[Question] Catatonic Fear and Target Vitals
felipechewbacca
Can I play Target Vitals with Catatonic Fear?
And with Oubliette?
Thanks,
Felipe.
LSJ
> Can I play Target Vitals with Catatonic Fear?
Yes. Google: "Vitals Catatonic author:LSJ"
> And with Oubliette?
Yes, but it won't do anything, since Oubliette does no damage (so none will be
"successfully inflicted", as Target Vitals requires).
XZealot
Incidentally, you can play the Target Cards with any strike, but they
only add damage/take effect if you actually inflict damage.
> Can I play Target Vitals with Catatonic Fear?
Yes, it will do the additional damage
> And with Oubliette?
If you are askind does it do additiional damage when you play Target
Vitals with Oubliette , then No, Oubliette doesn't do damage
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
adam....@gmail.com
So that means Target Vitals does nothing with Steal Blood cards (theft
of vitae).
Side question: How does Target Head work with steal blood cards?
Steal blood strike cards "damage" happens first... but then +2 is
added on later?
PaulW...@gmail.com
wrote:
Since stealing blood isn't actually damage (you cannot go to torpor
from a theft if vitae) nothing will happen. You will just steal the
amount of blood as indicate on the card and you have flushed a target
vitals without effect.
LSJ
>> Steal blood strike cards "damage" happens first... but then +2 is
>> added on later?
>
> Since stealing blood isn't actually damage (you cannot go to torpor
> from a theft if vitae) nothing will happen. You will just steal the
> amount of blood as indicate on the card and you have flushed a target
> vitals without effect.
While that's a good answer for Target Vitals on steal blood strikes, the point
of Target Head ("The strike does +2 damage") with steal blood strikes is more
direct: adding damage to a strike that doesn't deal damage has no effect.
Lucky Blow + Rowan Ring = go to torpor (no damage)
Target Head + Theft of Vitae superior = steal 2 blood (no damage)
adam....@gmail.com
So if i'm preventing I only have to prevent the strike damage to zero,
then the target Head as no effect.
Likewise if I am making a strike for zero damage (hand str for 0,
blood rage against weapon, inferior Mayaparisatya).
Hmmm... this leads to another question. Winged second plus target
cards.
Winged Second states "In that combat, this minion may make a hand or
melee weapon strike..."
So that means I can play 2 Aim cards, since two different minions are
fighting at the same time?
LSJ
> On Feb 26, 1:43 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>> PaulWigg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Feb 26, 5:23 pm, "adam.hu...@gmail.com" <adam.hu...@gmail.com>
>>>> Side question: How does Target Head work with steal blood cards?
>>>> Steal blood strike cards "damage" happens first... but then +2 is
>>>> added on later?
>>> Since stealing blood isn't actually damage (you cannot go to torpor
>>> from a theft if vitae) nothing will happen. You will just steal the
>>> amount of blood as indicate on the card and you have flushed a target
>>> vitals without effect.
>> While that's a good answer for Target Vitals on steal blood strikes, the point
>> of Target Head ("The strike does +2 damage") with steal blood strikes is more
>> direct: adding damage to a strike that doesn't deal damage has no effect.
>>
>> Lucky Blow + Rowan Ring = go to torpor (no damage)
>> Target Head + Theft of Vitae superior = steal 2 blood (no damage)
>
> So if i'm preventing I only have to prevent the strike damage to zero,
> then the target Head as no effect.
No (although that would be true for Target Vitals).
An uncanceled Target Head always adds two damage to the selected
(damage-dealing) strike.
Card text (quoted above): "The strike does +2 damage".
So Target Head's damage-dealing strike is at +2 damage. Moreover if any of the
damage from the strike (the base damage or the damage added by Target Head) is
successfully inflicted, then there is an additional effect (" If any damage from
this strike is successfully inflicted on the opposing minion, he or she cannot
use any additional strikes or presses this round, and you may set the range for
the next round.")
> Likewise if I am making a strike for zero damage (hand str for 0,
> blood rage against weapon, inferior Mayaparisatya).
No.
A hand strike is a damage-dealing strike. So if a minion has a strength of zero
and uses Target Head with his hand strike, that strike will be at 2 damage.
Just like that 0-strength minion using Lucky Blow would deal 1 damage.
Blood Rage and Mayaparisatya each will thwart the additional damage (and the
dependent effect), sure, but that's not quite the same thing as saying Target
Head has no effect.
> Hmmm... this leads to another question. Winged second plus target
> cards.
> Winged Second states "In that combat, this minion may make a hand or
> melee weapon strike..."
>
> So that means I can play 2 Aim cards, since two different minions are
> fighting at the same time?
No. The Winged Second cannot play aim cards.
Daneel
>> Hmmm... this leads to another question. Winged second plus target
>> cards.
>> Winged Second states "In that combat, this minion may make a hand or
>> melee weapon strike..."
>>
>> So that means I can play 2 Aim cards, since two different minions are
>> fighting at the same time?
>
> No. The Winged Second cannot play aim cards.
Why not? Both "play when choosing a strike" and a "minion may play only
one aim each strike" seem to be met...
Target Vitals [LotN:U]
Cardtype: Combat
Aim. Play when choosing a strike.
If any damage from this strike is successfully inflicted on the opposing
minion, he or she takes an additional 2 damage from this strike, and he or
she cannot press this round. The opposing minion may discard two combat
cards [COMBAT] to cancel this card. A minion may play only one aim each
strike.
--
Regards,
Daneel
James Coupe
writes:
>On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:24:45 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
>>> Hmmm... this leads to another question. Winged second plus target
>>> cards.
>>> Winged Second states "In that combat, this minion may make a hand or
>>> melee weapon strike..."
>>>
>>> So that means I can play 2 Aim cards, since two different minions are
>>> fighting at the same time?
>>
>> No. The Winged Second cannot play aim cards.
>
>Why not? Both "play when choosing a strike" and a "minion may play only
>one aim each strike" seem to be met...
The Winged Second isn't in combat. Combat cards can only be played by
combatants.
The Winged Second can play a strike card by explicit text on WS; it says
nothing about aim cards or, similarly, Ammo cards.
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Daneel
> In message <opt7b70u...@news.chello.hu>, Daneel <dan...@eposta.hu>
> writes:
>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:24:45 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Hmmm... this leads to another question. Winged second plus target
>>>> cards.
>>>> Winged Second states "In that combat, this minion may make a hand or
>>>> melee weapon strike..."
>>>>
>>>> So that means I can play 2 Aim cards, since two different minions are
>>>> fighting at the same time?
>>>
>>> No. The Winged Second cannot play aim cards.
>>
>> Why not? Both "play when choosing a strike" and a "minion may play only
>> one aim each strike" seem to be met...
>
> The Winged Second isn't in combat. Combat cards can only be played by
> combatants.
>
> The Winged Second can play a strike card by explicit text on WS; it says
> nothing about aim cards or, similarly, Ammo cards.
Good point. It would be intuitive to me that if you can use a strike you
can also use any other effect that modifies a strike. Parallel probably
the wake-type cards - like how you can use them anytime you can use a
reaction effect. I'd expect the same logic here.
There is a specific counter-example coming into my mind, though, regarding
combat and damage prevention, specifically.
--
Regards,
Daneel