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Afke Kuyper

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Dec 11, 2009, 8:32:21 AM12/11/09
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I was wondering; does cardtext from Carlton prohibit him from playing
the "dodge" card in second round of combat, if he used his inbuilt
strike doedge in the first round?

relevant cardtext:
"Carlton can strike for 1R damage, and he may dodge as a strike once
each combat."

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Blooded Sand

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Dec 11, 2009, 8:49:00 AM12/11/09
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yup. he can only dodge ONCE per combat. So his second strike in a
single combat (press/TTracking) will be for 1r.

Blooded Sand

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Dec 11, 2009, 8:50:16 AM12/11/09
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Sorry, misread question.
His innate card text allows him a dodge once per combat. He is free to
use and then another source of dodge, or use another source of dodge
instead of his innate dodge. The card text is not a limiter, but an
enabler

LSJ

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:11:58 AM12/11/09
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Correct.

And a vampire with Rutor's Hand can also play Freak Drive.
And Fatima may play Disguised Weapon after using her innate ability.
And Nakhthorheb may play Majesty to untap.
And so on.

Afke Kuyper

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:26:19 AM12/11/09
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Thx. I couldnt imagine it was indeed so.
But how do i see that in the text? Probably my English isnt good
enough for understanding the use of "may"?
Or is there something else i am missing?
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LSJ

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:36:54 AM12/11/09
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That depends. Do you have the same question with Rutor's, Fatima, and Nakhthorheb?

If no: then it's just a matter of having looked at Carlton's text too long and
having your mind play word tricks on you.

If yes: then it's a matter of the ambiguity of the English, which in this case
is solved by context. For this game, a restriction would have to be worded more
explicitly: "Carlton may not dodge more than once each combat" or somesuch (Web
of Knives, Inverary, Dive into Madness, e.g.).

Afke Kuyper

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:51:17 AM12/11/09
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Had i thought about Rutors, Fatima and Nakthor, i would probably have
had the same problems :-)
Thx for your replies,
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Daneel

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Dec 11, 2009, 12:08:25 PM12/11/09
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No - it enables him to dodge as a strike based on his own card text once
per combat. He is free to tap any other means of dodging and generate
other "Strike: Dodge" effects (e.g. by using the card "Dodge") as are
other minions without an inherent Dodge ability.

--
Regards,

Daneel

Juggernaut1981

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Dec 13, 2009, 5:11:59 PM12/13/09
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"Once per X" is different to "Only once per X" in VTES, but the
difference is not great in general English.

Only Once per X limits it to only once, never again from whatever
source.
Once per X is to limit a special ability of a minion or card. e.g.
Eze the Demon Prince, Nakhtoreb, Rutor's Hand, Forced March @[CEL]
[FOR]

Hopefully that helps make sense of things for you.

LSJ

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Dec 13, 2009, 5:22:48 PM12/13/09
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Not by much. They seem have the same meaning in VTES.

>but the
> difference is not great in general English.
>
> Only Once per X limits it to only once, never again from whatever
> source.

Not quite. It would depend on the context. See Black Gloves (doesn't provide
blanket damage protection when the bearer is striking with them -- it only means
that Black Gloves won't damage their bearer more than once each combat.

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