[LSJ] Liaison

[Pat]

This situation has come up in a JOL game.

Cooper has Rise of the Nephtali in play. Danny Larkshill takes the action to
become Liaison, which is currently held by a younger vampire. Ta da, Danny
is Liaison.

Then Cooper is ousted, removing Rise of the Nephtali from the game.

What happens to Danny's title?

A) He retains it and the associated 4 votes forever, since no one else can
take the action to steal it.

B) He retains it, but it's worth no votes. (Like Anneke when the Camarilla
has fallen.)

C) It goes away, since no effect in play defines the title of Liaison any
longer.

D) Something else I haven't thought of.

I don't think there's any practical difference between B & C, but they seem
like slightly different outcomes, so maybe it's worth considering the two
possibilities.

If D, pls explain the "something else." :)

I'm thinking (C) but would appreciate confirmation.

TIA,
Pat

[Fred Scott]

"Pat" <patrick.l...@comcast.nyetspam.net> wrote in message
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> This situation has come up in a JOL game.
>
> Cooper has Rise of the Nephtali in play. Danny Larkshill takes the action to
> become Liaison, which is currently held by a younger vampire. Ta da, Danny
> is Liaison.
>
> Then Cooper is ousted, removing Rise of the Nephtali from the game.
>
> What happens to Danny's title?
>
> A) He retains it and the associated 4 votes forever, since no one else can
> take the action to steal it.

I believe this is the answer. The event card defines the action. But the
action creates a permanent cardless effect and says nothing about requiring
the event card to be in play in order to continue to exist.

In theory you could play the RotN, take the Laison title, and use one of
your Black Hand vampires to burn the RotN with Black Hand Ritual, thus
securing the title permanently. For what it's worth.

Fred

[Wouter...@yahoo.com]

Pat wrote:
> This situation has come up in a JOL game.
>
> Cooper has Rise of the Nephtali in play. Danny Larkshill takes the action to
> become Liaison, which is currently held by a younger vampire. Ta da, Danny
> is Liaison.
>
> Then Cooper is ousted, removing Rise of the Nephtali from the game.

Hey, i am not ousted YET!

:-)

though at 1 pool,...fishing for one of the 5 Beckett who were ALL on
bottom of my crypt,...
I will be ousted next turn if nothing strange happens
:-)
W

[Wouter...@yahoo.com]

For some reason i dont see the option to start a new thread, so i am
sorry to get in this one...

I have another question. How does Khobar Towers work with Reanimated
Corpse?
W

[Gregory Stuart Pettigrew]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Pat wrote:

> This situation has come up in a JOL game.
>
> Cooper has Rise of the Nephtali in play. Danny Larkshill takes the action to
> become Liaison, which is currently held by a younger vampire. Ta da, Danny
> is Liaison.
>
> Then Cooper is ousted, removing Rise of the Nephtali from the game.
>
> What happens to Danny's title?
>
> A) He retains it and the associated 4 votes forever, since no one else can
> take the action to steal it.
>

A is correct, unless the LoB rules update for cards that grant titles
affects Rise of the Nephtali.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/ae189d310831601d?dmode=source&hl=en

--
- Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

[Gregory Stuart Pettigrew]

I would say that X defaults to 0. You would gain 0 pool.

What newsreader are you using?

[LSJ]

Fred Scott wrote:
> "Pat" <patrick.l...@comcast.nyetspam.net> wrote in message

>>Cooper has Rise of the Nephtali in play. Danny Larkshill takes the action to
>>become Liaison, which is currently held by a younger vampire. Ta da, Danny
>>is Liaison.
>>
>>Then Cooper is ousted, removing Rise of the Nephtali from the game.
>>What happens to Danny's title?
>>
>>A) He retains it and the associated 4 votes forever, since no one else can
>>take the action to steal it.
>
> I believe this is the answer. The event card defines the action. But the
> action creates a permanent cardless effect and says nothing about requiring
> the event card to be in play in order to continue to exist.

Correct.

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[LSJ]

Wouter...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have another question. How does Khobar Towers work with Reanimated
> Corpse?

It works just fine.
The X for Khobar is the X (blood cost) of the Corpse.

[Gregory Stuart Pettigrew]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, LSJ wrote:

> Wouter...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I have another question. How does Khobar Towers work with Reanimated
>> Corpse?
>
> It works just fine.
> The X for Khobar is the X (blood cost) of the Corpse.
>

So if I play a Reanimated Corpse for 5 blood, Khobar Towers will burn it
for 5 pool?

Likewise, would Vagabond Mystic treat a hypothetical Giant Rats ally
(costs X blood, has X life) brought into play for 5 blood as having "5" as
its "starting life"?

[Wouter...@yahoo.com]

i am reading and writing via the google group. I know it's not the best
way, but i dont feel like working out how something else
works,...sorry,
W

[Wouter...@yahoo.com]

Wouterkuy...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have another question. How does Khobar Towers work with Reanimated
> Corpse?

LSJ wrote:
It works just fine.
The X for Khobar is the X (blood cost) of the Corpse.

Ok. That's great. I got some funny deckplans.

But for normal playing isnt that a bit annoying? I mean, then we have
to remember how much x was, just because Khobar could hit the table?

W

[Pat]

<Wouter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Pat wrote:
>> This situation has come up in a JOL game.
>>
>> Cooper has Rise of the Nephtali in play. Danny Larkshill takes the action
>> to
>> become Liaison, which is currently held by a younger vampire. Ta da,
>> Danny
>> is Liaison.
>>
>> Then Cooper is ousted, removing Rise of the Nephtali from the game.
>
> Hey, i am not ousted YET!
>

It was a purely hypothetical comment! You're going to come back and sweep, I
know it!

> :-)
>
> though at 1 pool,...fishing for one of the 5 Beckett who were ALL on
> bottom of my crypt,...
> I will be ousted next turn if nothing strange happens
> :-)
> W
>

Yeah, you were pretty hosed by the crypt draw. :(

- Pat

[Pat]

"Fred Scott" <nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote in message
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> "Pat" <patrick.l...@comcast.nyetspam.net> wrote in message
> news:U4idnZ4Y5rM3Zhje...@comcast.com...
>> This situation has come up in a JOL game.
>>
>> Cooper has Rise of the Nephtali in play. Danny Larkshill takes the action
>> to
>> become Liaison, which is currently held by a younger vampire. Ta da,
>> Danny
>> is Liaison.
>>
>> Then Cooper is ousted, removing Rise of the Nephtali from the game.
>>
>> What happens to Danny's title?
>>
>> A) He retains it and the associated 4 votes forever, since no one else
>> can
>> take the action to steal it.
>
> I believe this is the answer. The event card defines the action. But the
> action creates a permanent cardless effect and says nothing about
> requiring
> the event card to be in play in order to continue to exist.
>

Based on this post:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/ae189d310831601d

you appear to be correct.

I'm still trying to understand why that's the case, since no card in play
defines the title any more.

I guess it's comparable to how Praxes and Crusades work, where you don't
technically put the card on the vampire, they just get the tile, even though
the card's now in an ash heap.

- Pat

[James Coupe]

In message <TLednRHII-j...@comcast.com>, Pat <patrick.lusk.nospa

m...@comcast.nyetspam.net> writes:
>I'm still trying to understand why that's the case, since no card in play
>defines the title any more.

There's a parallel cards not in play still defining what they defined -
Sabbat Threat and Vampiric Disease.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/b9fc15f
cf4a42d62

Now, these use counters, but the title has been given and nothing has
taken it away, so you could reasonably extend the ruling that a defined
title is still defined even when the defining card isn't there.

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[LSJ]

Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, LSJ wrote:
>> Wouter...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> I have another question. How does Khobar Towers work with Reanimated
>>> Corpse?
>>
>> It works just fine.
>> The X for Khobar is the X (blood cost) of the Corpse.
>
> So if I play a Reanimated Corpse for 5 blood, Khobar Towers will burn it
> for 5 pool?

Yes.

> Likewise, would Vagabond Mystic treat a hypothetical Giant Rats ally
> (costs X blood, has X life) brought into play for 5 blood as having "5"
> as its "starting life"?

Sure.