The Rising Q LSJ
librarian
Event
Gehenna. Do not replace until your prey is ousted.
Requires at least two other Gehenna cards in play. A Methuselah
cannot
gain pool during his or her own turn unless he or she has
the Edge or
at least one victory point. Any pool he or she would gain
goes to the
bank instead.
Draft: As above, but does not require two other Gehenna
cards in play.
Since the card texts are not yet up on the web site, I'm
cutting and pasting from another thread, hopefully all text
is correct.
Anyway, is blood on your uncontrolled vampires considered
pool or blood? I'm thinking pool, but I am not sure.
Thanks,
chris
LSJ
> The Rising
> Event
> Gehenna. Do not replace until your prey is ousted.
>
> Requires at least two other Gehenna cards in play. A Methuselah
> cannot
> gain pool during his or her own turn unless he or she has
> the Edge or
> at least one victory point. Any pool he or she would gain
> goes to the
> bank instead.
> Draft: As above, but does not require two other Gehenna
> cards in play.
>
> Since the card texts are not yet up on the web site, I'm
> cutting and pasting from another thread, hopefully all text
> is correct.
Attaboy.
> Anyway, is blood on your uncontrolled vampires considered
> pool or blood? I'm thinking pool, but I am not sure.
Blood. Pool are the things you count to see if you are ousted yet.
Oko
> On Feb 6, 12:24 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Rising
> > Event
> > Gehenna. Do not replace until your prey is ousted.
>
> > Requires at least two other Gehenna cards in play. A Methuselah
> > cannot
> > gain pool during his or her own turn unless he or she has
> > the Edge or
> > at least one victory point. Any pool he or she would gain
> > goes to the
> > bank instead.
> > Draft: As above, but does not require two other Gehenna
> > cards in play.
>
> > Since the card texts are not yet up on the web site, I'm
> > cutting and pasting from another thread, hopefully all text
> > is correct.
>
The Rising is in play.
Toy's controller is cheating and is attempting Off Kilter, with Toy.
His controller does not have the edge.
Provided the stupendously handsome and cleverwitted judge(?) is absent
at the time of this rampant cheating; Does Toy's controller gain pool,
or not?
Can the controller choose what happens during resolution, if there are
multiple effects, or are they going to resolve as written?
Also, what if the aforementioned judge never comes and now Toy's
controller sees his great big chance for glory, decides to untap Toy
and attempt Off Kilter again. With Toy. The bastard!
Now he obviously gains 1 pool, already having cheated his way into the
edge. But he also wants to burn his edge. Does he now gain another?
Meanwhile, his predator is holding a Parity Shift and is 1 pool up on
Toy's controller. Karmic payback.
Off Kilter
Action, Samedi, no cost
+1 stealth action
Gain 1 pool. If you do not have the Edge, you get the Edge. Otherwise,
you may burn the Edge to gain 1 additional pool.
Juggernaut1981
> On 6 helmi, 19:56, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 12:24 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote:
>
> > > The Rising
> > > Event
> > > Gehenna. Do not replace until your prey is ousted.
>
> > > Requires at least two other Gehenna cards in play. A Methuselah
> > > cannot
> > > gain pool during his or her own turn unless he or she has
> > > the Edge or
> > > at least one victory point. Any pool he or she would gain
> > > goes to the
> > > bank instead.
> > > Draft: As above, but does not require two other Gehenna
> > > cards in play.
>
> Action, Samedi, no cost
> +1 stealth action
> Gain 1 pool. If you do not have the Edge, you get the Edge. Otherwise,
> you may burn the Edge to gain 1 additional pool.
The Salubri using Off Kilter would complete the action. The 1 pool
gained heads straight to the blood bank. The Methuselah checks if
they have the edge, if not they get it.
My question would be: If you DO have the edge, and burn it for the
final sentence of Off Kilter, will The Rising neuter that last pool
gain because you now no longer own the edge?
LSJ
> My question would be: If you DO have the edge, and burn it for the
> final sentence of Off Kilter, will The Rising neuter that last pool
> gain because you now no longer own the edge?
Yes (unless you also have a VP already).
Vincent
If The Rising is in play, what happens to blood from uncontrolled
minions moved to the pool? I guess it burns, right?
floppyzedolfin
> The Rising
> Event
> Gehenna. Do not replace until your prey is ousted.
>
> Requires at least two other Gehenna cards in play. A Methuselah
> cannot
> gain pool during his or her own turn unless he or she has
> the Edge or
> at least one victory point. Any pool he or she would gain
> goes to the
> bank instead.
> Draft: As above, but does not require two other Gehenna
> cards in play.
>
> Since the card texts are not yet up on the web site, I'm
> cutting and pasting from another thread, hopefully all text
> is correct.
Does one get 1 VP and 6 pool or only 1 VP when one oust their first
prey with The Rising in play? (if not awarded a VP yet, of course)
The Lasombra
>If The Rising is in play, what happens to blood from uncontrolled
>minions moved to the pool? I guess it burns, right?
Would your pool total increase? Move the pool to the blood bank
instead (unless you have the Edge or a VP).
The Lasombra
>Does one get 1 VP and 6 pool or only 1 VP when one oust their first
>prey with The Rising in play? (if not awarded a VP yet, of course)
The Rising
Event
Gehenna. Do not replace until your prey is ousted.
Requires at least two other Gehenna cards in play. A Methuselah
cannot gain pool during his or her own turn unless he or she has
the Edge or at least one victory point. Any pool he or she would gain
goes to the bank instead.
If you don't have the Edge, you would only gain the VP, as gaining the
pool and the VP is simultaneous they aren't independent events.
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/
Section 9.1
"Along with a victory point, you gain six pool from the blood bank
when your prey is ousted. "
LSJ
Seems like a fine explanation, but most things in VTES are not
simultaneous (other than strike resolution effects). Like [7]'s "At
the end of your influence phase, any vampire in your uncontrolled
region with a number of blood counters on him equal to (or more than)
his capacity becomes controlled." If you have two such vampires, they
don't come out simultaneously.
Similarly for the package of "VP + 6 pool". You can say you have the
VP first and then the 6 pool (so that The Rising will leave you alone
about the the 6 pool gain). Or the other way around, if you need to
avoid gaining the six pool.
YY
> Seems like a fine explanation, but most things in VTES are not
> simultaneous (other than strike resolution effects). Like [7]'s "At
> the end of your influence phase, any vampire in your uncontrolled
> region with a number of blood counters on him equal to (or more than)
> his capacity becomes controlled." If you have two such vampires, they
> don't come out simultaneously.
>
> Similarly for the package of "VP + 6 pool". You can say you have the
> VP first and then the 6 pool (so that The Rising will leave you alone
> about the the 6 pool gain). Or the other way around, if you need to
> avoid gaining the six pool.
Does this hold true for The Unnamed's ability?
i.e. If the Unnamed bleeds while the Rising is in play can it's
controller choose to gain the edge before gaining the 2 pool, assuming
that he/she did not already have the edge prior to the successful
bleed?
Unofficial card text
The unnamed
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Baali
Group: 6
Capacity: 10
Discipline: CEL DAI OBF PRE PRO
Independent: The unnamed may strike: 2R aggravated damage as a strike
that costs 1 blood. If it successfully bleeds, you gain 2 pool.
Infernal.
floppyzedolfin
> On Feb 8, 11:07 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
> > Seems like a fine explanation, but most things in VTES are not
> > simultaneous (other than strike resolution effects). Like [7]'s "At
> > the end of your influence phase, any vampire in your uncontrolled
> > region with a number of blood counters on him equal to (or more than)
> > his capacity becomes controlled." If you have two such vampires, they
> > don't come out simultaneously.
>
> > Similarly for the package of "VP + 6 pool". You can say you have the
> > VP first and then the 6 pool (so that The Rising will leave you alone
> > about the the 6 pool gain). Or the other way around, if you need to
> > avoid gaining the six pool.
>
> Does this hold true for The Unnamed's ability?
>
> i.e. If the Unnamed bleeds while the Rising is in play can it's
> controller choose to gain the edge before gaining the 2 pool, assuming
> that he/she did not already have the edge prior to the successful
> bleed?
My guess is its controller doesn't get 2 pool from the Unnamed's
cardtext (if she didn't control the edge before the action, of
course), similarly to what happens with Kindred Spirits:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/3ee599d88db2e08d
LSJ
The difference is that Kindred Spirit's pool gain is part of the
action card's resolution. The unnamed's pool gain comes after gaining
the Edge.