LSJ: 2 Q's

[GymNat1]

can you put a secure haven master card on a vampire in torpor?

let's say a vamp has taken 4 points of damage in the first round and then plays
a Kraken's Kiss in the second. Does he immediately go to torpor for having
taken more than 3 points of damage in the combat as per KK card text?

thanks....Nat

[James Coupe]

In message <20010610121522...@ng-cg1.aol.com>, GymNat1
<gym...@aol.com> writes

>can you put a secure haven master card on a vampire in torpor?

Yes. It only burns when they enter torpor, and there is no requirement
to play it on a ready vampire.

>let's say a vamp has taken 4 points of damage in the first round and then plays
>a Kraken's Kiss in the second. Does he immediately go to torpor for having
>taken more than 3 points of damage in the combat as per KK card text?

By card text, I can see no other interpretation.

There might be an argument that that was part of the resolution of the
strike. (Like burning blood for Majesty etc.)

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[LSJ]

James Coupe wrote:
>
> In message <20010610121522...@ng-cg1.aol.com>, GymNat1
> <gym...@aol.com> writes
> >can you put a secure haven master card on a vampire in torpor?
>
> Yes. It only burns when they enter torpor, and there is no requirement
> to play it on a ready vampire.

Correct.

> >let's say a vamp has taken 4 points of damage in the first round and then plays
> >a Kraken's Kiss in the second. Does he immediately go to torpor for having
> >taken more than 3 points of damage in the combat as per KK card text?
>
> By card text, I can see no other interpretation.

Like Faceless Nights, the key is in the verb tense - past damage (and past
blockers)
aren't counted. The vampire who plays Kraken's Kiss need only concern
himself with
damage done at the same resolution step and later in the combat.

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