[LSJ] Terror Frenzy and Chiropteran Marauder

[François]

Hello,

A vampire with superior vicissitude is under the effect of superior
Terror Frenzy, with 1 blood left.
If he plays superior Chiropteran Marauder, is he able to burn his blood
to inflict aggravated hand strikes before he loses it due to Terror
Frenzy ?

Thank you !

François

[Johannes Walch]

François wrote:

No. First he has to pay the cost of the card before he can use any effects.

--
johannes walch

[Johannes Walch]

Uh, oh. I just checked and discovered that Terror Frenzy has been reworded from cost to burn blood.
In that case I would rather say it´s possible.

[LSJ]

Yes.

[François]

Actually, it looks like I was guessing wrong as I went to the opposite
conclusion :

I thought that, since TF penalty applied when the card was played,
while CM had to wait for its resolution to allow to burn blood, CM's
burn blood occured after TF's. Where am I mistaken ?

By the way, if the Chiropteran was cancelled (e.g. via Direct
Intervention or Shape Mastery), does Terror Frenzy apply ?

(Terror Frenzy :
Only usable before range is determined. Opposing vampire burns an
additional blood when playing combat cards this combat. A vampire may
play only 1 Terror Frenzy at superior each combat.)

Thank you again !

François

[LSJ]

François wrote:
> LSJ wrote:
> > Johannes Walch wrote:
> > > Johannes Walch wrote:
> > > > François wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> A vampire with superior vicissitude is under the effect of superior
> > > >> Terror Frenzy, with 1 blood left.
> > > >> If he plays superior Chiropteran Marauder, is he able to burn his blood
> > > >> to inflict aggravated hand strikes before he loses it due to Terror
> > > >> Frenzy ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No. First he has to pay the cost of the card before he can use any effects.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > johannes walch
> > >
> > > Uh, oh. I just checked and discovered that Terror Frenzy has been reworded from cost to burn blood.
> > > In that case I would rather say it´s possible.
> >
> > Yes.
>
> Actually, it looks like I was guessing wrong as I went to the opposite
> conclusion :
>
> I thought that, since TF penalty applied when the card was played,
> while CM had to wait for its resolution to allow to burn blood, CM's
> burn blood occured after TF's. Where am I mistaken ?

Both are results of card play, applied when the card is played.
So they can be ordered as the player sees fit.

> By the way, if the Chiropteran was cancelled (e.g. via Direct
> Intervention or Shape Mastery), does Terror Frenzy apply ?

Yes. It was still played (and it was a combat card).

[RocketEddy]

LSJ wrote:
> > > > > François wrote:
> > > > >> A vampire with superior vicissitude is under the effect of superior
> > > > >> Terror Frenzy, with 1 blood left.
> > > > >> If he plays superior Chiropteran Marauder, is he able to burn his blood
> > > > >> to inflict aggravated hand strikes before he loses it due to Terror
> > > > >> Frenzy ?
>

> Both are results of card play, applied when the card is played.
> So they can be ordered as the player sees fit.
>

> > (Terror Frenzy :
> > Only usable before range is determined. Opposing vampire burns an
> > additional blood when playing combat cards this combat. A vampire may
> > play only 1 Terror Frenzy at superior each combat.)

Chiropteran Marauder
Type: Combat
Requires: Vicissitude
[vic] Maneuver.
[VIC] This vampire can pay one blood to make the damage from his or her
hand strikes aggravated for the current round.

So just to be sure I've got this right: according to LSJ, Terror Frenzy
will not stop a minion playing a card if they cannot burn a blood to do
so. Good to know :)

[LSJ]

RocketEddy wrote:
> So just to be sure I've got this right: according to LSJ, Terror Frenzy
> will not stop a minion playing a card if they cannot burn a blood to do
> so. Good to know :)

Correct. TF isn't burn a blood "to" play a card. It's burn a blood when
playing a card.