shuffle it afterwards", etc. (ie, to make it more apparent what
kind of
> > searching requires shuffling afterwards - though this is probably
> > dependent on all actual cards using an appropriate template for
their
> > own phrasing.)
>
> There is nothing in your library other than cards, so the above
> "clearer" seems to be a simple restatement, not a clarification (and
> may actually lead some rules lawyers to ask about searching for
> cards plural). There is no searching of the library that is not
> searching for card(s).
Yeah, looking at it again it's probably not significantly clearer.
The errata to the rules seems to hinge on the keyword "search" (as
opposed to "look"). Maybe just mention that the effect must use the
word "search" to trigger the reshuffle? That is pretty obvious to me by
"if an effect causes you to search your library", but as I think we saw
in this thread, not necessarily obvious to everyone.
Josh
searching for a better card