Quick Question: Grandest Trick
Jon Stahler
the Grandest Trick that it will burn immediately?
LSJ
>
> Am I correct in assuming that if a Kiasyd Vampire with only two blood plays
> the Grandest Trick that it will burn immediately?
Yes, an ally with zero life is burned immediately.
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Jon Stahler
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> Jon Stahler wrote:
> >
> > Am I correct in assuming that if a Kiasyd Vampire with only two blood
plays
> > the Grandest Trick that it will burn immediately?
>
> Yes, an ally with zero life is burned immediately.
>
happen after the action completes or anything silly like that.
As a side note, what actions would be useful for this card to be played
under? You could bleed, I guess...and political actions...actions to burn
things, etc. Just don't see any need to horde these cards as one or two
would most likely do the job just fine.
Reyda
"Jon Stahler" <sta...@ilir.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> > Jon Stahler wrote:
> > >
> > > Am I correct in assuming that if a Kiasyd Vampire with only two blood
> plays
> > > the Grandest Trick that it will burn immediately?
> >
> > Yes, an ally with zero life is burned immediately.
> >
> Cool. Just wanted to make sure there were no rules stating that it would
> happen after the action completes or anything silly like that.
>
> As a side note, what actions would be useful for this card to be played
> under?
Okay listen up ;)
Mind rape someone else's vampire. Nex turn the raped vamp plays clan
impersonation Kiyasid. Then Tap Heidelberg to let him at two blood. Untap
him with precognizant mobility. Raped Kiyasid now plays Grandest trick for,
say, one small trick =) poof !
reyda
Halcyan 2
>under? You could bleed,
Bleeding is fine if you have inherent bleed (Julia), Laptops, or you use
Computer Hackings.
>I guess...and political actions
Hmmm...
In general you can't do political actions since most of them require vampires.
Also, generally, allies cannot perform political actions (Herald and Charming
Lobby excepted).
BTW: Just curious, but can an ally have a title? So, while Marconius is a
mortal, is he still Archbishop? Similarly, if a Kiasyd is contesting a title
and he plays Grandest Trick, does he yield?
>actions to burn
>things, etc.
Useful. Gets past all those nasty interceptors.
Halcyan 2
LSJ
> >I guess...and political actions
> In general you can't do political actions since most of them require vampires.
Allies cannot call referendums, right.
> BTW: Just curious, but can an ally have a title? So, while Marconius is a
> mortal, is he still Archbishop? Similarly, if a Kiasyd is contesting a title
> and he plays Grandest Trick, does he yield?
No and no.
Yielding only happens during the untap phase.
Chris Berger
"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >As a side note, what actions would be useful for this card to be played
> >under? You could bleed,
>
> Bleeding is fine if you have inherent bleed (Julia), Laptops, or you use
> Computer Hackings.
>
declares the bleed, and then she no longer has "blood" to burn for her ability. Not
that I'm arguing with your general point.
> BTW: Just curious, but can an ally have a title? So, while Marconius is a
> mortal, is he still Archbishop? Similarly, if a Kiasyd is contesting a title
> and he plays Grandest Trick, does he yield?
>
I don't think that allies can belong to a sect, so he would probably lose his title,
if for no other reason than he is no longer Sabbat. I'm not sure what would happen
if Kephamos CI'd to Kiasyd and used TGT. Not that it would matter... they can't call
a vote with it, so their votes would be useless. A Sabbat or Cam title might be
usable to play certain cards, but the only cards that require a "titled" vampire are
votes.
The only way I can think of where the votes would matter would be if the TGT'd
Kephamos bled, then Zebulon Masks and is blocked. During the resulting combat,
Zebulon plays Wolf Claws, and Amaranth when the opposing vampire goes to torpor.
(The necessary cards being TGT, Mask of 1K Faces, and Amaranth, with a blocker going
to torpor.) In this case, I have no idea if Kephamos has votes, or whether he could
use them if he had them. (There was a recent ruling on whether allies can vote if
they have any votes, but I forget which way it went. It's so corner case that it
really doesn't matter, though.)
Jon Stahler
> >under? You could bleed,
>
> Bleeding is fine if you have inherent bleed (Julia), Laptops, or you use
> Computer Hackings.
You can't use Julia's special as you can't burn a blood (its now life).
Xian
> Computer Hackings.
Or Pulse. Mmmmm...Pulse.
Xian
The Nosferatu Stuff
"Chris Berger" <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> The only way I can think of where the votes would matter would be if the
TGT'd
> Kephamos bled, then Zebulon Masks and is blocked. During the resulting
combat,
> Zebulon plays Wolf Claws, and Amaranth when the opposing vampire goes to
torpor.
> (The necessary cards being TGT, Mask of 1K Faces, and Amaranth, with a
blocker going
> to torpor.) In this case, I have no idea if Kephamos has votes, or
whether he could
> use them if he had them. (There was a recent ruling on whether allies can
vote if
> they have any votes, but I forget which way it went. It's so corner case
that it
> really doesn't matter, though.)
Can't do that. Zebulon cannot mask into a grandest trick action, since he
cannot legally play all the action modifiers on the action, namely the
grandest trick. I guess if they were both clan impersonated you could. But
as soon as Zeb plays the mask Kephamos is no longer the acting minion and
reverts to being a vampire(card text on grandest trick refers to the "acting
vampire" only)
--
Aaron
The Nosferatu Stuff
Halcyan 2
>> Computer Hackings.
>
>Or Pulse. Mmmmm...Pulse.
Um...that's what I meant. Yeah, that's it! =P
Halcyan 2
Henrik Isaksson
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> skrev i
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> Jon Stahler wrote:
> >
> > Am I correct in assuming that if a Kiasyd Vampire with only two blood
plays
> > the Grandest Trick that it will burn immediately?
>
> Yes, an ally with zero life is burned immediately.
>
If the Kiasyd with two blood has a Soul Gem when playing TGT, what happens?
--
Henrik Isaksson
LSJ
> If the Kiasyd with two blood has a Soul Gem when playing TGT, what happens?
He burns. Allies don't trigger Soul Gem.
Henrik Isaksson
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> skrev i
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> Henrik Isaksson wrote:
> > If the Kiasyd with two blood has a Soul Gem when playing TGT, what
happens?
>
> He burns. Allies don't trigger Soul Gem.
>
> --
Do you mean that it's not triggered at all?
Quite interesting with the Soul Gem vs. allies actually. Even if an ally
holds it when burn, the "draw <the top> card from your crypt" should happen,
as no requirement for being a vampire can be seen there. What happens to
that vampire after that is confusing. The "If the new vampire is
younger"clause can't kick in as the ally has no capacity, which should lead
to that the new vampire is placed in the uncontrolled region. Correct?
Soul Gem of Etrius [Jyhad, V:TES]
Cardtype: Equipment
Cost: {none}
Unique equipment.
If bearer is burned, draw <the top> card from your crypt. If the new vampire
is younger, vampire comes into play <with blood from the blood bank equal to
his capacity> and inherits the Soul Gem; otherwise, place the vampire in
your uncontrolled <region> and burn this card. If bearer is diablerized,
{the diablerizing vampire cannot take the Gem}.
--
Henrik Isaksson
LSJ
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> skrev i
> > Henrik Isaksson wrote:
> > > If the Kiasyd with two blood has a Soul Gem when playing TGT, what
> happens?
> > He burns. Allies don't trigger Soul Gem.
>
That's what I meant - I remembered a Tom Wylie ruling to that effect.
But I can't fing any support for that now, so...
> Quite interesting with the Soul Gem vs. allies actually. Even if an ally
> holds it when burn, the "draw <the top> card from your crypt" should happen,
> as no requirement for being a vampire can be seen there. What happens to
> that vampire after that is confusing. The "If the new vampire is
> younger"clause can't kick in as the ally has no capacity, which should lead
> to that the new vampire is placed in the uncontrolled region. Correct?
Correct.