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xcver

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May 16, 2008, 7:39:30 AM5/16/08
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What I, up to this point, don't understand is why we cannot get
limited tournaments like pre-releases or even post-releases (like with
TR now) rated.

The playtester argument seems so hairstrung to me...how much
playtesters are there (worldwide) and were are they located?

Peter D Bakija

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May 16, 2008, 7:56:04 AM5/16/08
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On May 16, 7:39 am, xcver <xc...@xcver.com> wrote:
> The playtester argument seems so hairstrung to me...how much
> playtesters are there (worldwide) and were are they located?

It is a legitimate argument--people who are playtesters have (at the
very least) pre-knowledge of the cards in play (at least in theory),
giving them (again, in theory) a significant advantage in a limited
draft game.

As to how many and where they are? It is impossible to know. They all
sign NDAs (non disclosure agreements) and aren't allowed to discuss
playtesting for 18 months.

-Peter

xcver

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May 16, 2008, 8:04:47 AM5/16/08
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Well the release tournies could be given a low K value in order not to
affect ratings too much. I'm just asking because an Experience I have
made with doing MTG tournaments is that if it will be rated more
people will want to play and I don't think they will care about the
handful of playtesters worlwide that could gain a bit of an advantage
there.

devil_in_the_p...@yahoo.com

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May 16, 2008, 10:34:12 AM5/16/08
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Doesn't WotC only allow 1 store per state to run a sanctioned pre-
release tournament?

Frederick Scott

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May 16, 2008, 11:08:46 AM5/16/08
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<devil_in_the_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Doesn't WotC only allow 1 store per state to run a sanctioned pre-
> release tournament?

Huh? Like, one store in all of California, northern and southern?
But if I ran one in Rhode Island, it'd be fine to run another one
next door in Connecticut?

No, I don't think I've seen any rules like that.

Fred


devil_in_the_p...@yahoo.com

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May 16, 2008, 12:02:07 PM5/16/08
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I 100% admit I hate M:tG, so I don't keep up with it. I just hear
things here and there from vtes players who also play magic. That was
one of the things I heard.

Rehlow

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May 16, 2008, 1:10:56 PM5/16/08
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If it has a low K value so it won't have much of an effect on ratings
how different is that from no effect on ratings?

In MTG your rating means something (it can qualify you for some
tournaments). In VTES your rating is bragging rights. I am more
interested in bragging about winning a prerelease (rated or not) than
bragging about how awesome my rating is after the prerelease I was in.

I think my limited rating is hovering around 14, so doing well at a
rated prerelease might get me into the Top 10. I still don't care that
it won't be rated, because that rating doesn't mean anything. I'd say
I am an "ok to good, not great" limited player. Playing lots of
limited has done more for my rating than my skill and that is enough
to almost get me into the Top 10.

Later,
~Rehlow

librarian

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May 16, 2008, 7:09:42 PM5/16/08
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devil_in_the_p...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Doesn't WotC only allow 1 store per state to run a sanctioned pre-
> release tournament?


Typically, it's one pre-release per "region". South New England,
Southern California, etc.

Most of the pre-release organizers (PTOs) are *not* store owners. Some
are. This is actually a huge bone of contention to most retailers.
They complain about not getting MTG pre-releases.

Yet they keep ordering it and having it.

On the other hand, WW provides a nice release day kit, that has to
specifically be purchased through a retailer (whether the Lasombra or
otherwise); yet most B&M retailers don't carry it.

What's that social phenomenon called?

best -

chris

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Frederick Scott

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May 16, 2008, 9:36:58 PM5/16/08
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"librarian" <auct...@superfuncards.com> wrote in message
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> devil_in_the_p...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Doesn't WotC only allow 1 store per state to run a sanctioned pre-
>> release tournament?
>
> Typically, it's one pre-release per "region". South New England, Southern California, etc.

Huh? It's the first I've heard of this. Where are you getting this
information, Chris? AFAIK, any prince can run a pre-release and I
would be surprised, as the Prince of Phoenix, to get my sanction
rejected because the Prince of Tucson had already set something up.

Fred


The Lasombra

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May 16, 2008, 10:27:17 PM5/16/08
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On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:36:58 -0700, "Frederick Scott"
<nos...@no.spam.dot.com> wrote:

>"librarian" <auct...@superfuncards.com> wrote in message
>news:ZuoXj.29867$Fc1....@newsfe07.phx...
>> devil_in_the_p...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Doesn't WotC only allow 1 store per state to run a sanctioned pre-
>>> release tournament?
>>
>> Typically, it's one pre-release per "region". South New England, Southern California, etc.
>
>Huh? It's the first I've heard of this. Where are you getting this
>information, Chris?

They are talking about Magic, the Gathering.

Notice the reference to WOTC.


Screaming Vermillian

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May 17, 2008, 12:10:02 AM5/17/08
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I don't even think they can discuss not being able to discuss it for
18months (well, at least not for 18 months.)

librarian

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May 17, 2008, 12:51:30 AM5/17/08
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MTG, not VTES.

xcver

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May 19, 2008, 6:15:33 AM5/19/08
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On 17 Mai, 01:09, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote:

> devil_in_the_pale_moon_li...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Doesn't WotC only allow 1 store per state to run a sanctioned pre-
> > release tournament?
>
> Typically, it's one pre-release per "region".  South New England,
> Southern California, etc.

That's how it is handled in the US?

In germany there are sanctioned pre-releases in cities only 15 km afar
in the same state...

gpett...@gmail.com

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May 19, 2008, 12:42:17 PM5/19/08
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On May 16, 7:39 am, xcver <xc...@xcver.com> wrote:

A better question is : Of the people who are going to show up to a
given prerelease, how many are playtesters? Is it fair to give the
only playtester in town an advantage? Is it fair to give the only non-
playtester in town a disadvantage?

--
- Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

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