(LSJ) Nergal questions
floppyzedolfin
a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1
blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the
action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of
the action card to 1 blood?
b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed
is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the
card to 1 blood?
c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal
burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance);
and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his
special for this turn ?
d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone
cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's
special "tainted" for the rest of the turn?
Thanks.
Nergal
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Baali
Group: 5
Capacity: 10
Discipline: AUS DAI FOR OBF PRE THA
Independent: Once each turn, Nergal may reduce the cost of a card he
plays by one blood. +2 bleed. Infernal.
Jozxyqk
> Hello,
Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos Carnival:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/1a0e0cfa83c42f7b/d3561d274f449d96
It should answer your questions like this:
> a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1
> blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the
> action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of
> the action card to 1 blood?
Yes.
> b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed
> is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the
> card to 1 blood?
Yes.
> c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal
> burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance);
> and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his
> special for this turn ?
No.
> d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone
> cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's
> special "tainted" for the rest of the turn?
No.
Jozxyqk
> Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos Carnival:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/1a0e0cfa83c42f7b/d3561d274f449d96
> > c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal
> > burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance);
> > and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his
> > special for this turn ?
> No.
Wait a minute, this one was a trick question.
The answer to this one is "Moot", since Nergal is forced to use his
special. It's not "tainted", because the action still resolves.
Jozxyqk
> > No.
Wait another minute.. ignore this "wait a minute" completely, as
I can't do math when I just woke up.
I wish there was a way to cancel usenet posts :)
The answer to this one is actually "I'm not sure but I think it's no".
Wilsoros
> blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the
> action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of
> the action card to 1 blood?
He does NOT have to use his ability, he can allow the action to fizzle
as he doesn't have enough blood to pay for it, similar to any other
vampire who no longer has the blood to pay for an action when it
resolves.
>
> b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed
> is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the
> card to 1 blood?
IANLSJ
You can't attempt an action unless you can pay for it, so he must
announce he is reducing the cost as it is announced.
>
> c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal
> burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance);
> and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his
> special for this turn ?
>
IANLSJ
He used his ability to reduce the cost as the action was announced,
his ability is used up already this turn.
> d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone
> cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's
> special "tainted" for the rest of the turn?
IANLSJ but I believe that DI and sudden refund all costs paid, as if
they didn't happen. Such as Vidal Jarbeaux could play Renegade Garou
and if it were DI'ed he didn't meat the Gangrel req yet this game.
Honestly I am a little fuzzy on this last one.
floppyzedolfin
> floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
>
> Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos Carnival:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t...
>
Yup, I read that one before asking all those Nergal questions.
> It should answer your questions like this:
>
> > a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1
> > blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the
> > action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of
> > the action card to 1 blood?
>
> Yes.
If "cost paid from somewhere else" and "reduce cost" work the same, I
actually read this http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/846ecc006ab0dba7
as a "No." to my question.
> > b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed
> > is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the
> > card to 1 blood?
>
> Yes.
Probably.
> > c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal
> > burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance);
> > and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his
> > special for this turn ?
>
> No.
Hm. Don't know about that one. Had the action cost 1 blood, he would
have had to use his special (per b/).
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/298cfbad07d1bc67
seems to indicate he uses the special as he announces the action.
> > d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone
> > cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's
> > special "tainted" for the rest of the turn?
>
> No.
The only "almost-related" link I could find was this one :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/8a1193221154922a
I also found this one, which is... well... seems to go in another
direction (reduce cost before DI rather than when paying for card) :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/fa36cf89dfdfc07f
Juggernaut1981
> On 17 oct, 12:52, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
>
> > floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello,
>
> > Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos Carnival:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t...
>
> Yup, I read that one before asking all those Nergal questions.
>
> > It should answer your questions like this:
>
> > > a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1
> > > blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the
> > > action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of
> > > the action card to 1 blood?
>
> > Yes.
>
> If "cost paid from somewhere else" and "reduce cost" work the same, I
> as a "No." to my question.
>
> > > b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed
> > > is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the
> > > card to 1 blood?
>
> > Yes.
>
> Probably.
>
> > > c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal
> > > burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance);
> > > and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his
> > > special for this turn ?
>
> > No.
>
> Hm. Don't know about that one. Had the action cost 1 blood, he would
> seems to indicate he uses the special as he announces the action.
>
> > > d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone
> > > cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's
> > > special "tainted" for the rest of the turn?
>
> > No.
>
>
> I also found this one, which is... well... seems to go in another
However, Nergal doesn't have to engage his ability until a card
resolves that requires blood payment. So until you "have to pay"
Nergal can wait and not use his text.
LSJ
> On 17 oct, 12:52, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
>> floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>> Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos Carnival:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t...
>
> Yup, I read that one before asking all those Nergal questions.
>
>> It should answer your questions like this:
>>
>>> a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1
>>> blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the
>>> action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of
>>> the action card to 1 blood?
>> Yes.
>
> If "cost paid from somewhere else" and "reduce cost" work the same, I
> actually read this http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/846ecc006ab0dba7
> as a "No." to my question.
Correct ("No").
>>> b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed
>>> is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the
>>> card to 1 blood?
>> Yes.
>
> Probably.
Correct (and also per the link you gave above).
>>> c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal
>>> burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance);
>>> and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his
>>> special for this turn ?
>> No.
>
> Hm. Don't know about that one. Had the action cost 1 blood, he would
> have had to use his special (per b/).
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/298cfbad07d1bc67
> seems to indicate he uses the special as he announces the action.
"No" is correct. He hasn't used his special.
>>> d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone
>>> cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's
>>> special "tainted" for the rest of the turn?
>> No.
>
> The only "almost-related" link I could find was this one :
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/8a1193221154922a
>
> I also found this one, which is... well... seems to go in another
> direction (reduce cost before DI rather than when paying for card) :
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/fa36cf89dfdfc07f
"No" is correct.
floppyzedolfin
Someone (else) came up with this one :
Nergal plays Exile (cost: 2 blood) while on 1 blood. Can Nergal play
Elder Impersonation (cost: 1 blood) during this action?
I think he can, since when wants to play Elder Imp, he hasn't used his
special for the turn yet.
LSJ
I guess the real question would be: "what sort of mechanism would make the
answer no?"